GrouchoMarxJr

C'mon John...tell us how you really feel and quit holding back.

I'm the first one to claim that the "good old days" of twi are a myth...the real good old days were the people who lived their lives honestly with heart felt expectations and free spirits...yes, I smoked dope at the roa in 1976 and had a great time! I remember sitting in my tent at the roa passing a doobie and alternating between way productions music and the Greatful Dead...of course, we learned that we were "immature Christians" and soon shed those fun days for stringing chairs at Emporia and goosestepping to the mog's directives... ...and soon we became homogenized wayfers...but when I first got in twi (1975), we used to have great fun...and people came to our twig in droves. When twig ended, the beer came out of the fridge and the joints were rolled...it never crossed our minds that there was anything wrong with what we were doing...no judgemental attitudes, nobody was trying to climb the waytree, and the egos were subdued...we simply loved each other and had great fun...

I agree that an apology from twi at this point would be quite meaningless... ...however, if they wanted to do something constructive, they could refund my money to me. 13 years of abs, all the dough I spent on classes and seminars, and they could throw in one of those cushmans...I always enjoyed riding on those... ...do ya hear me Rosie?

I agree with templelady...I come here to speak my mind rather than to socialize...although I have nothing against socializing... ...My perception of GSC is that it's a place to take part in discussions that, at times, become heated and antagonistic...and that's FINE with me. If we were all likeminded, we would probably still be wearing nametags...and I threw mine in the fire on uncle Harry day a long time ago. It's not that I am not mindful of other people's feelings, but this is, at times, a volitile website...like my old football coach once said... if you aren't prepared to get hit once in awhile, then don't put on the pads. Love and kisses...

...Ah yes, the reckless idealism of youth...but of course that was before goosestepping legalism replaced the free spirit of having fun.

Patriot....Good Gawd! I left in 1987 and it was no where near that bad yet...It never ceases to amaze me how cotrolling and anally retentive the twi leadership became...what were these people thinking? Talk about being totally self deluded...this is not the way life works...that should have been plain for any fool to see.

Well...Twi is NOT truth and i suppose that is the reason why it DOES need a defense.

Sounds like this is another aknowledgement of the impact of the GSC... ...If twi wants it current members to apologize to us...forget it! They are the current victims, as we were in the past...I want to hear it from Rosie...from the organization itself!...or it's totally meaningless. ...yes, I'd accept an apology from twi...but I would NEVER consider associating myself with them again. They, long ago, lost all credibility with me. If this a scheme to get people back for financial reasons, it is sure to backfire in their faces. In recent months there has been a large number of new comers at the GSC...folks who just left twi...glad they are here...but I imagine twi is concerned about this....perhaps this is a response to the situation they are dealing with. In any case...I think this is an example of "grasping at straws"...they are hurting badly and are getting desperate.

Jonny...Although I now reside in the great state of Ohio, I lived in Texas for 17 years! It's a magical state...the people there feel that Texas is it's own sovereign nation. They have a pride in their state like nowhere else.... ...and it's well justified. The culture of Texas, the fresh seafood from the gulf, the Mexican influence, the climate, the social offerings...the whole package...it's well worth your investment of time and heart. I wholeheartedly recommend it....especially the part you are talking about...your entire life would be like a Roy Roger's movie...

Exactly my question...you state that your club is "private"...not knowing what your private club is all about and what it stands for, makes it difficult to determine the appropriateness of letting him in. If you're a club that meets once a week to play poker and drink beer...let him in If you're a club that is concerned with your public image for some reason...black ball him. ...oh well, I guess it's moot point now.

I am sorry for your losses...I understand those feelings of frustration, lonliness, etc... ...but you're getting good advice here...get involved with SOMETHING...there's a multitude of different activities and groups out there...friends waiting to meet you...good people to build a support group where you can belong... keep your chin up, better days are coming. ...and I've read enough of your posts to know that you have a lot to give to others...and don't forget, you got LOTS of friends here. :)

I would only return if they fired Rosalie and offered the presidency to Raf...

I agree wholeheartedly with dmiller's post. Twi's teaching was that there is a "power" inside your mind that can effect circumstances outside of your body...some folks have called it witchcraft...I simply call it hogwash! There is a massive difference between believing God and twi's "law of believing"...insidious is the right word.

I might as well throw in my 2 cents worth... When it comes to the subject of the pfal class, I am opinionated...and I often express my opinion concernng the pfal class and it's "teacher" Vic Wierwille. If someone here want's to believe that pfal is the greatest thing since sliced bread, that's up to them...I don't expect them to change their minds because of what I post...so why bother? I feel much the same way that Mark O feels about this subject...it's my opinion that pfal does more harm than good to a person, that it's destructive in nature...I also believe that there are many lurkers and others who read these posts. Therefore, when someone wants to sing the praises of pfal, I feel that it's my right to express an opposing view...to give the reader an alternative to consider. Besides, isn't that what GSC is all about?...exposing the truth behind this insideous cult? or have we become homogenized into a "let's all get along" and be tolerant of the pro twi viewpoint forum? Sorry, I won't apologize for attacking the pfal class...as I've said before, there's a difference between attacking the issue and attacking the poster. The pfal class is fair game...If I assert that believing in pfal will mess you up...and you happen to believe in pfal...well, nothing personal but if the shoe fits.... Look...I had 13 years of my life sucked out of me by this huckster and his snakeoil class...I'll let you know when my 13 years of posting is over...Love and kisses to all

...Just to throw a little gasoline on the fire... ...I also heard Wierwille say (with my own ears), that Hitler was on the "right track" with his goals in genetic engineering...or as some of us like to call it...selective breeding. Wierwille liked the concept of the superiority of the arian race...I mean, afterall, Gawd DID select an old German to be mog. No, oldies...you're barking up the wrong tree. Wierwille was a closet fascist. I wouldn't doubt it if he liked to wear a nazi uniform when he drugged young girls and took them to the back of the motorcoach.

Throughout my time here at GSC and previously, at Waydale...I have observed that most of the posts regarding Martindale have been in the context of his past deeds... ...Whatever he may or may not be going through at this time, is mere speculation. Has he changed? Is he repentant?...Don't know. He could always post here if he wanted to. To be perfectly honest, I really don't CARE...when he was defrocked and run off of twi headquarters, the goals of certain people were met. A dangerous lunatic was muzzled. Now that he is out of the picture at twi, he's only a curiosity...wondering about what he's doing now is like driving past a car wreck slowly...just to see what happened. I am more concerned to see what happens to all those people that he hurt...Until Martindale decides to step forward and sincerly apologize, I can only assume that he feels no remorse.

Throwing stones?... ...I think it's important to distinguish the difference between criticizing the poster and criticizing what the poster said. Debating issues can become very heated at times and it becomes important to choose your words wisely. examples: 1-I think that what ________________ (fill in the blank) said is idiotic. 2-I think that __________________(fill in the blank) is an idiot. There IS a difference...and remember, although we endeavor to be civil and polite, GSC is NOT a Christian website.

Indeed it does. If you deny that the holocaust happened, you are in effect, saying that Hitler has taken a bad rap...maybe he wasn't so bad afterall. No doubt that Wierwille admired Hitler...I heard Veepee, with my own ears, say that maybe we were on the wrong side in WW11...I was stunned. It is also very telling, that the posters who argue in favor of the "myth of the 6 million" are also Wierwille apologists. It's all part of the package deal...doncha know.

Some very articulate and informative posts here... ...Maybe a little too polite...but nevertheless honest and forthright. Chris Geer?...just another one of the "Veepee clones" that survived twi with their "persona" intact. It seems that many of the "top leaders" from twi have followed in thier "father in the word's" footsteps...seems that it is preferrable to these gentlemen to be the top banana of their own little group, than to regroup together into one big splinter group. Even as Veepee was obsessed with being the one in charge...so are his clones...division was inevitable. When the guru died, it became like a bad soap opera...Geer played his part, and what a part it was. Glad to hear that so many had good and positive experiences with him. Sorry but I can't say the same...never had a positive experience with him...not once. I first met Geer back in 75 or 76 when he was in charge of Maine (I think it was Maine)...Our paths crossed many times and the guy always gave me the "willies". I never liked him. If Martindale was a buffoon, then Geer was the rattlesnake...always in the background, his shifty, piercing eyes, always two steps behind Wierwille as he walked. Always thinking, always planning, always suspecting someone of something sinister...Geer, the dangerous one. With an almost "secret service" type of mentality, he would slip in and out of the shadows...doing the dirty work...knowing where the bodies were hidden and where the secret stash of weapons and ammo were...The John Lithgow of twi, the one who smiles when he kills...Yes, I remember Chris Geer...I remember him well.

After 13 years of intense devotion to twi, I finally came to a place in my life where I realized that my spirituality was a personal thing...I realized that I must first eliminate anything and everything that had become a "filter" for my faith. I am no longer interested in joinng any churches or religious organizations. If I NEED other people to reinforce my belief system, then it detracts from my own efforts to develope a one on one relationship with God. When Paul was first converted to Christianity, didn't he go into the desert by himself for 13 years?... If you have found a church that satisfies what you're looking for, fine...whether it is based on "doctrine" or on "nice people", that's your choice and I do not condemn any of you for it...but as far as what's best for me... ...fellowshipping with other believers and interacting within the spiritual body of Christ has nothing at all to do with organized religion.

I'd like 2 admission tickets to holodeck 7 please, featuring "The Klingons meet the nazis" Now we'll see who the master race is!

...and I don't care if we slip or slide, because his foot is magnetized, sittin' on the dashboard of my car.

...42... ...same as Galen? :blink:

Another point to consider... Twi has always been deluded with thir own "self importance". How many times has twi declared that THEY saved the entire planet from an attack from the devil? They feel that, because THEY are the only ones who know the "truth", that the devil has made them his top priority... Of course, one of the problems with this theory is that hardly anyone has ever heard of twi...so? So, by focusing on the GSC, they actually have somebody talking about them! They can point out each and every post, dissecting them with a mathematical exactness and a scientific precision, they can demonstrate how the wiley demons have infiltrated the minds of all of us copouts...they can point to our website and say..."Look everyone, the devil is trying to destroy twi!!!" When you build an organization on a "we versus them" mentality, it helps to actually find a "them" to point out. The truth be told, twi doesn't amount to a pimple on a frog's foot.

...So, (In an attempt to bring this thread back to subject)... ...It would be interesting to hear of Freud's weekend and whether he sees lcm or not...and if he does, whether he makes a reference to the GS Cafe... ...Who knows, maybe Martindale will post here... C'mon Craig...There's plenty of folks who would love to share some thoughts with you.