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That's what this site is about. Exposing the falseness of TWI. That's also what Waydale was about, as I understand it. I'm sorry that somehow you were hurt. That is NOT the fault of Waydale or any other website. That's the fault of manipulative, lying hypocrites and enablers, keen to obscure the truth; and (it seems) frightened outsiders who were always concerned about their rather odd neighbours. You have also to understand that many others were freed, liberated, shown the truth, about TWI when Waydale operated.

Consider Saul/Paul. We understand him to be a really high-up Pharisee. Educated at the best places, absolutely steeped in tradition, with the greatest respect due to him due to his position. For way more than 20 years, he sat in judgment on others. He ordered the deaths (not just M&A'ing) of Christians. Hard to imagine even the start of his intellectual journey to the polar opposite in his thinking. He took several years out so as to evaluate all he knew. Likely that involved much study of scriptures: as Jesus said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (John 5:39) - though the gospel of John may not then have been written, it's likely it had become oral tradition - so, search the scriptures to understand both the prophesies for Jesus's coming, and "the heart behind them." But what scriptures would Jesus have meant people to study? The OT scrolls! Likely also there were extensive discussions with people already involved with the new way of thinking, examining, evaluating and perhaps picking holes in that thinking (that was the tradition of teaching, and what Saul would have done at the feet of Gamaliel); trying out what people had told him to see if it "worked" both in practicalities of life, and in conjunction with the whole of what he knew. Later, perhaps, he made discreet attempts to contact some of his former colleagues on the Sanhedrin to run ideas by them and, who knows, perhaps even convert them to the new thinking (no record this worked). A lot of introspection for Saul too: where and how did he get it so wrong? What had he been badly taught? What foundational principles (or to use Mike's own language, what "postulates") were wrong? Saul knew he was absolutely and unquestionably "right" - and now he was finding he was dead wrong. A wise man wants to know where things went awry so as to avoid falling into the same hole again later. Many of us here have started on that journey or examination and re-evaluation; we're at different places in that journey. Some have even turned their backs on Christianity, on organised religion, on matters spiritual. Mike in particular is a huge proponent of PFAL and associated written material. Absolutely steeped in PFAL materials and traditions. I have no doubt that he is sincere in what he says and believes. Unfortunately for him, his sincerity is badly misplaced. And deeply regrettably, he does not search the OT scriptures to see what testifies of Jesus; he searches material collated millennia later, which purports to testify of Jesus, but rarely does; rarely references any OT material in this respect. How good would it be if Mike could have a "Damascus moment" that caused him to re-evaluate all he knows of PFAL! He could become such a skilled debunker that he would put T-Bone and WordWolf in the rear view mirror. Instead of hanging on to "postulates" that he cherishes, he could examine those to see if, where, they are awry. Stop building on sand, and build on a rock. Instead of "teaching" people here, he could reach out to all those PFAL grads whom he purports to know, and really show them the light. He could reach out to all those Pharisees still in TWI whom he purports to be in touch with, and show them what the scriptures really say. He could promote the Lord Jesus Christ and his accomplishments to the world and truly become the Ambassador for Christ that he is supposed to be.

Jeepers! 22 pages and growing! I think I got to about page 6 or 7. Is there anything worth reading on the following pages?

I haven't been following this thread but had a peek. This whole thread is absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the canon of scripture. But I did note the following, originally posted by our great scholar Mike. This is the cover to the book that many of us may have purchased. Can I invite you to look at the name of the translator at the bottom of the photo. How is the name spelled? Yep, that's right. LAMSA. Not "Llamsa" (like a llama, perhaps, but not as cute). I always had suspicions about VPW because he paid no attention to the obvious. He made basic and idiotic mistakes, about English, about grammar, about many things. He did this not once or twice, but consistently. And what that causes me to think is: If this person makes such a big mistake about what's very, very obvious - what sort of mistakes is that same person making with less obvious matters? Luke 16:10 (NIV) “Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. You could read "sloppy" or "careless" (etc) instead of "dishonest." You get the point. Overlook the obvious => overlook the less obvious, the hidden, the harder to understand parts. Spelling and grammar errors (for example) are easily picked up on and corrected (heard of spell-checker, anyone? Hint: it's not just for Halloween). Once or twice: forgivable. Consistently: shows ignorance (lack of education) and no desire to be better educated; or lack of regard for the subject matter, and for their audience. And relating that back to this thread, where I see someone overlooking the very, very obvious when posting, I find myself again wondering what sort of mistakes is that same person making with less obvious matters?

Love this!! The Way tree - a bonsai. ROFL

Anybody with half a brain ought to know that means, effectively "deadify." It doesn't mean, and never did mean, "smash into pieces." Mortar fire is intended to deadify, or kill, those on the receiving end - whether they end up in pieces or remain as whole bodies. See, the idiot "Teacher" just didn't understand English. Or Greek, or Latin, or any other language.

What's this? Did your class encourage you to look at number plates and use the letters therein to "practice"? How bizarre!

27. Creates DIS-harmony in the home. A. Causes friction and division between family members. B. Allows and expects secrets between family members. C. Promotes infidelity. D. Promotes coercive control. E. Promotes abortion. F. Permits rape.

Video is totally bizarre and not slightly funny. But then, American humor is rather different from British humor. In any event, this ought not to be a "mock Mike" thread, so lay off it, chaps. Please. Go down to the pub and have a wineskin instead.

Apologies to Mike & Nathan. My bad.

Mike, this is the FUNNY forum. Not Matters of Faith, Doctrinal, or the like. Did you mean to post on this Humor page? (Perhaps you did?!)

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If Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father (wherever that may be), what is he using for food now (and for the last 2000 years)? Manna, specially created every day?

The man didn't understand English and that's clear throughout PFAL. If he doesn't understand his native language and its grammar, how the heck can he be trusted when he purports to expound on some other language? Especially one so very old, with nuances that were there originally and which no doubt changed as centuries wore on.

Oh Mike! Tell us about some of the "greater works" you've done. And I don't mean, that you read the Orange Book a hundred times.

Even the bully LCM said, "You stay hurt [emotionally] as long as you choose to." And that was a reflection made post-fog years. After he had been bullied badly by Geer. Of course, that's so easy to say. When what's happened has ripped your life away from you. When a spouse has walked out, a child has died, or whatever. When, as an immature teenager, as Bolshevik was, you don't have the ability to walk away from it, to leave it behind, to see other people's problems as just that - their problems. Not yours. I wonder how long it took LCM to get over being slung out from his Presidency and from TWI. How hurt he was, how many regrets he had. I wonder if he suffered as much as some posters here have suffered. And whether he learned any lessons. (From BecomingMe's posts, it seems not.) But that's a whole nother story. It's a fine balancing line - the one between independence, and interdependence.

Bolshevik, have you heard of "coercive control"? It can include where the victim (and yes, there is a victim) feels compelled to perform certain acts by a person in some sort of trusted, or superior, position. Examples: a husband beating his wife, or restricting her access to money; a boss requiring sexual favors of an employee; teachers/pupils and so on. Can include doctors, clergymen, and other professionals abusing their professional responsibilities. You must surely be aware of the amount of coercion at TWI HQ. Some is fairly subtle and some is blatantly overt, with lots of shade in between. LCM coerced Mrs A, and other women. It's abuse, pure and simple. An offence against the women, their husbands, and against God. It's no different from the records in 1 Sam. And I very much doubt God's opinion has changed in the last 3,000 or so years, such as to condone such behavior.

As for Linder, he knew what was going on - with VPW and with LCM, and the various young women. Which makes him an accessory. In law, and in God's eyes. Remember God's punishment on accessories to criminal behaviour - like Eli, who did nothing to stop his sons. 1 Sam 3: 11Then the LORD said to Samuel, “I am about to do something in Israel at which the ears of all who hear it will tingle. 12On that day I will carry out against Eli everything I have spoken about his family, from beginning to end. 13I told him that I would judge his house forever for the iniquity of which he knows, because his sons blasphemed Goda and he did not restrain them. 14Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli, ‘The iniquity of Eli’s house shall never be atoned for by sacrifice or offering.’ ” And 1 Sam 4: “What happened, my son?” Eli asked. 17The messenger answered, “Israel has fled before the Philistines, and there has been a great slaughter among the people. Your two sons, Hophni and Phinehas, are both dead, and the ark of God has been captured.” 18As soon as the ark of God was mentioned, Eli fell backward from his chair by the city gate, and being old and heavy, he broke his neck and died So: some sins cannot be atoned. Ultimately, death, and the family wiped out. Seems fair to me.

Jolly good, then. "Glad you're documenting this. Then when the $hit really hits the fan, you can't say you didn't know. Can I hav a copy of the document, please?" He is P@ul and she is F3rn3. And I hope they are still happily married. Good on him for going in to bat for her. There are reports he nearly "batted" the trustees, and LCM in particular.

Praise the Lord, since I've been self-employed I am able to earn more than enough to support myself. And with my spare cash, when I go food shopping, I buy extra items and donate those to Foodbank to help those who are strapped for cash. With the huge surge in prices of gas (for cooking and heating), electricity, and petrol (for cars, what US calls gas), together with most other items increasing in price (think kids' clothes and shoes), life has become very difficult for some at the bottom of the payscale or on state benefits. It's heat or eat, for some.

Good movie, Spotlight. Been a while since I saw it, but I remember a lot from it. It's not just RC that this affects. In the UK, Methodists and Anglicans alike are upping their safeguarding practices to keep vulnerable people safe. And employees and volunteers in the church (and many other organisations) for people-facing roles where they might come into contact with vulnerables now have to be checked by the police Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS), which discloses not just convictions but also intel that doesn't go to conviction but can form a wider picture of a checked person's background. (DBS sounds a bit "police state" but it isn't intended as such. It came out from the horrific murders of two 10 year old schoolgirls, in a quiet country village. They'd passed by the school caretaker's house and, of course, they knew him. He lured them into the house, killed them and hid them in a ditch a few miles away. Turns out there had been suspicions about him, about rape or other unwanted sexual behaviour, not sufficient for charges to be laid, but enough to warrant a cautious eye being kept on the perpetrator. And nobody knew because he moved to a different area, different police force. Google "Soham murders" if you want to follow up. The new DBS procedure allows that suspicion to be recorded for potential employers to check.) My friend is the Safeguarding Officer for the biggest church in the city, has been for nearly two decades, and works in close contact with the diocese where there are issues. He's been told that there are about 6% abusers of various types out there in the population - which means, in a church with an electoral role of say 3-400, there could be quite a number of undesirables in the place. The church will accept them (Christ forgave sinners!) - but with very strict conditions, depending on the type of abuse it was. Might often mean that the offender has to have a nominated person chaperone them at all times. If it's a clergy member who has fallen in this way (and that definitely includes inappropriate sexual activity with a member of the congregation - including "willing" adults - a clergyman with a woman in his church), the offender will be removed from duty, face disciplinary action from the diocese, and, pending outcomes, may be put on "garden leave" on full pay, or moved to a non-contact role in some dusty dungeon of a library (say).

Sounds like one particular regular poster here. If you get a lot of these calls, you could become a whistle blower. You know, tell them you're not interested. If they persist, tell them they hurt your ears and now you will hurt theirs. Then blow a whistle loudly down the phone.

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This is my "now" take on the "faithful remnant." Any piece of cloth, gets worn out as it gets used. The fabric wears away. What's left hasn't fulfilled its function yet. The faithful bit is more the used-up portion that you cannot see, because it gave its all, got worn out, and has been washed away. It was faithful to the end, and to its own destruction. It's now a hole in the fabric. That which is left may still be faithful to perform its task. Or it might just be hanging around at the edges, hoping it never gets called into use. TWI's meaning was (is?) those who continue to "stand" with TWI and haven't chosen to follow God a different way, or been M&A'd or otherwise departed. TWI mean those who are still hanging around the edges waiting to be used, abused and discarded. I get that God has a different meaning. I'd rather be part of God's faithful remnant - because my strength, instead of being washed away, is renewed daily, like the eagle's.

It's late, my eyes are blurry, and probably my contact lenses need cleaning. I misread the above post at first glance. I misread "showing" for "snowing." Which seems to fit the context in more than one way.