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You're absolutely right Penguin...they don't talk to him because he's "absent". They also don't allow him to be the head of the body because they have replaced him with a mean spirited lesbian administrator... ...but hey, they "walk in his steps" dontchaknow...twi is to Christianity what Jack Kevorkian is to physical restoration.

His wife and children still live in the corps chalet for free...she DOES still go by the name "Martindale"...

Supress your emotions, bury your intuition, ignore your gut feelings, DO NOT follow your heart... ...Sounds like a recipe for becoming a glassy eyed, mindless cult member... ...and we bought into it...

So...Donna Martindale has taken Dorothy Owens old job...hmmm, I wonder if she teaches them how to "lead songs" too?...Come to think of it, she DOES look a little like Dorothy in her advanced years...

That IS the question that nobody seems to have an answer for...Is lcm really out of the picture?...maybe, maybe not. The question of why he chose Rosie to replace him still bothers me...She has NO charisma...NONE!...even the most faithful twiers must fall asleep when she speaks... Had Martindale been serious about replacing himself...he never would have chosen her...just my opinion. Is there a statue of limitations when lcm could return as king okie again?...maybe he's just biding his time? Although he'd better not wait too long...he's pushing 60. A cult without a charismatic leader is like a washing machine without a spin cycle.

Perhaps a more fitting theme for this year would be: "The Promised Land of our Lavish Lifestyle: New Marketing Techniques to Cover our Tracks and Increase our Revenue"

Hmmm...My question is... ...What is an atheist like Sudo doing in a thread that discusses biblical perspectives? "my God, my God, for this purpose did I get a root canal"...

...That's right Twinky! As the various fragments of twi shattered and splattered out across this great world, some clung to the lifeboats of familiarity...religious rituals and the reinforcement of "charismatic leaders"...For some it was Geer, others ran to Lynn's feet...many chose Vince F....and others still pitched their tents with Shroyer and Clapp...the crazier ones went with Sides ...but then there were those who had had enough...no more clinging to the heroes of yesterday...no more gathering around the campfires of "likemindedness" for the sake of false comfort and false unity...those who had a belly full of religious self righteousness...those who began to think for themselves and those who disagreed with each other and discovered that it was OK...and even healthy. A place was found...it's not a "Christian website" (although many Christians come here)...it's a place for people who share their past history of being involved with twi...and we speak our opinions...all different... a "special sort of splinter group"...and nobody here wears a nametag... :)

If you can smell the drambuie on his breath, he's too close.

I remember an album that was put out by Sue Pierce and Lynn Perrigo called "Timothy"... Great songs and vocals...but they never "shot it through" the twi prism of censorship and control and they were pushed out the back door... ...Another example of how Wierwille insisted that everything was to be be controlled by him...I remember his arrogant rhetoric of "teaching" musicians how to be "right on" spiritually. What a crock of sh *t... ...Irregardless of how much talent they had or didn't have, twi musicians were never allowed to explore the depth of their inspirations without the cornfield preacher standing over them with the hammer.

Likeminded at what cost? Back in 1987 when I sat down with a twi clergy guy and showed him where twi was wrong on many things...he actually admitted that I was right!... ...But then he went on to remind me that twi "provides for me a platform to teach to others" and if I walked away, I would lose that! Can you imagine? His logic was...even if twi is wrong in what they teach, they still provided me with an audience to proclaim those wrong teachings to!!! ...I reminded him that God is the one who opens doors and brings people who are hungering and thirsting...apparently he didn't really believe that because he chose to remain with twi and keep his position and his audience... Likeminded?...It would seem to me that even today, there are people in twi who have titles and positions of authority...who KNOW that twi is wrong! They will not admit it because they would no longer be the big frog in the little pond...they would no longer have flunkies at their beck and call, hanging on every word from their holy lips... I call THESE people gutless wonders...Likeminded believers?...a$$ kissing spit suckers is more like it.

Yeah...I had a few run-ins with Bob Moneyhands myself. He's one of those guys that's so full of himself, so self righteous, so unwilling to admit he's EVER wrong...why...he's perfect for twi!

Doglover...Ralph was a poster here at GreaseSpot (or was it Waydale?) for a brief time...Maybe if you look through the archives, you can find an Email address for him...I believe that he posted under the name of RalphD1...

Lifted up...No correction needed. :) , I appreciate the value of memorizing verses of scripture, of reading the bible with comprehension and studying the various sections of scripture that are relevant to life's situations...I think it's a good idea for Christians to understand the bible as much as possible. I was merely illustrating how twi went overboard with their nazi-like approach to "Christian education"... To me, being a living epistle is not having the ability to recite the bible by rote but to incorporate the qualities of Christian thought and behavior into one's life...but of course, knowing the scriptures is an important part of doing that.... ...peace :)

I suppose it's difficult to talk about your background when your Christian "education" came via a cult.

Exactly...Words are nothing more than vehicles to communicate the reality of what those words represent. I believe that God desires for us to "hold concepts" in our minds...to the end that we apply and live those ideas and concepts...that we actually love other people rather than having the ability to quote by memory, the verses with the word "love" in them. Twi always got caught up in the mechanics of biblical knowledge. Crossing T's and dotting I's are not nearly as important as extending your heart to those in need.

I recall an incident while in residence at Emporia...There were about 500 of us sitting there while LCM was calling on individuals to stand and recite retemories. If you missed even one little preposition in the verse, he would verbally abuse you, screaming at you, belittling and humiliating you in front of hundreds of people. It became a real "fear thing" for many people... ...The actual content of the verse was lost on his demand for gramatical perfection. Twi became so obsessed with gramatical accuracy that the heart of what the verse said became almost meaningless. It became a form of mental masturbation. Memory pegs, retemories, and other "mental excercizes" became a tool to stroke the ego...I also remember when memorizing the "Red Thread" was in vogue...There was no glory to God, it was nothing more than drawing attention to the person's ability to dicipline their mind and then put on a show for their audience. No...I couldn't tell you a single reference number used by twi retemory cards...and I don't miss them in the least.

Some very keen observations made on this thread... The power of the internet is the perfect medicine for those who are isolated with their twi experience...I, also was a poster on Trancechat, Waydale, and GreaseSpot... Trancechat was an uncensored free for all...and yes, I agree that it was Waydale that killed the beast. LCM finally messed with somebody that he really shouldn't have, the arrogant bast *rd. Thanks to Paul Allen, and his computer savy, Waydale took off the gloves and twi took a hard right to the chin... they're still laying on the mat. The GreaseSpot Cafe is the continuation and evolution of all the earlier ex-twi sites.and Chas is right when she says "it's huge". Twi never imagined that when we quit, got booted or just faded away...that we would regroup on the other side of the fence with stories to tell...and now, we are their worst nightmare.

...Hee hee hee. ...Must be able to bend over and grab your ankles upon command and be willing to stop at two beers even though your employer is guzzling drambuie all day long.

C'mon now RumRunner...You're an advanced class grad. You should know that certain demons from Hell infiltrate between the digital spaces of the electronic signals being sent. Expanding and contracting the spaces until the content is engulfed by demonic influences. Similar to what LSD does to the human brain, the nefarious spiritual powers from Hades do likewise to the Internet. I may post something that says..."Verily I say unto thee, today thou shat be with me at the local beerjoint"...but when the monsters from the black pit get through with it, it reads..."Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with me at the local beerjoint" See what I mean? I'm sitting there in the beer joint ALONE because you didn't realize that I meant TODAY...you thought I meant next Thursday or some other day! ...and drinking alone is a drag.

...Gang members is it?... First it was the "homos"...now it's the gang members. ...and I always thought that Way believers walked by revelation in God's power. Word over the world? They couldn't even control the grounds at their own headquarters from being over run by gang members! Maybe after the "flower children" all got smart and left, the children of the religious stick in the muds became the horny teenagers in tent city? Drinking beer, smoking pot and having sex...I can't imagine why they would all want to do that when they could have been sitting through king okie's latest class!... ...Imagine!

...and WHY are they doing this? Because it makes them indispensible. It provides them with a sanctuary of contrived "blessings". They live "high on the hog"and assure themselves of their own self importance as they lord over others...they highly profit from their efforts. Are they that different from Simon the sorcerer?

Thanks for reposting that letter written to Rosie by Mr Pipes... ...Rosie cannot claim that she wasn't told the truth...she simply has decided (for whatever reasons) to continue on the misdirected path that they have chosen. In my way of thinking, the micromanagement of twi on it's followers directly and obviously contradicts the biblical view of the "workings of the body of Christ", where Christ is actually the Head. In the advanced class, the twi follower is taught that they can have direct access to God and can "walk by revelation", however in a practical sense, they are subjected to the decisions made by a chain of command that originates from a centralized corporate religious system. When the blinders are lifted and the glassy eyes once again are clear, the differences between a true Christian walk and the "walk" of a twi follower becomes glaring and offensive. Offensive in the sense that they are cheating wonderful Christian people by making THEMSELVES the head of the body and thus counterfeiting the true experience of knowing Christ.

Enriching 3 years?...and you STILL believe that?... ...perhaps some professional councilling might help.