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Ooops - I was supposed to get back with on the cost of the suite. Here's what I have Cost of 2 bedroom suite (very comfortable for 6, could easily add in more) Cost including 14.85% tax is $199.51 per night, or $399.01 for two nights. Divided 6 ways, it is $66.50 each for a 2 night stay. Cost of 1 bedroom suite (very comfortable for 4, could easily add in more) Cost including 14.85% tax is $143.50 per night, or $287.01 for two nights. Divided 4 ways, it is $71.75 each for a 2 night stay. So, the more the merrier, and the cheaper per person!

Ex10, In this particular thread, the only person I think is striking with venom in ckmkeon. And I feel for him because he does appear to be stuck. He's so confused that he seems incapable of taking in any new information that could help him escape his plight. And the irony of all this, is that ckmkeon is more aligned with camp 1, and it was his bitterness and venom that set me off and prompted my initial post. But I got sidetracked on the war zone between the two camps, and addressed that rather than ckmkeon's refusal to entertain new information and his habit of just striking back with venom. I know that many posters experienced atrocities at the hands of way ministers and my heart and prayers are with them in their healing process. Although the perpetrators have not acknowledged the he11 they caused in the lives of their victims, other posters here have done so. This validation seems to be helping those who were victimized receive some healing in those areas of their life. For many, it will be a long process, and my prayers will continue to be with them throughout their journey. Initially, I was confused by your statement "please don't judge others by your own experience". But after re-reading my post, I can understand where you would think that I was addressing those who suffered abuse, when actually I was referring to "Some who are in camp 2 did not suffer abuse, but still have bona fide reasoning for their opinion." It is their dwelling in bitterness that concerns me. As you can probably tell, I am still in the healing process myself. I have pretty much come to terms with the sorrow I experienced at the "death" of the twi I knew and loved due to the evil pervading the leadership. What I struggle with daily is the war zone in my home. I continue to be thankful for the benefits I received from twi, and am confronted with bitterness because of my stance. In my visits to the GSC I have tried to glean information to help me understand the reasons for this bitterness. Some doors of communication have been opened due to my contemplation of the posts here. While mulling over your post tonight, I realized that what prompts me to respond to many posts are the emotions they stir up related to this daily struggle, rather than to the content of the post itself. And because I am reacting to my personal struggle, my comments are misdirected, and, therefore, easily misunderstood. Thank you for helping me to see this. I will try to avoid this in the future.

Ex 10, You are so refreshing. When things start to heat to a boil, your observations always seem to be on target. Keep "butting in", you're doing a great job.

WordWolf, I always enjoy reading your posts. Your presentations are well thought out and logical. I have learned a lot from you. Your descriptions of the categoreis are much better than mine. GSC is a great forum for healing and heated discussions are good. My concern is for the few posters who strike with venom in many of their posts. I wonder if they have chosen to remain wounded because they cannot or will not face the pain inherent in the healing process. Instead of facing their pain, they spew it outwards onto others in hopes that it will dissipate their inner turmoil. If this is true, and they are stuck in this bitterness, can they ever heal? That is my concern for them, not their group/camp. There seem to be people in this stuck mode which fit into each of the categories you described above.

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Most posters on these threads were at one time involved with twi. During our tenure there we had a variety of experiences, both good and bad. At some point, we felt the association was no longer of benefit to our lives and decided it was in our best interests to leave. For some the parting was sorrowful, but uneventful. Regrettably, for some it was tragic due to the abuse they suffered. After leaving, most of us learned (of or more about) the unconscionable acts that were committed by vpw and other leadership. Our reactions to this knowledge, and especially that related to vpw, has impacted how we view our experience with twi. There seem to be at least two prevailing viewpoints. Camp 1 - Those who are horrified and disgusted by the evil and do not forgive/excuse/ ignore/deny these acts. However, they feel the acts do not erase nor negate the benefits received from twi, and, therefore, do not dismiss the good because of the bad. Camp 2 - Those who are so horrified and disgusted by the evil that they can no longer feel that any good can be associated with vpw or twi. Therefore, they dismiss the good along with the bad. Although I adhere to the belief of camp 1, I can understand the reasoning for the belief of camp 2. If I had suffered the abuse some posters experienced, I may have found myself in camp 2, also. Some who are in camp 2 did not suffer abuse, but still have bona fide reasoning for their opinion. I don't think one is necessarily right, and the other wrong; both camps have valid viewpoints. This is the point where I think we posters can respectfully acknowledge that we agree to disagree instead of creating a war zone of camp 1 versus camp 2. Many have come to a point where we can accept and validate the differences in our viewpoints, rather than belittling and battling one another. Some posters do not seem to have reached that point yet, as captured well by allan w. The bitterness I read (and hear between the lines) here from SOME of the camp 2ers is disconcerting. I have no problem with anyone expressing anger or other negative emotions. It’s the dwelling in bitterness that concerns me because it indicates that the person is still hurting and in turmoil. How did the anger become a deep-seated bitterness? Is it the more they read, the more bad they discover, the more deeply embittered they become? Do they feel that they allowed themselves to be hoodwinked and are immensely angry with themselves for this and cannot forgive themselves? Has their ego been irrepairably damaged? Do they feel that if they can no longer trust or have confidence in the Bible, God, other people, etc., well, by dam*, no one else can either? They seem to have become so angry, unhappy, and defensive that they take those negative passions out on others in order to deny or relieve themselves of their emotional pain. This pain seems to control the tone of their replies to those they disagree with and rushes out in venomous words which can be quite hurtful to others. When a camp1er tells of positive experiences they hold on to, they are rebuffed by 'personal experience in a cult is no guarantee for truth', and fail to see that they (the camp 2er)are elevating their own personal experience of the bad as truth, while denying those in camp 1 the same liberty. GSC offers a very positive and therapeutic environment where people can come and explore/vent/etc. their confusion/anger/despair with twi. It's refreshing to see how many have come (or are coming to) grips with their anger, and I hope many others can reach that point also. Seems it would be profitable for each of us to confront our own demons instead of trying to pave a road to hell for someone else. Instead of living in a war zone, wouldn’t it be better to accept each other’s reality of their feelings about twi/vpw? IMHO, the acceptance of the other person’s reality is the only true pathway to peace. Agreeing to disagree is healthy and nondestructive.

Have really enjoyed reading this thread. Johnny Lingo, I have especially enjoyed your posts as you seem to be able to state so succinctly many of my opinions/beliefs.

Happy Birthday. Enjoyed meeting you several years ago when our family was coming through your area. Think we met for breakfast at Shoney's or some place like that. Hubby always enjoys meeting up with his GSC buddies whenever and wherever he can. And I enjoy being along for the ride with him. Hope your day is wonderful! Suda

Well done, Paw and Chas. Enjoyed listening to your informative chat.

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Very good and informative. Now I'll have to find the first podcast and listen to it. Bravo to Belle, you are a gutsy gal. I have a great deal of respect and admiration for you.

So it could be either one? Still a little confused, but I'll go with Eugene Levy Cheaper by the Dozen 2 Bonnie Hunt

Congratulations! Keep us posted on the nominations and "the Pulitzer goes to"'s. Just to be nominated makes you a winner!

When I was a youngster, we had Good Friday and "Easter Monday" off - like our spring break. My family always headed out Thursday after school to our cottage at the beach. What fun - swimming, sailing, tanning, playing. It was always a blast. On Easter Sunday we often visited the Presbyterian Church there on the intercoastal waterway. Sitting in the sanctuary you could see the water and it was so peaceful. Made up for the typical Presbyterian teachings of how we were all sinners and lowly worms, undeserving of God's goodness. Guess only North Carolina celebrates "Easter Monday". When I moved to TN, no one had heard of it.

When I attended the seminar on explaining What Happened - after POP, etc. That's the first time I heard the teachings on Mark and Avoid. It was so off the Word, I exited. Knew then twi had turned from a wonderful fellowship to a cult, and wanted no part of it.

The 2 bedroom suite is actually a one bedroom suite adjoining to a one bedroom room. So if not as many people can come, we can drop the extra bedroom, and just keep the suite. If more come on board, we can add more rooms, maybe with double beds, to keep the cost down. And everyone just hang out in the suite. I'll post more on the cost information tomorrow. Don't have it with me right now.

So would it be Eugene Levy Cheaper by the Dozen 2 Bonnie Hunt or Mean Suvari American Beauty Kevin Spacey ?

Never faked - always was and is inspired utterance. And I hear lots of differences in languages and messages. They are a blessing to me.

I'll give it a try - hope I read the rules correctly! Cheaper by the Dozen 2 Bonnie Hunt Return to Me

This afternoon I reserved a 2 bedroom suite at the Radisson - Center City. Can sleep 6 comfortably, and we can make room for more. As we get more input, I can change the room size if needed. As they only have a few, thought I'd better grab one while available. 2 bedrooms with king sized sleep number beds, pull out sofa, 2 baths, dining/living room, 3 tvs, microwave, refrigerator. Got one on a higher floor the capitalize on the view. What do you think? Bowtwi and CoolWaters - you are planning to stay with us, aren't you? It will be so sweet being suite mates with you two. Don't disappoint us by trying to drive back home at night after partying with us. We wouldn't want to have to give dmiller your home addresses to pass on to his friend in blue and have him come arrest you for being a party pooper. Not a good example of a GGGW!

Radison Center City sounds great! Do they have any 2 bedroom suites in case lots more ladies are interested in joining us? I'll be glad to make the tentative reservations when y'all are ready. May not be able to make any changes if use Expedia, so we'll have to have definite committments to book through it. Sounds like it's going to be a blast. CoolWaters, let me know what you need me to do. The stew would be hard to bring on the plane, though I'm sure Sudo would make some. Also, think it's better camp food than city food. Let me know what y'all want me to do on this matter. Looking forward to going wild (not totally bezerk, though) with all you ladies. If the lads are planning something, put Sudo in the loop, please. See you in July! Suda

Alright, ladies. We now have a tentative date. As June was so busy for lots of folks, how does JULY 14 THROUGH 16 sound? Please post and let us know who can attend. Right now it's Cool Waters and me for sure, and maybe Belle and Shellon Fockler-North. Any others out there - sure hope so! I'm going to try to get some bonus points together to use for a suite up there for our lodging. Should have a kitchen so we can do some simple breakfasts and lunches. Maybe eat dinner out one night. Let us hear from you soon, please! Suda

Happy 50th. Think you'll love this decade it's been my favorite so far. Is Oak going to give you a spear in celebration of your birthday? Sounds like a great way to celebrate to me! Hope y'all have a wonderful day together.

Happy birthday, and many more! Have been trying to find more information on your case. Any links you can suggest?