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Mike, Since you put so much stock in what is written try this on one...IT IS WRITTEN...can a tree bring forth both evil and good fruit? Can a spring bring forth both sweet water and bitter? Sexual coercion of women, stealing others words and claiming them as your own to support your claim to be the one and only MOGFOT, the arrogant need for mass adulation are not mere character flaws resulting from the human condition. These actions are so OUTLANDISH and beyond the pail, that we should rightfully re-examine and screen everything that we swallowed from this putrid, stinking cesspool with the finest filter we can find. I agree that truth is where we find it. If we find that VPW said something that is true, then it is true but it is not true because God conferred upon this loathesome charlatan the title of MOGFOT. Wake up Mike, the coffee is burning in the pot!

As long as the ABS came rolling in and classes full of new "waybots" were running, do you really feel that leadership really gave a .... about what was being done to children?

IT IS WRITTEN...by their fruits you shall know them.

Maybe a good dessert wine like a sauternes or tokai because life is now sweet and im finished with twi.

IMHO, the M&A's, breaking up of families, sexual and mental abuse, "the present truth," were only symptoms and not the cause and that cause is still there. Namely, the superior, sanctimonius idea that "We got it and you don't and if you want to be on God's side you better come with us."

Let's suppose that the rumors are correct that TWI is now a kinder and gentler place. There are no more M&A's. There is no more tearing families apart. All the abusers of the past are now humble and pentitent or are gone. They have brought back VPW's version of the class (narrow lapels, tie and greasy hair and all). Would you go back?

gee, I am feeling sooo inadequate...i have never had a problem with any dangling member of my person being submerged in water...and i think that do have such complaints are slightly exaggerating the problem.

OM, Where did you get such a twisted view of the message of Christ? Aren't we called to act from love as God acted from love when he gave His Son? Where do you find that God compels us to act from any other place. Sure, He asks us to submit to His Will but even that is to be done from love not from a sense of duty as a slave for a master. Didn't Paul express this clearly in I Corinthians 13 "if I...have not charity, I am nothing."? TWI was able to manipulate us because we allowed them to define what our duties were. If you accept the idea that God made us to be "duty-bots" then it is no wonder why you look back on your days in TWI-1 so glowingly.

im always naked

I agree that we should accord John Lynn the same civility that we would accord anyone else who posts here...no less and certainly not more. However, if he comes here to proselytize for CES as he did at another ex-way forum, do expect him to face some very tough questions and an examination of his mindset.

Hope, Maybe Twi will consider suing Jesus next since Jesus never got the "The Way" moniker tradmarked.

One could easily get the impression, by oldies continuing to derail the accounts of the victims of twi perpetrated abuse (physical, mental, sexual)by minimizing their suffering and by shifting blame and responsiblity to them, that he is not who is says he is. Rather than a ex-twier just trying to offer a balanced perspective, one could consider quite validly that Oldies is and always has been an twi operative whose mission is to subvert the quest for truth and to discourage others from airing their stories.

AAARRRGGGHHHH. I'm leaving 80 degree spring days for snow??? I can only hope my son understands the G R E A T sacrifice I am making for him. Hmmmm...that sounds like my mom talking.

hi wwjlaughat, Nice to have you at GSC. I will pretty much echo what others have said with just this one piece of advice. Do not enter into this relationship with the expectation that you will change him or win him over by "your loving example." Rather, decide that what you see is what you get with him. Love isn't love until it is given away without attachment or expectation. If it were my decision to make I would give more weight to the man's character and love for you than a label. It is so easy to apply a label to ourselves and others and think somehow that it determines one's qualifications as a mate, friend, or business associate. By the way, VPW was wrong about how he could put any two believers together and if the renew their minds their minds to the Word (a la twi) they could make it work. Just look at all the Way Corps divorces.

Usually a visiting leader at an event was given the proceeds of a special offering (after they had soaked us for the regular ABS). It was assumed that the leader received all the proceeds of that offering but who knows? I once remember at AC '79 VP was given a brand new car that was presented to him as being from all the students at the AC. I never remember being asked to make an offering for that purpose when I registered for the class. I thought it to be unethical that I was forced to contribute to the gift of the car without my consent or knowledge especially since I was counting my pennies to make ends meet on the WOW field.

Maure (templelady), I absolutely could not agree with you more about "taking the plunge" with one's spouse, innie or otherwise. Sticking one's head in the sand or going through the motions and pretending to everything is ok by ignoring the elephant in your living room have serious consequences on your and your partner's emotional health not to mention your children. As scary as it is an honest and open discussion about how you truly feel and where you see the relationship going is the only wise path. We usually are so terrified of change that the hell that we are living in seems less threatening to us than upsetting the apple cart for the sake of what we really need as humans. What I have seen over and over in my life is that when we take those first timid steps situations change and always for the better. When you shift from a position of co-dependence to one of authenticity things amazingly realign with that shift. Personally approves the wine list.

Praying for your move. I hope all goes well. Personally approves the wine list.

Happy Birthday...to my dear, dear friend. You are a precious gift to everyone who knows you. God Bless you. Personally approves the wine list.

Happy Birthday ((((Dot)))) Personally approves the wine list.

Paw, Thank you for the response. I actually had the problem of logging in with IE before I downloaded Mozilla last night. I tried to send someone a private topic and was not able to do so. I thought perhaps that it was because I was not logged in. Personally approves the wine list.

rottie, to answer your question i am o negative my father was ab positive. mom was o negative. so that cant be right. Personally approves the wine list.

I would tell them that I have moved on with my life and perhaps they should consider the possibility of getting a life. Personally approves the wine list.

When I sign enter forums from my home computer I get the message that I am not logged in and requests that I login. When I click on login nothing happens and the message still says you are not logged in. Anyone have any ideas? Personally approves the wine list.

who says we are seniors? Maybe we are freshman? Perhaps, we are even in nursery? Personally approves the wine list.

oh by the way daryl...i honor you for your courage and extend to you my friendship without reservation or conditions. Perhaps love is really all we need. Personally approves the wine list.