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ALL I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU NOW, WAXIT, IS YOUR APOLOGY FOR YOUR RUDENESS. DON'T BOTHER OTHERWISE. DON'T QUOTE ME. NOTHING.

What the heck has that got to do with this "sabbath" stuff? Do you think I condone adultery? You know what I've said personally to you; we had a long conversation about it. You know I told you about all sorts of that stuff that had been going on both at HQ and elsewhere. You know how appalled I was. You know that I was being groomed for this, too. Stop making out that you are holier than holy, and I'm some sort of ---- I don't know what. I have been patient with you. I am now beginning to get quite riled. Any more of your insults and I will feel tempted to reply to you in terms that GSC's filters would screen out. I'm not going to write any more now - the steam coming out of my ears is obscuring my sight.

Oh Waxit. Please read!!!! And stop being nasty, and making snarky remarks. Please. It's not endearing. I'm quite willing to agree with you that Jesus Christ is the "goal" of the law. Its "purpose," as you now say. I said that earlier. We all need to develop our relationship with Jesus, the Christ, the Redeemer, King, Saviour. You are the one who wants "chapter and verse." You are the one who wants the scripture slug-fest. You are the one who persists in a view not common here, so you are the one who needs to support it in face of many verses which appear to present something different.

No, Waxit, you are not answering. And you are not accepting either my, or other people's, points of view. I asked, in my longer post yesterday, a few things that I genuinely did want to know. But you can't or won't answer that. Anyway - as I said. Fine. End of.

As you'll be aware, Waxit, the "10Cs" are expanded in the following chapters of Exodus. I wonder about your take on two things. One of these is this (and the other is completely unrelated to sabbath-keeping, so not mentioned here): BUT the following is a quote

It's not a scripture slug-fest, Waxit. That's a very TWI-thing ("I know better scriptures than you do"). And don't indulge in adding words in your own PI. I (and many others) have stated a different view, which you cannot accept. Fine. End of. It's not even what scriptures one knows - it's the ones one acts upon, puts into practice, that matter. And you cannot see the entire outworking of my faith - but the Lord does - and those who have eyes to see, do.

The one I have asked you at least four times. And others have asked you also. You can either: admit you don't bother to read threads in sufficient detail, and therefore request me to post the question again; or You can read the entire thread, find the question, and answer it.

From what I gather, Donna certainly helps Rosalie make her bed - and lie in it. LOL!

A little off topic, this, but seems reasonably relevant to where the discussion is currently. A version of this was in my Inbox this evg; I chose this one because the words are also shown:

By the same token, I ask that you don't avoid or ignore the question I asked YOU four times already - and others have also asked the same. You answer first. Go ahead. Succinctly. In your own words. After all, this is what you also recently said: So, answer :)

Waxit said: You said that. I say: we are TO GET TO KNOW JESUS, THE CHRIST. Waxit, do you consider you know Jesus, the Christ? Or do you just know a book about him? And if you consider that you know Jesus, why are you dissing those who also say they know Jesus - but think differently? You're the only one who has real knowledge? Everyone else knows a false Jesus, maybe? Do give that some serious thought. Be not quick to judge others... (now where have I read that? (rhetorical question)).

I haven't fallen out with you, Waxit. But I (and many others here) would prefer that you be brief and to the point, and address questions asked of you in simple manner. I'm still waiting... well, no, I don't expect you to answer now.

Is this what you're looking for, T-Bone? https://www.amazon.com/Holman-CSB-The-Passion-Bible/dp/1586401688/ref=sr_1_21?crid=1SU0DXIIF7CSD&dchild=1&keywords=the+passion+bible&qid=1589841430&sprefix=the+passion+%2Caps%2C231&sr=8-21 Been around for quite a long time, and is both OT and NT. First (c) 1999. Very readable, good footnotes. Various other notes and tables at the end. I note there's something else around called "The Passion Translation" - don't know if it's also published by Holman - different sort of logo on the "Passion" name.

Gabe. There is no need to be sarcastic. I have already told you, personally, that I am really busy at the present time. I have stated my own view and understanding on the current topic, several times, succinctly. You may find it helpful to read what others including myself have written, to gain understanding. Please don't think that by your many words and protestations you are convincing anyone. Quite the contrary. You would do much better if you answered questions put to you (of which, genuine answers are there few) and said, succinctly, in few words, what it is you feel you need to say. The tone of your posts is regrettably rather show-offish and it appears you think you, and you alone, have all the Bible knowledge and understanding, together with comprehensive understanding of some version of Greek, and the rest of us here have no knowledge or understanding, and are not entitled to any view at all. You think we are completely wrong. It may be that you are completely wrong, however. Time and again, people have presented thoughtful study against your own view, and you have dismissed them. That's not honest on your part.

Like your post, T-Bone. My "Passion Bible" (HCSB) gives Rom 10: as this: Reading through to the end of this section of Romans, I'm really happy that "No one who believes on Him (or, on God) will be put to shame" (HSCB, quoting Is 28:16, rather than believing in some laws given to a different group of people in a different time. It seems easier to believe on God, on Jesus, on the direct promises of salvation. And then, our actions and good deeds flow as an outworking of our faith, our believing on Him (James 2, among other places). Our actions and good deeds might include sabbath-keeping, among other things; having a rest from our worldly work, setting aside those things for fellowship with God and God's people - very worthwhile, to set aside "A" day, any day, to do this.

Right. The goal of the law is to get to know Jesus, the Christ. Get to know the Man, the King, the Shepherd, the Redeemer. The goal of the law IS NOT to get to observe any specific day, or time, or season. We are to do as Jesus did, in heart, soul, mind, and strength. That means: loving and obeying God. And then, loving our neighbours (=those around us, those we come into contact with). It doesn't mean: following all the ritual that Jesus followed, and much of which he poo-poo'd.

That is a very powerful poem at the start of Simon's talk, isn't it! Yes. Get out there and DO - don't just talk (or think) about doing. Love this, T-Bone: … the lawyer and every single one of us.

A bit maybe, but this chapter of James was discussed in my church's talk (sermon) on Sunday last. Simon, who gives the talk, definitely puts his actions into what his mouth says. The reading (by one of the children in the congregation) starts at about 39:15, and the talk is about 10 mins, less than 15, and full of challenges to line up our lives better.

Pagan Warrior - that is EXACTLY what we do here.. As no doubt you've read.

Hello, Scott, and welcome to the Café. Have a cake from the great selection here, to accompany that coffee from T-Bone. I was in rez early 90s and boy! did I learn some interesting language from Loy-boy. As you say - very far from Christ-like. Good on you for taking a stand and getting out to get some education. It's doubtless done you more good than endless sessions cleaning things that don't need it, for the umpteenth time, and all the incessant meetings to be told the same things over and over again. Marked and avoided = badge of honor. Here's your cake choices:

Don't you think that one of the principal things we need to remember is: keep it simple. God is not the author of confusion, of making life difficult, of being oppressive, of bondage. God wants freedom and for us not to be entangled with religious dogma. So what's a simple way of reading verses that some might describe as "difficult"?

Yeah, sucks when the Quote thing doesn't work properly. I'll read the article you reference later. Gotta go to work now. Yep, still working, can I have a few more hours in the day please? so much to do nowadays.

Good lord, Waysider. America surely does know how to over-react.

And if all else fails, just take a trip to Versailles.

Solzhenitsyn was a pretty awesome writer. We do well to carry out our own "daily acts of integrity" - and in this, I'm thinking (perhaps because I just finished reading Schindler's Ark (aka Schindler's List)) about the brave men and women who helped rescue many people condemned by Nazis as unworthy of life; also of the doctor in Wuhan who tried to alert the world to coronavirus and who was squashed by the state there; not to mention the KSU students' protest. There are events, trends, in all societies - yours, mine - that demand that we don't blindly follow the crowd. That's no small ask.