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The RC church has given this priest a loan to hire a top-flight lawyer. I wonder if the RC church will make a grant to the boy/his parents for counseling for the boy? Everyone's entitled to a defence. But how about the priest gets honest? Honest to God first, then to everyone else? Wonder how many parishes this priest has been shunted around, to cover up previous allegations? Maybe appropriate justice would be to allow the boy to launch a mighty kick at the priest in his "privates."

Another sad case. Glad it got thrown out - she got costs against the church! And not only the church that abused this woman. At a "splinter group" led by that leader's son ... the son is facing charges of sex abuse of children in the congregation. blogspot Should we invite her over here, for coffee and cake? From BGBCs statement of faith: V. We Believe In Spiritual Authority. God Himself has established order in every area of our lives, and the church is no exception. God in Scripture has clearly given us the structure of authority for the church. Christ is the head of the church and He mediates His rule through the shepherding of godly elders (pastors) (5). These elders (pastors), having a high view of God and Scripture, being devoted to the preaching, teaching and practicing of sound doctrine, and being examples of personal holiness before the congregation, are responsible to lead the church. The Bible teaches that the congregation is accountable to the elders (pastors) and that the elders (pastors) are accountable to God. Therefore, all decision-making authority is vested in the elders (pastors), who shepherd the church (6). RED FLAG! RED FLAG!

I always enjoy watching the Paralympics. Those are people that are less than perfect - "visual, physical or intellectual impairments" - they're people who could easily say - I can't do that, oh look at me, I'm a victim. But they don't. They say: heck, I'll still play basketball, even from a wheelchair. I'll still run 100m even though I have artificial legs. I'll still swim even though I'm autistic. I'm blind but I'll still throw you over my shoulder (judo). Did you see the runner Pistorius, whose legs are amputated below the knee? He insists on running with able-bodied runners - doesn't get enough competition from disabled runners. And commentators complained that his blades might give him an unfair advantage!!!!!!! Pistorius at the Olympics Paralympics

I was in rez a lot later than most of you posting here. In one series of Corps teachings (I think it must have been Corps not SNS - OldSkool's wife might remember, she might have been around about that time) LCM spent very much time "teaching" about meanings for the different words used for "evil." One such word was poneros; another kakos. One being "unproductive" evil (ie that caused by not doing something that you ought to be doing - passive evil. The other being "corrosive" evil - actively doing wrong. Don't ask me which was which, and if there are other Greek words. I think maybe there were. All rubbish, probably. Anyway, the point I wanted to make is, how much more unproductive can TWI be? With control-meister Rosie ensuring that nothing except highly scripted stuff is ever allowed to escape those hallowed, sorry hollowed, walls, how much more "unproductive evil" emanates from that place? (Not to mention the "corrosive evil" when something does escape.) Patriot, you might remember something of this too. Unless you also choose to forget it!!

And these people thought they could teach us "Greek" etc. They don't understand English. And their errors in understanding the English language (in particular verb construction and tenses) pass all the way down until PFAL grads somehow reinvent themselves as knowing grammar, sentence construction etc...because they heard something in PFAL or copied it from some other person up the Way food chain. Blind leading the blind...and so they all fall into misunderstandings and total ignorance...whilst all the time thinking themselves wise. I don't think there was ever a lack of leadership. It's leadership in an appropriate direction that is lacking.

Steve and Chocky -- exactly! Lynn doesn't even hear what he himself says... doh!

We hear ya, John. That's zackly what we do here at the Cafe. Regarding both categories you identify.

Would you believe it! John Lynn, in his Living Truth newsletter, Aug 2012, said this: What a great answer to my post #15 of a few days ago.

Think right from the beginning when I was being nagged to take PFAL, I asked about this "donation" and said, a donation is a free-will, voluntary, payment. If I don't "donate" can I still take this class? Of course the answer was no. So I said, it's not a donation at all, then; it's a charge, a fee. No, it's a donation. I only took the class to shut up those pushing me. And then I felt tricked into something. And then I tricked myself into continuing for ... years. "Donation" is now one of those words that causes me to look very narrow-eyed and carefully at what is actually going on. And at what is to become of my "donation." I have to say, I haven't come across it in the Christian context.

Clearly gold medallists in the foot-in-mouth competition. :eusa_clap:

That was "tantamount" not "paramount," Steve.

Wouldn't they have to get married at the annual mass wedding-fest? Oh, just remembered. There aren't enough in rez Corps to make a mass of anything.

Trick of the Adversary, doncha know. Those in the secular business realm ... simply do not love you like the leaders in TWI do. (Thank God.)

"Teaching" and "ministry" in context of TWI spin-offs is a real contradiction in terms. Fits like a hand in a boxing glove .... when doing the laundry. Jesus taught by example - was right there with people, showing how life was to be lived. With all its joys and hardships. Peter taught by example - was right there with people, showing how life was to be lived. When he fell short, there was a public confrontation and Peter changed his ways. Only later did the early apostles separate themselves. And then, their mantle passed, to Philip, to Paul, to others. Paul taught by example - was right there with people, showing how life was to be lived. Supported himself but made collections to give away to help those in need. No record he hoarded any money from his work, or from collections. Timothy taught by example - was right there with people, showing how life was to be lived. Paul was there, and wrote to him, showing how the example was to be set. Teaching ministries... ...Mother Teresa? David Wilkerson? Nicky Cruz? ...Ordinary people in your community?

Only if you have blinkers on and your deaf aid turned off. We in the UK build a more caring society. Caring doesn't mean socialist, it means caring. Not greedy. Not sold out to materialism and "Can't pay? Tough, no care for you!" Keep your opinions to yourself, DailyBlot...err, Jot. But this isn't the politics forum. Just watched the closing celebrations. Lotsa Brit talent and eccentricity on display. Good fun. Well done to all the Brit athletes, who did really well comparitively - third after two very much more populous nations. Well done to all the athletes, whether or not they won anything. They gave their best, they ran their races [or whatever] well. Tremendous to watch. All of them.

The article excerpted states the convention was 4 and 5 June 1955. Not in February 1956, as in TWI: LIL.

My FB account...is hardly ever visited. I use it mostly for looking for people who I used to know, to see what they're up to. And where they are now, so that I can avoid them, if ex-Wayfers. I prefer friends in the flesh not in the ether.

Been pondering this a while. And the question is: HOW WILL YOU RECOGNIZE A FALSE PROPHET? A FALSE APOSTLE? Yes, I know that scripture says that if what the prophet prophesies doesn't come to pass, you shall not be afraid of that prophet: And yet, some prophecies were were never fulfilled in the lifetime of that generation...though they were, perhaps, centuries later. There were false prophets from the beginning (obviously; Deuteronomy is an early book); and there are warnings throughout the whole Bible. Look at 2 Cor 11 and 12, for example: Is it whether they ask for money? Financial support? Contributions to their mission in (name a country/city)? Yet many genuine workers for God are supported by churches and congregations, couldn't survive otherwise. Also, it's not that they're 100% accurate... (are they Trinitarians? Non-Trinitarians? I've heard both types speak wonderful words concerning God - and not so wonderful words, from both types. In light of how many televangelists, cranks and snake oil salesmen proclaim they have the word of God - how does one know? Some sound good, Biblical. We were all fooled once - otherwise we'd not have fallen into the false ministry that is TWI. So having been fooled once, how do we know we aren't being fooled again when we go to church, tune into the God channel, whatever. How do you know that you know that you know?

Folks, Shiftthis has been a member here since May 2008 - but he has been a part of TWI for many decades. He's made only 131 posts (as at today) so maybe he doesn't come here often, even as a lurker. He hangs out with innies, with splinter groups... nuff said. Remember how long it took you, once you made the decision to leave, to start to clear your brain of the treacle coursing through its folds. And once you found this place, maybe you were so revolted by what you read that you couldn't believe it either. Be patient with Shiftthis. Eventually he might "get there." Or "get it." Or something. His critical thinking skills are shot to pieces; might not have been brilliant to start with. There's no instant fix for Waybrain. Hey, got an idea. (calls to off-stage) Paw, how about charging for GSC 101 - Power for Abundant Listening? Followed by an Intermediate class in Empathy & Compassion?

It would have been really helpful if part of in rez training had included talks from Jewish leaders - instead of re-runs of PFAL and other classes, and plodding through Light Through an Eastern Window (KC Pillai). A real Jewish understanding could have brought a lot of new perspectives to Christianity. (Oh, dang, there I go again, confusing TWI with a Christian organization.) Luther tried to convert Jews near him to his brand of Christianity. When they wouldn't listen, he turned viciously against them. Sounds familiar?

My thoughts exactly.

Soooo ... has anyone actually looked at their website, or article(s) about kindness? (And don't be unkind, folks. Set an example.)

Doncha like the conclusion "freely show his kindness"? :unsure:

So very right, Excie. Well... not new unless you're in TWI.

My oh my. Don't know why I did this, but I looked at TWI's website just a few moments ago. And on the front page is a little heading (which someone is smart enough to hyperlink) announcing "What's new" and underneath, a big banner announcing "God's Kindness to Others." This is apparently a series of short articles about ... well, God's Kindness. Link to their website (Click at your own peril) A skim of the articles shows lots of Bible verses with descriptive words beneath, usual TWI style. No particular examples of what "kindness" might look or sound or feel like. Leader article concludes as follows: This sounds like such a wonderful thing to be doing. Except that having been on the receiving end of so much "kindness" from TWI, I'd rather be anywhere else ... like being in one of many of the churches in this city, which do know what kindness really is.On the plus side, this Kindness section of their website does look quite well done. Beautifully whitewashed, you might say.