GrouchoMarxJr

After that, try reading The Cult that snapped by Karl Kohler...there's a link for it here somewhere...it's a great book...hilarious and a must read for all ex twiers.

My brief excursions into Youtube have only underscored the fact that if you give an idiot a platform, he will invariably climb on it just to show how much of an idiot he really is...

When I read the post, I had a feeling that it was MG...but if not, it was certainly someone who had a vested interest in CES... I thought the use of the name "Estimated prophet" was a strange choice...it's the name of a Greatful Dead song.

I am deeply saddened at this news...My sincere condolences to you and your family...I know this is only an internet forum but he was a long time member here and we knew him well by his words, his opinions and his beliefs. This day, we are all diminished... :( ...he will be missed greatly.

Yeah, Vic paid lip sevice to that but that's not how it worked...if you disagreed with Wierwille, your foot was grass. Some people stood up and told him he was wrong about certain things and they were booted and discredited in the strongest sense. The only thing you were allowed to "make your own" was his version of it...anything else and you had problems.

In my not so humble opinion, I think the way tree was the structure that was the counterfeit to the true workings of the body of Christ and was the instrument that put people into bondage and gave control to the egomaniacs that ran twi. ...and yes, it was that snotty little Johnny Townsend who taught that seminar...the way tree was rotten from it's inception and was more like a corporate hierarchy than anything in the bible...a chain of command where Vic the grifter could seize control of people's lives without getting his own hands dirty...it was loathsome and it was decadent... ...nothing personal against you Y'Idon'tgotochurch...here, have a donut on me. :)

...And don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

Mr. Ed...Welcome to the GreaseSpot Cafe! Have a cup of coffee and make some new friends... I doubt that Mark G will get very far with his lawsuit...actually, I'm surprised that he found an attorney that would take his case...probably an ambulance chaser.

I recall an incident...I was living in Colorado at the time. There was a scheduled limb meeting high up in the rockies at some resort...there was a terrible blizzard...half the people that were supposed to be there didn't show up...I had to put chains on my tires and drive through some of the worst winter conditions I have ever seen...at one point, I lost it on the ice and spun out into a ditch...some truck came along and pulled me out...I made the meeting on time but it was stupid of me to even try... Yeah...there were some really crazy decisions made with no regard to common sense in those days. The damn meeting shouild have been cancelled...but Noooooooo, it was your chance to "believe God"... ...today I would say "bite my crank matey".

:o :o :o :o Some of us enjoy being spanked...

...Always good to know. ;)

It would appear that the end of the world is Toledo, Ohio...is she still following him?

In Rosie's case, it more like a president's closet...has she come out yet?

Now THAT is really cool...

Doing something illegal?...That's really vague. If you went out lightbearers and hitch hiked...you did something illegal. I would never have done anything for twi that I wouldn't have done on my own. suicide?...no chance murder?..no chance driving over the speed limit?...sure, I do it now all the time.

...or if you REALLY want to get a good buzz: Groucho's homemade Sangria wine: Chop up (in big pieces)... an apple, pear, peach, and lime...place together in a large pitcher add a cinnamin stick pour in 1 bottle of blackberry wine add 3 shots of orange liquer add 1/2 bottle of dark rum mix together and allow to sit in the fridge overnight pour over ice and drink... *caution...Do not drink more than 4 glasses if you have just eaten "Groucho's meatloaf"...or you may end up "driving the porcelin bus"

Buttery Nipple: Fill a shot glass 2/3 full with butterscotch schnaps and 1/3 full of Baileys tilt the glass when pouring the Baileys and pour it slowly...it will look like a parfait. Chug it down and then make another one...and another one...and another one

Probably not too many...In my experiences, I've discovered that there are far too many people in this country that can't find their arse with both hands...Did you know that over 50% of the people in Houston, Texas are illiterate?... If you have a roof over your head, food on the table, clothes on your back and can read "My Pet Goat"...your old heart should just be bubbling... :B)

I think that the programs and various activities that have been suggested are a great idea to help kids... ...but I also see a great need in our country for the men to rise up and be real fathers. There are far too many broken homes where mom is trying to fulfill the role of both parents AND work a full time job. What's happening to kids is a symptom of the family unit disintigrating. Throwing dead beat dads into jail for not paying child support is a good idea...but even if they DO pay their child support, the kids still need a father who spends time with them and supervises them and provides a role model for them. The family unit has been disintigrating in our country for some time now and it is only getting worse... Promise Keepers was a good idea as it encouraged men to dedicate themselves to their families...I think there should be mandatory classes in all public high schools that focus on the importance of the family structure and the role of a man as a father...

I took the class in 75, went wow in 76, got married in 77, went into the 10th corps in 79 (I think)... Like everybody else said, it was the next step...There was an illusion that going into the corps would make you "super spiritual" or something like that. When I went to Emporia, I discovered that there were a lot of people who were arse kissers and tree climbers...and I didn't like them much. I found myself hanging out with folks who were more low key and less interested in being "noticed". Between the huge egos and the smell of the meat packing plant, I soon realized that it wasn't my thing...the only problem was that my now ex-wife was gung ho and loved every minute of it... :( . I would have left during my first year in residence if not for her...Ironically, during our interim year, she left me, the corps and the ministry (without warning)...her rich parents paid some deprogrammers and that was that... Martindale blamed me for the whole thing ... I remained a twig leader until 1987 until the POP and then found the exit door for good... In hindsight, I would have to say that there never were any "good old days"...It was a waste of time. Too much acid during the 70's ???

Athletes of the spirit at their best.

Groucho's meatloaf: 2 lbs ground beef 1 lb ground pork 1- bell pepper finely chopped 1-onion finely chopped 2-cloves garlic finely chopped 1/2- teaspoon black pepper 2- eggs 1+1/2- cup of marinara sauce (use half of sauce to glaze over top) 1- cup of Quaker oat meal 6-fresh mushrooms (sliced) mix together ingredients, stick sliced mushrooms on top of loaf and cover with half the marinara sauce...cook at 350 for about an hour.

Rumrunner never changes!...I recall when we went to a resteraunt together, about 30 years ago...Rumrunner told the waiter to give the steak 1 minute on each side and that he wanted it COLD on the inside! and his coffee?...it's so strong that you have to sneak up on it to drink it.

What makes this a great thread is not the original question but the answers that followed... Super conqueror?...Some days I feel that I have my hands full just putting on my pants in the morning and making it to work. To me, the most important thing that I do in my life is to love other people...to honestly care about them and to be a good friend. Do I believe in God?...You bet I do. I believe that He lives within me and that there's times when he "steps aside" and winces at the things I say, do and think...other times, I am hopeful that he smiles and says "nice try Groucho"... In no way do I think that I have any right to tell other people how to live their lives...that would make me a hypocrite because of my many shortcomings and my failures...and besides, that's THEIR call, not mine. There are times that I feel that with all the hatred, violence, and devilishness in this world, it's somewhat of an accomplishment not to contribute to THAT...I would like to think that there are times that I make a difference in other people's lives...whether it's making them laugh, showing them that I care or maybe just giving them $20 when they're broke. My inclination is to think that God is an individual God and not so much a corporate God...it's the little things that nobody ever hears about that are important. I'm aware of my "sphere of influence" in this world...it's not very big, but it is mine...and I honestly try to extend my heart to others because I am aware that someday my life will be over on this earth. I feel priviledged to be a part of the GreaseSpot community, with so many of you wonderful people. Every day that I wake up, I am thankful because tomorrow is not promised to anyone...I suppose the following lyrics sum it up for me: If this earthly tabernacle were to be dissolved today I'd trade it for a better one that would not fade away but until that day arises and it's time for moving out it's such sweet peace to know the Lord still lives in this old house The sweetest fellowship I've known has fortified these walls and peace has reigned since He's been walking up and down these halls there's snow upon the rooftop now and these hinges are near wore out it's such sweet peace to know the Lord still lives in this old house To Him it's been a dwelling place, where He's held my hand in His To me it's home away from home and that's all that it really is Well it sure ain't fine or fancy but it's all I can boast about that after all these years the Lord still lives in this old house. ...peace

Maybe they don't promote it anymore...but that's only because of the negative feedback and bad publicity it generated. On a personal level, both JAL and Shoenheit told me personally that they thought it was a great training program...and this was AFTER they stopped promoting it publicly. I think that pointing out CES's involvement with momentus is a good example of their "blown about with every wind of doctrine" approach that they take to seeking spiritual "truth". I suppose that graduating from momentus to dream prophesies was an improvement? The blind leading the blind...