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Klug surely does sound less classy than Addison. But who is this author? An Ex-Wayfer. ex- or current Stiffy? One of the lawyers who handled some of the sex cases against/for LCM/TWI? Or is this in the wrong section and it should be in the Books forum?

Not talking about me, are you Ham, or my girlies? :blink:

Yep. And then they put up with all your strangeness after TWI. Another decade of weirdness before they get back the family/friends that had walked away.

Pathetic. So sad. Pitiful. And completely "off the Word," if only they knew that.

Bow, somebody should tell that lilac that it's not time yet! I was out for a walk at the weekend. There are bluebells in bloom underneath the hedgerows in shady damp places. All very pretty - but they're about 6 weeks early. Oh, in my garden is a pieris, but I couldn't remember its name when I posted earlier. Lovely little shrub - now. Pieris hate the soil round here and have to be planted in special compost.

Unfortunately, Naten, that's so true. Of some of them. I had a brush with an ex-TWI male, now a CFF "Rev" - pointed out something to him that wasn't accurate in what he said (grammatical, not "Word") and he spent the next 20 mins without pausing for breath going on at me about ... I don't know, I wasn't listening, I just wanted to see how long he could go on without any response from me, no "umm", no nod or shake of the head, no words. I don't know if he even saw me - never wanted any response or comment. After about 20 mins of this monologue, might have been more, I had to excuse myself and go and laugh/cry somewhere private. All I could think was, "What a prat! A disgrace to God, as a 'minister'!" On the other hand, at lower levels, I've met some really awesome people who genuinely did have a care for others, when they weren't in PFAL-sales mode. That'd probably be once you'd "taken the class."

Never seen or heard of that tree before, Waysider. Impressive, though. I have: forsythia; "elephant ears" (bergenia) - large roundish leaf, pink flowers on a stalk, low growing; pansies, wallflowers (why are they out already?); primroses; a few daffodils; hellebores; and a pretty shrub with white bell-like flowers whose name temporarily escapes me. Oh and volunteer celandines and violets. Last year's brussels sprouts are shooting up, as is the kale. Self-setter chard is popping up everywhere. I noticed over the weekend that my Japanese maple has now got tiny little red leaves on it. They were buds on Friday but when I came home that evening, these beautiful leaves had burst out. i love this time of year.

Roy said he was going on 17 Feb...and hasn't been seen since. Mind you, that is only just over a month. And this place is somewhat addictive. Nice to see you, anyway, Dot.

Psychedelic looking ammonite, there, Ron. FWIW, I did notice we had a palindromic day here recently: 21.3.12.

Interesting stuff about the "lake," Mark. We are told to "purify" ourselves; does that verb related to any of the other words you mention? (Midnight; too late for me right now to get into research!!!)

Steve, you mentioned you have some sophisticated Bible search software. It is programmable to search for idioms? Does it know about figures of speech and in particular the idiom of permission, and if so, what results does it show?

I'm sorry for this young man and Kristin. They clearly have hearts to serve and to reach out to others. And they are stamped on at every turn. God bless 'em in their decision-making and in their next move. Like many of us, what's been going on may well make this couple stronger and wiser and much more able to discern the BS that legalistic institutions are so full of.

Even if we posted under our commonly-used names, what difference would that make? Most people wouldn't know most of us. Just a few would be known - Old Skool, Skyrider, maybe; DWBH definitely. You, Penworks, have declared your real name enough times - as have others. All that posting under a real or commonly-used name would achieve is to give TWI more scope to dig around and slander the person posting. Blacken their name. Nothing they say can be trusted. Listening to devil spirits. Spiritually suspect. ... Damn the messenger - maybe no-one will listen to the message. Any innies who want to "listen" will hear the ring of truth as they read the boards here in fascinated horror.

Not just you, OS.

This has developed into an interesting discussion on another topic. Maybe someone can lift out the previous few posts and start a new thread on Universalism. That way, these interesting comments won't get missed by other posters. Universalism's not a part of this thread, which pertains to the Idiom of Permission. Thanks, Twinx

Bumped for the benefit of newbies.

One relevant discussion on this board: Family Table You may find the very first post ... enlightening ... as to the purpose of that board. If you go to the search box at the top of the page (menu) and enter "family table" (complete with " ) you will get a list of topics discussing this. If you miss off the " you will get a different result.

Don't know whether to respond, "TWI is the bogey man" or "Bogey men welcome at the Cafe. First cup of coffee on the house"

Sky, your search engine brings up different items from those brought up by mine... Actually before I discovered GSC, I googled TWI because I wanted to write to "apologize" (for having a brain, blah blah.... whatever was necessary to fall on my sword). First up was not TWI but GSC - I read with fascinated horror all the stories... never carried on the search for TWI's address. Never went back. A search doesn't seem to bring up GSC now, not at the same high level...fewer users??? Looking at the TWI home page again - "Contact us" - write (address). Good grief, don't they understand that internet users like to click on a button and contact people that way? (Somebody at TWI knows that.) They can only be afraid of the deluge of abusive emails they would otherwise receive. Though they would rationalize and say that people would write by snail mail if they were really interested. No doubt they haven't thought out the converse. If people write to them, they get people's email addresses, IP addresses, can track/trace who's who that way. Though those fear tactics are well defused now for most old-time denizens of the Cafe.

That is exactly the "idiom of permission." Which, in Wayspeak, is throughout the OT because the devil's work was hidden. The people didn't know about the devil because they were not so spiritually aware. Rather than give the devil the credit (?) for the catastrophe, God ascribed it to Himself. [i'm not saying I agree or disagree with this, just reporting Wayspeak.] But in the NT, JC exposed the workings of the devil and Paul says we are not to be ignorant of the wiles of the devil. Somebody earlier said that it's because we don't have a big enough picture.

Maybe, WW, but he also said something about young people in an airport. Maybe it was something recited by LCM in that video VP & Me. Arrogant b@stards - both of 'em.

I think this was from PFAL: VPW is at an airport. Some enthusiastic young Christians approach him to "witness" to him - they weren't even Wayfers, either! Ah, he says, "I've forgotten more scripture than they know." Or was it, "Than they'll ever know"? At the time, I thought: Wow, what an ego. How does he know what they know? Now, I think: Yeah, he really did forget. He forgot heart, kindness, compassion, care for others. He forgot about "walking in the steps of Jesus Christ" - even though TWI had a song about that. He forgot what the scriptures are all about.

Some more history that I missed. You folks with VPW surely have some interesting tales to tell. Those of us who suffered under LCM can simply tell of his yell-fests. Mind you, he did say some wacky things at times.

I don't remember ever seeing this book or hearing reference to it while I was in TWI. Perhaps it had already been withdrawn. Maybe my brain refuses to drag this junk up any more, LOL?

Thanks, Waysider. I noticed this: "1 new from $201.04 14 used from $30.50" Methinks those who wish to sell for $201 will be waiting a long time. The 2nd hand book sellers have prices from $30 to $195. And here's me using this sort of stuff for firelighting.