GrouchoMarxJr

I go to Krogers on a regular basis and enjoy my carniverous habits...but I do not hunt. If I had to kill to eat, I would...but I think that killing for sport is disgusting...just my opinion. Go duck go!

How very true...and what the lesson to be learned?... You gotta be careful where you hang your hat or you may end up bending over for some guy in a brown suit.

Life is too short to spend in an organization where nobody is allowed to mind their own business...that's what really chaps my arse about these cults...I recall vividly when these buffoons tried to recruit me and get me to take momentus... ...At first they "love bombed" me...I recognized this tactic immediately and with the help of google, started looking at the "other side" of CES and especially momentus...one lady in particular (who will remain nameless), sweet talked me and kept trying to get me to take momentus...when I finally told her "no"...she then showed her true colors. She literally screamed at me over the phone "WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO HIDE???"...I responded by telling her..."I believe you have it backwards, why do YOU have to pry? My personal life is none of your damn business!"...I hung up and that was my last encounter with anyone from CES... ...and now we see the fruit of this "prying cult". Everybody is trying to stick their noses in everbody elses business...dream prophesies that break up marriages, continual confrontations, confessing their sins to each other, airing their dirty laundry out in public for the sake of "cleansing" themselves, kicking each other out of the lifeboat, etc. etc. etc... Dysfunctional at best, these "chosen ones" have bitten and devoured each other and are now like the animal who chews his own foot off to escape the trap...I say they are insecure and pitiful...nothing more than pretend Christians who are so obsessed with their own self importance that, in their efforts to walk on water, they have slipped into the quicksand and are up to their necks in it. ...am I bitter?...not really, I simply believe that somebody needs to call bullsh* t on these weirdos because they deserve it...AND they are hurting people. ...and as far as the sincere followers of CES?...Fool me once (twi), shame on you...fool me twice (ces), shame on me. If you have "hung your hat" on this bunch...well you really should have known better.

...and behold, as she knelt in solemn devotion, she received that which was holy...as the latter day rains quenched her soul, she cried unto the heavens and all was opened unto her. Begorrah was the word and thus she hollered and hollered...and there was a mighty swelling...the rivers flowed freely and the prison doors were opened. The dark clouds of despair were replaced with the light of understanding and the rivers of joy flowed to the uttermost regions of the forest. Enlightenment ensued and the moistness of her soul was laid bare to her devotions...

Actually, it might be a little milky

Lo...I am here my people... Heed not to the doctrines of false dreamers but eat ye the cheesecake and be filled...sit upright and take nourishment from the fountain of my...er, ah,...my holy spear!...Yeah, that's the ticket. For in doing so, ye shall reap the rewards of being impregnated by the truth of the GWOTH seed...for it has been revealed to me that thou hast great need to be filled...to overflowing...and yes T-bone, another idiot is always welcome. Stand fast my brethen in these trying times, for I am truly warming up the bus.

My first official announcement is that Rev potato will be the music and festival coordinator for the region of the United States! potato...do you know any hot chicks that know how to dance?

It seems that the one thing they all learned best from grifter Vic was to walk with an air of superiority. I mean, it's gotta be hard to roll up your sleeves and drink a few beers with the boys...and maybe even tell a couple of off color jokes...when you carry the burden of MOG on your shoulders. My question is this...how come so many of us woke up out of this cult mentality but these guys remain clueless to this day?...Could it have anything to do with ego and a paycheck?

Dear brethren, Many of you know me as I have been a faithful employee of "satori international" for nearly 20 years. During that time, I have held numerous top positions including "apendage coordinator", "snake handler", and "keeper of the confessional booth"...in other words, I have been in on the ground floor from the very beginning. I have also authored such books as "Will the real Groucho please sit down" and "The cohabitation of spiders and scorpions". During this time, I have done my best to be kind and honest towards all those who have given us money. It is now time for me to speak up. I know for a fact that Dr. satori has, on many occasions, taken advantage of many of the young nubiles and debutants that have been attending our fellowships...AND has been using the services of Rev richnchrispy (the PIMP) to bring these innocent females into the back end of his scorpion coach. He even went as far to say that he would never be able to handle the deep things of gawd without "loosening up" in this catagory of his life. Not only that...but in the midst of numerous systemic short comings, he has also failed to deliver on his promise that he would allow me access to the cloak of invisibility as he was afraid that I would sneak into the back of the scorpion coach and record my observations...Thus, I am turning in my secret decoder ring and moving on to bigger and better things...I would suggest that all of you do likewise. It is my intention to uncover the evils that have found their way into this pit of snakes and to encourage all those of you who are truly faithful...to follow ME! :), as I will soon be incorporating gawds true ministry and calling it "Groucho's way or the highway" (GWOTH). Respectfully, Rev Groucho Marx jr PS...does anyone know where I can find a used bus on the cheap?

Hey Garth...Can I have one of your beers? This is better than "As the world turns"...

Not sure Vegan...but I believe that JAL (a number of years ago), traveled around to the other splinter groups in an effort to unite them all into some sort of conglomeration...Bo included. I heard that Vince F nearly threw JAL out of his office physically.

...or as they say in Poland..."It's 11:00, do you know what time it is?" ...to my Polish friends...just kidding, just kidding. :)

As long as one understands the "economics of spiritual truth telling", it becomes clear that we are endangering their paychecks...and of course, this brings me great glee. I would welcome the opprotunity to engage these fools in a "tag team competition"...but of course, they would never agree to meet any of us on these sacred forums...that would require them to debate with humans outside of their fantasy land of name tags and bullsh *t...and of course, they do not debate...they pontificate. John Lennon warned us about the "instant karma", Jerry Garcia sang of a "ship of fools" and Jesus spoke of the "whited sepulchers"...the bottom line is that we have been liberated from these soothsayers and charlatans, therefore we speak to those who have ears to hear. Unfortunately, many have their ears filled with scorpions (or was that their butt?)... in other words, they get no "free pass" when they enter the dining room of the GS Cafe...They would be like the guy who sticks his head through the hole in the wall at the carnival...and we would ALL be throwing tomatoes....In the real world they just don't pass the smell test.

Maybe the reason these guys never really hit the big time (or the big bucks), is that they never had a good enough gimmick...the spiders in the nose bit wasn't graphic enough...maybe they should have taken a cue from Robert Tilton. Tilton used to spread the prayer requests on the floor, get on his hands and knees and begin to crawl over them. He would then start rooting through them like a pig sniffing for truffles...all the while he would squint his eyes in contemplation...ever see an echidna? It's an animal from Austrailia that looks like a cross between an anteater and a porcupine...and it looks like it has venereal warts around it's eyes. When Tilton squinted, he looked like an echidna....the guy landed his own tv show and raked in millions...that is, until they caught him throwing the unread prayer requests into the dumpster out back. But the point is...ya gotta have a good gimmick to provide entertainment for people...the CES guys were always minor leaguers when it came to providing a good show. Personal prohesy, spider dreams, etc just wasn't enough to get most people's attention...

The first time I skitched, I needed the clorox afterwards.

Over estimating themselves is an understatement... ...This whole charade has ALWAYS been about them and their egotistical sense of self importance. It's nothing more than an extension of Wierwille's "one true ministry" concept. When they "threw out the bathwater", they didn't keep the "baby"...they kept an ugly little green monster that is full of himself.

Wait a minute...They claim to follow the Lord and to have a personal relationship with Him...afterall, he is the head of the body...right? If they are on talking terms with Him (revelation), why should their belief system be reduced to an academic excercise?...I believe this is where the rubber meets the road.

What a psychodrama!...and these guys actually believe that they have answers to help others?...They think they are Christian "leaders" called to minister to their followers?...when they bite and devour each other with insane doctrines and vicious attacks against each other?...What an example! ...I'd kick the whole bunch of them out of the life boat.

While reading the various posts concerning the use of the evil weed, I suddenly realized that I was the millionth visitor and I now have a free laptop computer coming to me! Glowwwwwwwwwwwwry!

uptown1...Maybe you could explain what you mean by "feminism"... Allowing Karen Ann Graeser to spout off her psychotic dreams, intruding into people's lives and causing great harm to them has very little to do with "feminism" as I understand it...the same madness could be perpetrated by a man as well.

You are exactly right my friend...Jerry sang the words but Robert Hunter wrote them...credit where credit is due. :B) Pink lady...don't worry about causing "division" here...We thrive on disagreeing...one of the things we were not allowed to do in twi... I would be disapointed if I read a thread where everyone agreed.

There are numerous camp locations in the Gunnison area (or not that far away) that provide rustic cabins, basic neccessities and breath taking views...and NOT associated with any cults! ...Why in the world would anyone want to step foot on those cursed grounds?...

The real question that begs to be answered is not whether CFF engages in abusive practices towards their followers...(Is that the criteria?...they don't abuse me, so they must be of God?)... The real question is do you need validation for your belief system? As satori pointed out in a different thread..."One problem with your typical religion is the way it provides a natural platform for charismatic personalities to cling to the diety's coat-tails" I have decided that for me, my spiritual journey is one that is very personal and requires me to confront myself, my beliefs, and my relationship with the Lord...alone. That's right. I am all in favor of Christians fellowshipping with each other and have nothing against structured Christian organizations...however, this is frosting on the cake and should not be mistaken for the cake itself. If you are relying on other people to validate your beliefs or to tell you what to believe or to act as a mediator between you and the Lord...I think you are "missing something" that is vital. I disagree with those who argue over doctrine...Christianity is not an academic excercise, it's about your personal relationship with Him...and the way you choose to live. As far as the "offshoots" go..."Don't lend your hand to raise no flag upon a ship of fools"...Jerry Garcia...(IMHO).

At this moment in time, a couple of ushers should have taken her by the arms and led her out of the room...once in the hallway, a sock in her mouth might have been appropriate...They could have avoided a lot of trouble had they of caught this in the bud... ...but of course they didn't...no, instead they decided that she was a "prophetess" and started taking her psychotic dreams SERIOUSLY...think about it...what does this say about THEIR grasp of reality? Straight out of twi and all their turmoil and suddenly (drum roll please), a few ex-twi leaders have become the guardian of "God's true ministry"....again...with a few added "embelishments"...primal screaming anyone? (Momentus, formerly known as "Lifespring" and before that "EST")...but that didn't really pan out so...hmmmm, I know, let's make the crazy woman a "prophetess"... I knew that Mark Graeser was as crazy as a pet racoon...and I knew that JAL "had issues that had issues"...but I'm surprised at Shoenheit...maybe I gave him more credit than he deserved.

Three of the 5 books are dealing with "Jezebel"... ...Is there an implication that Karen Graeser has a Jezebel spirit?...sounds about right to me.