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Come back to TWi, you make such a good punchbag, we can really give you a good kicking then. Oh, and if your daughter doesn't get the benefit of healing, it's still your fault and we will kick you some more for that. .....Yeah, right...... All the best for you and both your daughters, Shell.

(((((Shell))))) What mstar1 said...doubled. What unbelievable hatred that person has. Hey, sad ones that feel the need to write such notes: and this:

True, those things are very bad. Especially the loss of lots of very influential leadership in Poland. I would, however, like to point to some truly excellent news, and some, Jim, that you should appreciate....the rescue of many coal miners in China after being trapped in a flooded mine. Survived 9 or 10 days at least, by eating bits of wood from the pit props and drinking the dirty flood water...but they have survived.

No Easter eggs for you, then, Composer, nor "Good" Friday and Easter Monday as statutory holidays. Nor 25 Dec, and no Chrissie pressies. (LOL) Enjoy your life while it lasts. Maybe you'd like to start a thread about what you use for rules for life. Those rules don't seem to include graciousness. Everybody else: went to the second service at my church. It was an all-age service (kids didn't go out). People were asked to get into little groups with people sitting nearby. We were asked how we learned: by copying. We were asked to write down a few things that we thought Jesus would be like. One of the kids wrote, "Like my Dad." That got a round of applause. That little lad copied his Dad, who was copying (one hopes) Jesus, who copied his Dad - God.

RumRunner, I can agree with you that there are probably many good priests, nuns, and other religious people connected with the RC church. As in all other churches. Unfortunately the ones who misbehave tend to do so spectacularly. Other church hierarchy is probably even worse, in knowing about the evil acts, covering up, not doing anything constructive about it and thus condoning and permitting the behavior to continue. Thus permitting other [young people] to be abused as well. Not just in the RC church either; probably happens to some extent in every type of group, Christian or non-Christian, though I can't of course speak for Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists. But how are incidents dealt with, when they occur? What is the means of recourse? Yes, Rummie, I'd agree that there are some great right-believing and right-acting people out there whose good works are largely unsung. And Composer: Funny, and yeah, you do kinda wonder what connection they might have, that would "wink" at the cover-up.

I think all that stuff about David with his not-so-subtle comparison was simply a part of VPW's self-aggrandisement. He wanted to put himself right up there with David. Okay, David messed up with Bathsheba. He also messed up (though not shown in the extracts from the Bible that WW selected, above) over not dealing with his sons Amnon when one of them followed his example and raped - raped his own sister Tamar (2 Sam 13). That caused chaos and civil war in the kingdom. The fearless young David, who hunted down the enemies of Israel, in turn became hunted down and fled in fear of his own son (2 Sam 15:14ff). Abandoned his women folk. Not so perfect really, then. The younger David was generous and giving - a protector to the weak. When older and richer (and once he was the Top Man), he also prepared ahead. He collected materials for a magnificent temple. He gave of his own money for the temple. He set up contracts with neighboring potentates for the supply of beautiful things for the temple (exotic woods, etc). You might say Weirwille also prepared ahead - managed to get that auditorium built - put some donation in of his own funds. It is a nice place. But for the glory of God - or the glory of Weirwille? The older David was an old lecher who had a young woman, Abishag, to warm his bed (1 Kgs 1). The older Wierwille ... well, fill in the blanks for yourself. Perhaps Wierwille was telling us more than we realized........

So (on now having looked at the document included by James Trimm) here we have an alleged plagiarizer (James T) defending a claim from another *known* plagiarizer (TWI). Are we being asked to adjudicate? To take sides? Even VPW in PFAL makes the point that a translation is one thing, a "version" is another, when people start to work on the rough draft of a translation and sort out nuances. (And that's before you get into "literals according to usage.") Any translation, version, has an element of doctrine attached to it. The choice made to use one word instead of another to express nuances in the original language is partly translation, partly doctrine - even sometimes for quite everyday objects - never mind amorphous concepts like love, joy, peace, gentleness, goodness, longsuffering etc which you will recognise from Galatians 5 - but the words aren't the same in every version of the Bible and sometimes one word is used to represent another. Very loving, though, the way TWI goes after smaller groups to pick them off.

I'm sure this is covered in all classes run by this organization, and has been fully canvassed in Corps meetings...not. If what you report is accurate, not a whisper of that will have reached the ears of any innie at lower level. Maybe the BoT has discussed it. Sounds like some lawyers' ruse, actually.

An active w/e in the garden... Nothing on Fri. Sat rained most of the day...bought a rake (my birthday presssie!!) and checked out prices of sand and cement. Sun afternoon we re-layed the upper part of the path. That's probably right, now. I uplifted some baby leeks and some dismal purple sprouting broccoli which were likely to get squashed by the uplifted pavers. Today friend assaulted the lower path which has some steps that are steep and appear to be some sort remnant staircase. He has spent nearly all day hacking out an area about 3' square and 6" deep. Ideally the staircase needs reducing some more...the hire shop has equipment which will be enjoying a trip to my garden (!). Like most tasks, this fairly simple path re-laying is turning into a major exercise. So while he was chiselling out the breeze blocks and old cement...I turned my compost heap and pulled up some beginning weeds. Much more enjoyable. The soil is lovely - the cold in the winter has done good. It's rather a pity that all along the path, the rubble from under the path is piled up, including scraping off some of the clay bed. Just when the garden looked like it was going to flourish, this year.

Lots of little ones is good. It's when they stop that the worrying starts...what's building up somewhere? Which was 7.2? That's fairly fearsome.

The original thread topic: There has been talk in other threads about the seeds for faulty doctrines having been sown in PFAL. And the seed for this doctrine was also sown there. "No friends when it comes to the Word." And later (though not in PFAL) pointing to the gospels where it talks about opposition between family members (eg Mt 10:35; Lk 12.53). As if people are discardable - family in particular. You'd think a genuinely Christian ministry would work hard with both individuals to help them reconcile differences - pointing out (lovingly) how either or both could improve. Instead of which, we got arrogant bossiness saying men should lord it over their wives, and women (whether wives or not) should submit to any male in "authority" - whether the man was right or wrong - because God spoke to the man and how did you (a mere woman) know he wasn't acting by revelation? So yes - it was deliberate, to get rid of anyone who didn't "submit" (male or female) to their doctrines. Culling the strong, you might say.

I think I heard someplace that the silo that housed the lift in the Auditorium was a missile silo. But I musta got that from within TWI when they said that people on the outside had said... So I don't know if people on the outside actually did say that, or if TWI was just saying that to laugh at outsiders.

I do know of cases where a break-up was "engineered" - then one would be banished and the other invited to stay. Then they would try to get the one who remained into another relationship with some other pliant believer. The banished one probably hadn't (in reality) done a thing wrong except perhaps retain some shred of his or her own ability to think and to challenge TWI on some of its practices (or just ignore some of the practices) - thus showing they weren't fully committed. If any of 'em had a single skill in the matrimonial counselling area, I'd be amazed. All they did was encourage and endorse dominance/doormat relationships.

Happy Easter to you too, Dot! "New every morning is the love "Our wakening and uprising prove; "Through sleep and darkness safely brought, "Restored to life and power and thought." New Every Morning - tune

Leafy, feel free to come over here with a very large water butt. Will give you surplus stocks of water free.

Ham, tell us more about these. What were the miracles, please describe. And who forbade you to put the name of da way on them, the beneficiary of the miracles - or TWI for some odd reason? (Not like them to pass up an opportunity for God self-promotion.) Maybe you could start a separate thread.

Rise and Expansion... :( LCM used to say that authors shouldn't write until they had something worth saying; a lot of books were written because of the ego of the authors. This was his reason for not writing anything before R&E. (He seems to have forgotten at the time the number of books published under VPW's name. Or perhaps he thought he didn't know as much as VPW.) But R&E was important now as we moved into the Decade of the Whatever Word (I dunno the sequence of the "Decades" now, nor do I care to try to remember.) Interesting that he should write R&E right after a mass exodus of people after the Loy-alty letter. A sort of oxymoron, perhaps. Also, with the internet being more widely accessible, it would be easier to spot plagiarism and he had enough other litigatable things that needed to be covered up, without covering up any plagiarism.

Not Rosie unless she has moved to the Philippines. mmm...the currency is quoted in US$ and Philippine currency. Seller appears to be in Seattle. Pretty expensive for a bit of fire starter material.

Doing well on this. Feel free to check out the web page, even if you don't want to donate (but feel free to do that, too!). I have 76% of my desired total, will go up a little when the charity gets the tax back from the taxman. Am very grateful to all my donors. What's surprising is the number of people who say that they themselves ran marathons or half-marathons in their youth...looking at them now, it's hard to imagine some of them in fit enough shape. Alas, age and gravity affect us all; also, too much sugar in the coffee... (he he). My link

Now for a slightly different take on PooP... I knew Geer from Gartmore, hated his arrogant self-satisfied smirk, and had early encountered that he said one thing and didn't follow through what he was spouting off in public. A lot of things flowing from Gartmore and the hard attitude there caused immense hurt and confusion to me, a mere "twiggy". The fog years were there and Geer was making a play for power and re-working PFAL. God took me out of that and I ended up in another country, where the believers were kind and tender and really cared for each other and the BCs were great. That aroused a desire in me to want to serve better and I ended up going in rez. When in rez, I was shown a copy of Poop. It was presented as being something special for me because of my knowledge of Geer - it wasn't shown to other in rez WC. I was appalled at the venom, vitriol, vileness of the language in the document. I was so utterly completely shocked at how any so-called leader could let such abusive language and outright evil spew forth. Any vague doubts I might have had about Geer being the "right man" were instantly dispelled and it deepened my commitment to TWI, and the BoT at the time. :wacko: <= koolaid Little did I realize that they were (are) ALL vile, venomous, and abusive. :asdf: Choose your poison wisely! So it "rocked my world" in a bit different way to the "rocks" others have described. In fact, it put some real big stumbling rocks (blocks) in my Christian walk. (edited cos my little symbols didn't turn out right!)

I never heard this one before, soul searcher. Barffff....just when you think it couldn't get any worse.... I really do think I have to thank Rosie, yes, that Rosie. He told me he'd wanted me to be in the Green Room but she told him that I wasn't "spiritual" enough. Guess that means she knew I wouldn't (not even going to name it) and furthermore might make waves about it, being as I was never "meek" enough. Ps 84:10 I had rather be a dish washer in the dishroom of my God, than to dwell in the Green Room of wickedness. (with apologies)

Officially spring!! And actually it is. Was out and about over the weekend and there are snowdrops everywhere, absolutely wonderful, great carpets of them, wall to wall little white flowers. And now there are some in my garden, not saying how they got there but I have a few clumps. As to the rest of the garden, guess I should be planning what to put where and getting things started but I have a Project which will take place over Easter which might negate any planting that I do. The Project: my garden path needs relaying. It was very ricketty when I bought the house and I started to re-lay it last fall but the weather suddenly turned inclement. All the paving slabs went back as best they could and now this temporary arrangement is showing signs of having had a hard winter. So the plan is to re-lay the path properly over the longer break. Exciting decisions to be made: how many steps, how deep, what sort of slope on the path, what to use to form the steps.... Frankly I'd rather take my tent and go camping, but Easter is when I can get some help with The Project.

Bit late in the day to think of this, but "teaching" and "style" with regard to LCM - aren't these two complete opposites? Now if you said, "screeching style" ... that would be accurate ...

That would be PFAL sign-up cards, wouldn't it? Hey word of knowledge and word of wisdom go hand in hand... like a WIZ with a WOK...to cook up some new enchantments, no doubt.

Gen-2, you talk about learning to ride a bike. You have a saddle, a chain, handlebars, pedals, wheels, tires, brakes, gears and gear levers without which the bike is useless; and parts that you don't use so often but which are still necessary: a bell, lights, perhaps a basket or panniers... Sure you could learn how each one worked correctly. You still wouldn't be learning to ride a bike until you used all the parts correctly, all together, working properly to make one powerful and useful item. If you want to ride your spiritual bike, you need all the parts, too. But hey, Tom, what a great idea - break it down, and teach it as separate classes - hook 'em in with SIT then another cute little class called TIP (ha ha, interesting name) which was "fun" with practice sessions. By now they're well and truly hooked and you can smack 'em for a big payout on the Advanced Class. All part of the MLM strategy.