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Finally got some plants in the garden. The path project has occupied all my time and unfortunately a lot of the garden space. Now the surplus soil is residing in two huge 1/2 ton bags near the house, and the soil underneath is now useable. And I can get to the other side of the garden to plant, too. So I fetched a load of well-rotted hoss muck and dug my bean trench, and my beans (grown from seed) went in last night. It has rained overnight (first time for a couple of months) so the soil is going to be nicely moistened and get them off to a good start. I found a couple of volunteer potato plants in the area where the beans should be so I've left them. Let them do their thing, why not, they must be the best and pretty vigorous. Had some nice volunteer spuds last year. Very tasty. Getting a bit late in the season for planting a lot of things (like onions) but at least I should be able to get some quick-growing salad crops and then later put in some things that will mature over winter (brassicas and such like). The path project is not finished, and will not be finished for at least a month (maybe longer, depending on Mr Muscle's work commitments; a big work project is likely to be coming up so it might mean 3 months).

Never saw this thread before, but I have read it all. What a tragic waste of talent and ability. Desperate that our God-given abilities and talents were beaten out of us, or squashed to within a thread of themselves. I'm just thinking now - in study hall, perhaps more good would have been done if instead of endless rehashing of FNC, SNS, CN and other tapes - or cancelling and sending us off to chop wood - if they'd given us a box of paints and told us to paint and draw like little kids in school (I say that because some people would say they have no artistic ability). Or given us proper singing lessons (not how to wave the arms around supposedly leading a song). Or if, for one's "research paper" those who were artists couldn't have produced a painting illustrating something of value to them, that they'd learned whilst in rez. Think of all the latent talent that could have been unearthed. Glad those of you who have artistic abilities are finding your metier again.

No doubt this is a fascinating discussion. Could somebody please synthesise the arguments or post a synopsis or give bite-sized chunks? I'm all for rooting out Weirwille rubbish and misdirection, but I need something accessible that is of interest, before my eyes glaze over with excess of words. It's excess of words that got us all into trouble in the first place.

Hey, can you post the one about the Dead Sea Scrolls, please?

Women were of pretty little significance. And the more ability the woman has/had, the less significance she had. Corps women especially. Their main purpose was to service, sorry serve, TWI men. Not to be competent in their own right. (Unless perhaps the woman's name is Rosalie.) (list as amended)

Cap'n Drive-By has been a member for less than a year. It takes some time to disentangle. Perhaps just posting here is the "first step" to his eventual escape. It took some of us a long time to begin to shake off Waybrain. And that's when for whatever reason we're already out. For an innie, perhaps it's harder. Please don't beat on him so hard that he doesn't want to come back to the Cafe ... so hard that in fact belonging to TWI is a nicer place to be . Cos although we know it ain't - but he doesn't know that yet.

Romans 10:4 KJV For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth These are some of the laws: Exodus 24:12 KJV And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written ; that thou mayest teach them. This takes place right after the giving of the Ten Commandments and several chapters of other commandments in Ex 20-23 – called "the book of the covenant." At this time the making of burnt offerings, peace offerings, etc was already well established (Ex 24:5ff and records in Genesis). The OT believers had rituals for washing, for offering animal sacrifices as burnt offerings, sin offerings, peace offerings, etc, and these became enforced as "laws." These rituals and the "heart behind them" (sorry for the phrase) made those believers righteous. Pharisees added a whole new lot of other "external" laws (which they strictly enforced) to make people "righteous" and look good, without in any way serving God or his people. But remember: Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Abraham is around from Genesis 12. Romans spends a lot of time going into Abraham's righteousness and believing, which predates the exodus and the giving of the law by at least that 430 years. Adam & Eve obviously didn't have "the law" – again, a lot of references in Romans about this. Romans 4:3 KJV For what saith the scripture ? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Galatians 3:6 KJV Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. James 2:23 KJV And the scripture was fulfilled which saith , Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. God doesn't want us going through rituals (Heb 10:8). He just wants us to believe Him. What has always really annoyed me (right from PFAL) is the way Wayfers always said, "Jesus Christ is the end of the law" therefore the Ten Commandments don't apply to us. (If you said, "the text says, end of the law for righteousness," you'd get the look that said, "You've added something to the Word!") Basically they tore up the "rule book." If they went further, they might add that our sonship rights said that we are righteous now because of what JC did. They forgot that the 10 Cs are rules for living rightly (righteously) along and for having correct personal relationships - and so all their personal relationships went to hell in a handbasket. They forgot what the essentials of "right living" might actually mean. It makes sense to me that we aren't bound by "laws for righteousness" but it doesn't mean that we aren't bound by immutable laws of God as to how to live properly. Like this synthesis: Luke 10:27 And he [Jesus] answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. Do that, and all the rest follows.

Uh, Waysider, Santa Claus was behind the curtain? Makin' out with the Wizard?

FWIW, I just found this in my journal: a lunchtime sharing (?) by LCM in October 1992: Now, I wonder what one of my Corps sisters might have made of that - being as she was from a native American tribe although not one that was from that area. Nor was she from any of the tribes WW mentions. This came after insulting Europeans and their "spiritual darkness." That man surely had read, "How to win Friends and Influence People" - yeah, right.

TWO YEARS OLD and ALREADY SMOKING FORTY A DAY???? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: The kid can't run or walk ... and his dad thinks he looks healthy enough??????

Oh Chockfull, I don't doubt that TWI has "got" something on many of those at/near the top. But why did they stay ? Why stay long enough to get near the top? What'd TWI done to break their will? And I didn't mean people's tales in general. I meant Bolch@lk's in particular. Though to be fair, the version I got (and the rest of the in rez Corps at the time) was straight out of LCM's outraged mouth, and he was hardly known for his honesty and integrity in the accusations he made.

Bolch@lk was a very early beat-on-the-head "purchase." His tale of why he is still in the WC is definitely one of thost "what God did for me" tales. Does he tell anyone about ...? When they threw him out of the in rez WC? Then graciously accepted his grovelling apology and took him back in (the usual mind game)? Dunno what he was like before; but afterwards, he couldn't do enough to stay in their good graces and remain in the WC. It just made things a bl00dy sight more difficult for the rest of his Corps bros and sis - because we got the screws tightened on us even more, since we were clearly such a wilful and disobedient Corps (they didn't threaten to throw us all out though, not on that particular occasion). Hah, that'd be a good sharing. Bet you never heard it.

This and some other of James Trimm's topics are very interesting - but need to be in Doctrinal, surely, not in About The Way?

Old Skool, shame on you. It sounds very much to me like you were trying to be an exception, not exceptional. Did you think the whole program turned on you? That you were the most important person? You should have tried to be invisible - not be a squeaky wheel, constantly egotistically drawing attention to yourself. And other such rubbish. That "don't be an exception, be exceptional" was a real big stick to beat people into submitting into the mold. Glad you managed to retain some individuality. And Tonto, that's what they told us, in rez, too,a decade or so later too but before Old Skool. If your sponsors didn't send sponsorship money, it was because you, the person sponsored, were not taking care of them (yeah, right, like you were there right with them... or even really had time to write the obligatory letters!). Never mind what disasters might have befallen them.

Sorry to see you go, Jeff, but it's your life to spend as you think best, and there isn't a substitute for spending time with people. I'll miss your humorous posts, though, and your insight. Maybe you'll find you're addicted and you'll come back. Your son is worth every bit of the love and time you put into him. Hang in there, teaching him whatever it takes to grow into the fine young man you see him as, and equipped with all the wisdom he needs to avoid ravening wolves and false teachers. Best wishes for whatever you do in the future.

Dunno, soul searcher, but I wonder if there are people adding "votes" and that's what bumps it. There have to be more than 40 people who still hang around in the Cafe...don't there? Even though it has been quiet lately.

So that's why, when I was in rez, the staff quarters were basically off limits! Actually when in rez I don't think I gave any much thought as to what staff did. They did hang out with each other (well, who else is there?) and obviously could go off grounds (or could they?). In rez you hardly had time to think about what you yourself were doing except getting to the next meeting, meal, class, whatever - never mind what anyone else might be doing.

Sugar shack??? This means...? And it's - where...? Never heard of it. Though your post suggests naughty goings-on. And who are the people you mentioned? Celebs enjoying their 15 seconds of fame for ... what? Making sugar?

Bliss..... (gag) They wouldn't be thinking carnally there, would they?

Yeah, right. This one's still my favorite. Tui beer - ducks

Your ppt looked like a lot of work, herbie. But looks like a nice clear presentation. Well done!

Based on results, and if a twig coordinator was doing as poorly as The Way is nowadays, losing people so badly ... I'd say a serious face-melting was required. If your twig/branch lost people at such a rate, you'd be found a failure as a TC/BC. Probably get moved on, if you were a BC. Course, if you're the head honcho different rules apply, and you just snuggle deeper into your burrow.

Rummie, you're back! (Now behave yourself this time! Chill out with a beer.) How much was BP taking out every day anyway? And it's hugely more than that, that's escaping. It's a sort of undersea Chernobyl.

You took vacations, JavaJane? I sure hope you were out looking for new people to witness to. You were out looking for those lost sheep, weren't you, you know, the 99 safe in the fold and the 1 lost one that you were searching for, out in those wilds way away from normal contact. Good on ya.

And after all that teaching in PFAL about apeitheia and apisteia, too! Only that would be the "study of the doctrine," wouldn't it?!