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I'm with Raf, most of the "Christmas songs" make me want to run away ! There's a guy busking in the main shopping street in my town. He is tuneless at the best of times (usually with "No Woman, No Crime" or in his case, being homeless, Grime) but he is out there right now with horrendous renditions of two Chrissie carols. The shopkeepers should pay him to go away. Scares off legit customers. But actually, I do quite like a carol service as long as I can shut my Waybrain up and forget about the overcrowded stable with shepherds, lots of animals and rich old geezers prancing about.

Well, congratulations on such a long marriage, 27 years and still going strong. It might have been successful with some of the other guys you wanted to marry, too. Whatever, it should have been your choice, unless obviously wrong (like they knew your intended was an abuser, a wife-beater - no, wait, such a man would fit right in...) You so much did the right thing, marrying your Man. ( to those know-alls).

TLB, so that's why the Navigators got their name, huh? How to Win Friends etc was required WC reading/study, at least when I was in. I just found my copy and it is written through with scripture verses and Biblical principle, to back up each point made in the book. Whether that was something that was a required mode of study, or just something I did of my own Waybrained volition is too far lost in the mists of time to recall. Yep, learn how to sell PFAL.

Mine is on Jade, and it's translucent. Actually I like my ring, though rarely worn. I keep it because it reminds me of the commitment I made to God...not the commitment I made to TWI. Oddly, in this respect TWI seems to have dropped out of the picture. Agree with Krys, get it valued for the gold. Gold is going for good prices now. Choose someone reputable and not the shysters who shove junk mail in the mailbox.

Just amazing how many people seemed to feel they had to sneak off while the rest of their group (WoW, twig, whatever) were out of the house/locality. Anyway, Cheranne, no doubt in your heart you'd made a vow TO GOD. And you haven't broken that vow. You only broke away from a controlling group that would not allow you to love and serve God in a proper manner. Did they make a "vow" to you - for example, to support you by teachings, etc? Anything else? If so, they broke that. And if TWI made no vow, remember how GOD has made vows to us, when we serve him with our whole hearts. He never broke His vows. He didn't then, and He doesn't now.

Wow, Jeff, I only just found this thread. Reading your first post, and thinking of where you are now... oh, you have changed! What a long way you've come. And your personal life is somewhat better now too. Hugs to you and your lady. Glad to see you here at the Cafe. Here, celebrate your second anniversary - don't remember shouting you some cake when you first opened the door.

Can't tell you how much it p1$$ed me off, that people whose knowledge of the English language was poor - would set themselves up as knowledgeable in another language (I'm talking native English speakers here; same would apply if a speaker of any other language expressed himself poorly in his native tongue. To grasp all the nuances of another language takes years and yet some have set themselves up as "teachers" in Greek after not much more than PFAL. If a teacher hasn't the wit or ability to be correct in his own language, his ability in another is inevitably suspect. Who would of thought it could happen (tongue in cheek)?

Interesting topic, this. All quotes from New International Version (to make a change from KJV): So: these acts defile the individuals; and they defile the land (country); and the land (=people thereof) is punished. (in this same section, Lev 20, this is lumped together with other capital sins such as idol worship (dedication to Molech), cursing one's parents, consulting mediums, adultery, incestuous relationships, and bestiality. So that's a lot of things that are capital crimes. Bestiality. Adultery. Envy. Murder. Disobedience / disrespect to parents. Arrogance. Slander. Yet adulterers were and are allowed to live, and nowadays few in society would shun adulterers (and who knows, there could be "adulterers" in the biblical sense at the Café today – who here has been divorced and has subsequently remarried, hold your hand up!) Some adulterers enter second marriages – the ceremonies performed in churches. Murderers are not always executed; some are released after just a lengthy prison sentence. And who hasn't at some time been just a little envious, deceitful (white lie, anyone?), boastful? (In TWI it might be said that all of us were boastful, glorying in our "knowledge.") God hates all of these. They are "worthy" of death (KJV), "deserve death" (NIV). Are we to execute them? No, the NT doesn't say so. And clearly it is not a sentence that was widely carried out even in OT times. No - God is patience and long-suffering, and allows people plenty of time and scope to change. And does fear motivation actually change one's heart or mind? Or only change actions – not doing something for fear of being found out/consequences? God loved us – and gave. And as we love him, we give ... give up our old God-offending lifestyles, so that we are more like the example set before us. We don't change overnight. If one treats a homosexual differently from how one treats an adulterer, say, or even just an arrogant and boastful person, then one is a respecter of persons. Which is … a sin!! And the first person who's behavior one needs to be concerned about – is oneself! Homosexuals should be welcome in church just as perpetrators of other unacceptable behavior are. All people have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. In conclusion, it seems to me that: 1. Homosexuality is unequivocably "detestable" to God; 2. So also is a very great deal of other behavior which is quite commonly found; 3. One type of behavior is to God no worse than other types of behavior; 4. Fear motivation doesn't effect change of heart, only (perhaps) change of behavior; 5. Love motivation does effect change of heart but it doesn't all happen at once; 6. We shouldn't operate double standards and villify one group of individuals whilst pretending other individuals who offend (including ourselves) are okay; 7. Watch out that we ourselves don't get puffed up into prideful misbehavior. (As to whether homosexuality is innate or a choice isn't the topic, so I refrain from coment.)

Ya know what? I know I'm NOT in a screwed up cult. I'm out of one. I escaped. (Actually, I was thrown out. Clearly not screwed up enough, LOL.)

Hey, Ex10, I reached out the phone several times to ring you, but things just seemed to keep happening at home to have to deal with. Will give you a ring this weekend, Saturday maybe, if that works for you.

Hey, blessings, beautiful. Sorry I missed the date - hope you and yours had a great time together. Twinx

Are those women all his bits on the side? They all look the same. He's just like Rod Stewart. Carbon copy blondes on his arm. He's the only one who gets any older in photos. The girls have a shelf-life of only a few years.

Of course, "having sense" presupposes not too much Waybrain. But if any WC do have debt, clearly they are not fully TWI reduced (sorry, renewed) minded yet. Folks, there's still a way out. Declare your debt, get dropped, and live abundantly.

The Way Corps Who Are In Debt - What will they do? If they have any sense, they will stay in debt (at sensibly manageable levels), say "yah boo sucks" to TWI, and get on with their lives and their families.

Soooo.... some people have been "partners" with CES. I recall a shedload of teachings about how "partners" "fully share" with each other. So is this partnership - one side of which is now begging money - also a partnership the other way? Like, if one of the partners has a financial need - does cash from from CES to the partner? A million to one, the partnership is : You give us your money; We give you (recycled) "teaching and support". So no full sharing, then. Clearly no-one is allowed to "teach" them.

:confused: Of the making of books there is no end.

Hey, I just found this. Did you get to see the whole movie, Kimberley? I saw it years ago (at the movies) and it's so memorable. Really enjoyed it.

I want to be someone who forgets this within 24 minutes.

...as opposed to walking all over the Bible, which is what TWI and splinters do?

Oh, anything to get a bit of money, and to increase the bondage upon the people providing the money. Some years ago, I got in conversation with a young Muslim woman - we worked at the same office. She told me that under Muslim law, everyone is required to give away 1/10 of his or her income. -To whom? I asked. -To anyone who needs it, she said. -Not to the mosque or Muslim leaders or charities? -No, wherever you want. -Can you give it to some local charity or to your friend or to your family? -Wherever you want, it can be anywhere. You're just supposed to give away that much. I was still rather Waybrained at the time, but it struck me how much freer she seemed to be that Way people. This from a lass in her mid 20s, with lowish-cut top and ordinary pants/trousers, bare-headed and made-up. Went to the mosque but enjoyed life too.

Weasel. As in "weasel words". Weasel words is an informal term for words and phrases that, whilst communicating a vague or ambiguous claim, create an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said. Weasel words manage to vaguely imply meaning far beyond the claim actually made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_words You know. Like on the Green card.

Rummie - happy to help, but you might find the following links useful. Not the obvious grocery store: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Dgrocery&field-keywords=patak+mango+chutney&x=0&y=0 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Dgrocery&field-keywords=patak+lime+pickle&x=15&y=17

Thanks, Belle Three income streams: (1) Social Security - so someone must have paid sufficient contributions; (b) TWI pension plan - woah, a pension plan is available, huh? (3) Mrs Wierwille's assets - uh, what assets? The family farm had been given over to TWI. Are we talking about the mothballed motorcycles, or what? How come she had any assets to speak of? Inherited from VPW, who cajoled them as free-will gifts out of "his keeds"? The letter presents a good argument. And Alzheimers sufferers are very hard work. However, as Mrs W had been "public property" for many years, it's a bit disingenuous to now call this "a family matter" - after all, aren't we all family, LOL? A magnifying glass is needed to be able to read between the lines and see what they are really saying.

RumRunner, I'm joining Kimberley beating your door down to share your meals....! Are you providing personal wheel kits so's people can haul their bellies around, after that enormous week of feasting?

Duck crown = basically the breasts off a duck, removed from the carcass. No wings or legs, just straight meat, in one lump. Joint of pork = a lump of pork (sometimes, though not in this case, with the bone still running through it.) Joint of beef = lump of beef. George, like steaks before they are cut into steaks. Curries = now surely you know what a curry is. One of these is Chicken Makhani (=in rich tomato sauce) and the other is a Veggie Dhansak. The smelly thing in the fridge was either a marrow, well really an overgrown courgette) which was quietly liquifying, or a bowl of beetroot that needed boiling up.