Twinky

Y'all know that VPW forgot this (and y'all know he said he forgot a lot of Bible, more'n that preacher ever knew, or was it a British theologian? who cares?) - anyway, VPW forgot this: Romans 2:5 For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. And we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, O man, [O any leadership in TWI] pass judgment on others, yet do the same things [or worse], do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you disregard the riches of His kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you to repentance? I am not sure that the "long suit" of any of TWI's leadership was "kindness, tolerance, and patience." What their "long suit" was, led to fear and intimidation.

Interesting talk, gives pause for thought. But oh! how American! "I have something going on in my life, so I'll shout it from the rooftops and write a book about it." AKA, make money from it.

????????? Tell us more! (Maybe on "My Story" so as not to distract from this (slow-moving) thread.)

Very interesting link, Rejoice. Thanks. I see WW has copied it entirely, for ease of reference, perhaps, for some people.

I got the charging port replaced (cost me £30). Since then, it does charge, but really slowly. And also since then, the volume is poor - I've had two people today say that they can hardly hear me. I will have to go back to where I had the replacement fitted and see what else they can do, since neither charging is adequate and there seems to be something else malfunctioning that wasn't before they "fixed" it. It's my birthday at the end of this month and I have been offered some money towards a new phone. Might well take that up, but want to choose something that suits me. Most phones are a bit big in the hand (and the pocket - falls out). Possibly I'll get a reconditioned older-model phone, as some of these seem to be a bit smaller. My P10 measures 150cm tall, and one that I had my eye on is 168cm, and a bit wider too; it's quite a lot bigger. I don't need to spend a fortune on whatever I get.

By the way, you still didn't answer this. But that's no surprise.

Wow, thanks for that very perceptive comment, Mike. If you mean "your" as in my own individual "spiritual growth," hahaha, I'd invite you to come and see the things that I do. If you mean "your" as in this or some other group collectively, well, try really reading what people post. You will see much "spiritual growth." And if you mean "your" as in your own spiritual growth, I'd suggest you get your head out of the Orange book and start reading then living the Grace highway made available to us by the love of the Lord Jesus Christ (remember him?). You could also try reading and thinking about some of your own posts - ideally, before you press the Submit button.

I can go along with you on this. I was at a fellowship (long past my TWI days, but it was reformed ex-Wayfers who'd walked away from TWI doctrines). This was 20 years ago, I don't remember all the details. An older man attended. He had walked with sticks or crutches or some such (not in a wheelchair) for many years - the fellowship leader took him quietly aside into the kitchen with 1 or 2 other witnesses, prayed with him and held his hands as he took his first steps. A great shout of joy alerted all the rest of us to something amazing. Here was this man, walking, unaided, stumbling about in the kitchen. He then went outside (accompanied for safety by a couple of people) and spent an hour or more just walking around the little quiet road in which this fellowship took place, and getting better and better at balance, and walking. He was crying with joy. I don't know about afterwards, as I didn't go there often. I saw this. It happened. Who got the glory? God. The leader backed off and claimed no credit at all.

Mike: You did wrong! You broke the rules! Everyone else: What did we do wrong? Mike: Here's the rule book. You go away and find out what you did wrong!

Mike, I think T-Bone asked you a very specific question. But based on your reply, I'll rephrase it a little. In what way are 99% of people not loving? And how do you square that with people being a mixed bag, who can be very loving in one situation and (seemingly) a little less loving in another situation? Who got what wrong? Be specific.

Looks like an interesting book, Rocky. Been browsing it in the Open & Read Me bit.

Actually, I like this picture better: See the peaceful, cleansing wave, washing and smoothing the beach, washing away the "sand in the machinery of life" and the fear instilled by TWI in the heart of "believers."

My second wave. Note the smile on the face, as I wave GOODBYE to PFAL, TWI and all associated whatevers.

I have an idea that she started a cake making business somewhere. I found this post from 15 years ago. No doubt things have moved on for Claudettee since 2008.

I thought she'd left TWI and was running a bakery somewhere, making cakes or some such. I found this entry from 14 years ago.

Oh, don't waste your time by taking an interest now. This actress doesn't have a long career as a star. Just as a needle.

That Markle woman is a conwoman through and through. Apart from any natural ability, she's had years of learning to pretend to be someone else. And despite not being a very good actress, she's well and truly conned her prince, her main audience. I don't believe most of what she says: some things might have a fragment of truth, but she has embellished it so much that any original cause for concern is obliterated. She has no dignity or gravitas, and is an embarrassment all round. Focus is absolutely all on her, her and her, with glimpses of other people but only so as to reflect everything back at her. I doubt this marriage will have the longevity of other royal marriages. Is she a malignant narcissist? Certainly she has her own cult following. And I believe she will cause damage to them. I could mention another malignant narcissist with his own cult following but I won 't because that would get my post banned from here. VPW's delusions of grandeur were just that. Delusions. Quite a small-time conman, really, but he did a lot of damage. I'm glad I never met the man in person.

I can't see the tweet, but I can see the comments beneath. That's not him. And he hates the name Loy - only ever called himself Craig, and only ever gave his name as L.Craig Martindale. Somebody posted under a similar name many years ago. On Facebook, was it? Or somewhere else? That was fake, too. Don't know if this would be some "follower" trying to put things right by apologising in LCM's stead, or a "hater" trying to rile people up, or whatever. I am damn sure LCM knows about the Cafe and knows he could apologise here. If he were prepared to take the flak and hurt and general jumping on that that would entail. Yeah, right.

He's interesting, but remember it's not necessarily right. I've seen some things he's done and he appears to have it completely wrong, when further facts become known.

Hey guys, any smartphone techies here? Got a Huawei P10 Lite and it's refusing to charge. I have tried with different charging leads, and I've tried from a plug and from my laptop. It's been getting harder to charge for a few days and now, not at all. I might add that it's taken a couple of very quick swims (no more than a second at a time) but seems to have dried out well after each dunk, and the second swim was some weeks ago. Any suggestions to rescue this, or is it that I need to get a new phone? If so, recommendations please. It doesn't need to be anything fancy and I'm certainly not looking at the latest and greatest. A decent reconditioned phone a few years old would be suitable.

That's definitely his specialty. Especially the boundaries between himself and other men's wives.

Not so sure about that. I think someone may be uploading some of his old teachings from quite a long time ago. Other sources suggest one of his 1995 teachings was only uploaded in 2018. Some look like series but there are only a few in the series. Google search shows this: "23 Jun 2018 — The Way International 1995 Rock of Ages teaching from the Word of God, on how to Live Sanctified, by L. Craig Martindale." What's a bit concerning is that, while most recordings are in mid double figures, some have had more than 150, nearly 200 audits. Wonder if that's people who are interested in what he says, or nosey parkers (like patrons at the cafe) just trying to find out what he's up to? But I'll leave that task to others at the cafe. I heard quite enough of him when I was in rez.

Now that's an insult to potatoes! ("Slug" is what I've always thought.) I endured two years of in-rez "training" under his leadership. Sure, it was just after the "fog years" and he was working out his angst after the damage done by Chris Geer (a particularly nasty piece of work), but it was all yell, yell, yell. At Corps Nights, at lunchtimes, not quite so noisily at Sunday Night Services, but defo at prep for SNS; very little quiet time with him. On one occasion we were given permission to watch ??the superbowl? - not a thing I know anything about, not interested in (not an American), it was offered as an option not an order, so I did something else. Next day, everyone got a yellfest. If he suggested something, we ought to know to do it. We would learn something from it, and we would learn something about ... him. Cuz he was such a great player, or some such. This business about gays: he ranted on about that lifestyle so very much. Several men were kicked out on this pretext while I was in rez. (One, I know, certainly didn't have any homo instincts (blushes)). You don't say what year the incident you reference took place. I'd assumed that his rants were linked in some way with his wife's affair with Rosie, but maybe his hatred of homosexuals predated that - maybe that's what drove his wife into Rosie's arms? I neither know nor care. I emerged from my battering with TWI with a lot of emotional damage, years of hurt, and a loathing of homosexuals and their devilishness. I visited a city I didn't know and got badly lost. An obvious, camp, homosexual saw that I was struggling, offered help and walked me a couple of streets to an area where I could get to where I needed to go. Such kindness! I felt I'd never had such wanton kindness by TWI leadership. It was the start of dismantling that manufactured prejudice; pre-TWI homosexuality was not a thing I'd known anything about before. Glad to say that I go to a loving church now where everyone from anywhere is honestly welcome. Bizarre, isn't it. We "learned" about "devil spirits" from leaders packing the biggest DS (or is that, BS?) that you could imagine. Big ones turning on little ones. LCM and his nutsy ideas of "tough love" and protecting other people, pah! The crazy fool wouldn't know the love of God if it were the only thing left on the planet.

You need more sleep, T-Bone. And to stop eating those "special" brownies.

You are quite right, Stayed Too Long. All those manmade rules are wicked. I am sure God weeps at the cruelty inflicted on people. Jesus Christ came to give us FREEDOM from manmade laws. You know God looks on the heart and not on the physicals of stuff like eating meat, etc. As to the baptism thing - hahaha, did you ever hear anything so ridiculous? Not sure in any event what benefit baptism is, as surely the essence of Christianity is the individual accepting Christ as lord and saviour. Where, Biblically, does it say that baptism on someone else's behalf avails anything?