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Oh goodness, 34 pages. Can you summarise a little, Waxit? So some might say, does that refer to the then Israel, or to the "spiritual Israel" meaning all believers now? You need to look at (if you don't mind the expression) The "heart behind it." Work six days, have a rest and spend time with your family. God knows it's important to have periodic rests. He also knows it's important to keep family structures together (heck, he invented "family") and all hanging out together, eating together, is important for family cohesion and family values (one of which would be respecting the Lord). Equally, however, there are some that did not "keep the Sabbath" on the "Sabbath day." These would include those working in the temple - all the Levites and other officials. We don't know when their "day of rest" would be; perhaps the day before, though that's off topic here. Exodus 31:

So Skyrider, do you want to start a new "Open Letter to Vern Edwards" now? New broom sweeps clean, and all that. Yeah, right.

Oh ho! I checked on their website this morning. This is what it says: Board of Directors Rev. Rosalie F. Rivenbark, Chairman Rev. Vern Edwards Rev. Bill Greene Rev. John Rupp So - JY out, Vern in. Bad choice, Vern.

I'll join you for that tea, George. Well, I went to church this morning. Online church. Those necessary recorded their parts - prayers, notices, songs, and of course sermon (very good, encouraging - we have a great new vicar) - and there's a chat box at the side where the congregation can log in and greet others, and another more private chat box for those who want prayer. It works really well, there's still a real sense of community and shared worship, and yet personal succour.

Salvation is generally nowadays considered to be a process, rather than some one-time event like suddenly having a can of white paint tipped over you.

George, I forget myself. Draw up a chair (keeping your physical distance) and have a coffee and a bite to eat with the other Café patrons. You too, Waxit.

Well, he certainly missed the bit that said, Thou shalt not steal. Because that's exactly what he founded his "ministry" on - a stolen Bible-teaching class. But of course, doncha know, the "ten commandments don't apply now" which means that it's perfectly okay to make idols (like TWI, and like its Timothy statues teach wrong things about God, thus taking him and his name in vain work the congregation to sleepwalking ability disrespect parents specifically and family and friends in general cause the deaths and physical injury of hundreds if not thousands of other people (not to mention the mental injury of likely thousands) sleep with someone else's wife nick other people's goods, money and abilities slander inflicted on many who chose not to believe him or to leave TWI build his personal empire in emulation of those he perceived to be powerful I think the only one he agreed with was, Thou Shalt have no other gods before me" - except that he'd replaced himself as God. Just in case you've forgotten what the 10Cs are, here's a list. There are actually a jolly sight more commandments, but these are the basics as dictated to Moses.

Very true, "social distancing" is a weird expression. Some people, mostly young adult males, not obviously family groups, are still walking about very close together. Strange how quickly that has become quite indecent.

Hi George. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we've met, long long ago. Gartmore, Birminghamor possibly London?

Welcome, George It took 40 years to discover what "normal" churches have been teaching for decades? You have taken the time to study non-TWI related materials, haven't you? There are really good Jewish-interpretation sites, NT-Greek sites, and various reputable commentaries. I looked at your website but not at the articles you included. You've probably made more of an effort than VPW did, for sure; he chose what he thought he could easily palm off as his own, and what he could use to browbeat others. But - - is unlikely to be a fair reflection of genuine study on his part. Rather, he collected snippets, jigsaw pieces as you describe them, that suited his own agenda. He didn't match the completed jigsaw to the picture on the box, but rather fitted the jigsaw pieces together as a small child might, ramming them into approximate places. 2 Tim 4:3 seems apposite. Here's the Berean Study Bible version: For the time will come when men [VPW] will not tolerate sound doctrine [walked away from established church], but with itching ears they [VPW] will gather around themselves teachers [even respected theologians] to suit their own desires [and so to found his own "ministry" to give place to his lusts].

Hey, you could ask him: https://www.peterwade.com/wades/?v=79cba1185463 You'll see a nod to TWI in his bio.

Gabriel! Check your private messages.

WW, Rocky sent the text to me in pvt msg. Hence my thanks to him.

Thanks for that, Rocky. A fine tribute to a troubled young woman.

I can't access the document (in UK). I'm so sorry for this young woman - and her family. I wonder if this news has reached Barnard; and if so, whether he accepts that it was his behaviour, his abuse, that pushed her over the edge - even all these years later. Whether he accepts that or not - he killed her. I'm glad that she got the opportunity to see him put behind bars where he can't hurt any other young women.

indeed!!

There's a recognised "Anglican Communion" (and the Church of England = Anglican) sort-of coordinates it all. I wonder if these "American Anglican" churches are affiliated? No time to check out now, but it sounds a bit scammy to me - sounds like something it should be, but in fact might be something different. As you say, Can see why VPW might be in awe of him. Perhaps he was following a model that had worked for Pillai.

Wow! And then - oh no, not Vern. I remember him as being a really nice chap, decent, open-hearted. I don't know how "aware" he would have been when I knew him. And living in Columbus away from HQ might mean he knows less now than others might. Don't do it to him, Rosie. Don't corrupt another decent man.

"We can't change the past, Jack; what we can do is choose how we move forward." Isn't life fabulously good when you're free in your head!!!

After TWI through me out most ignominiously, I was desperate and really felt I didn't belong anywhere. I was living in another country with no friends (they'd all been Wayfers) and no family. Happily I'd lived in the other country long enough to qualify to apply for naturalisation. But "belonging" really helped in my slow recovery.

I know that, WW, that's why I asked if newbies had information. What you (and I) know is decades out of date; I don't doubt that he's aware of the background and has to some extent colluded in what was going on.

That would be mostly newbies, who could answer this, if whisper ever got out at HQ.

Just to bring this slightly back on track: Does anyone have any tales of JYdeL assaulting women?

Definitely prophecy ("forthtelling or foretelling") at work!