GrouchoMarxJr

...and of course, this is where the religious hucksters come in...poised and ready to make a dollar off someone's guilt.

I believe that the bible teaches that he is the head of the body...making intercession for the saints, directing the paths of those who follow him and know him... Where does he live?...He's seated at the right hand of God...perhaps the real question should be, where does God live?...because they have the same address. ...or perhaps God is absent too? When Vic Wierwille was a little kid in school, the teacher was taking attendance and calling out names...when she said "Jesus?"...Vic spoke up and said "he's absent but I'm taking his place"...that's sums up twi theology.

Is that so? Sets before the reader the basic keys?...Let's assume for a brief nanosecond that Mr. Wierwille was sincere in his stated purpose...he was wrong...his book did not "unfold" the word of God from Genesis to Revelation. It was merely his way of expressing his own opinions and his own theology...(which he lifted from other people)...but he lifted the wrong stuff to begin with. ...and you cannot seperate the character of the man from his "message"...they are intertwined and reflect each other. His "absent Christ" theology was set forth to make room for him to take Christ's place as the mighty mog who would sit on his cornfield throne in New Knoxville... ...The only thing that people "appropriated" from this man's "ministry" was a detour from Christian thought into the realm of man-worship. That's all we needed...another Wierwille apologist.

Groucho's 7 course summer supper: A six pack of beer and a bag of BBQ chips...

98 bucks for a book?...Hmmm, I could buy about 8 books by my 8 favorite authors for the same price... ...Can I think about it for awhile?

Sudo...I'm afraid that it will take more than a "Brazilian" for you to look like Brad Pitt...

Tony's sister NEEDS one between the eyes...

...and lets not forget how he boasted of hauling all of his theology books down to the city dump...his claim of "working the word"...using the bible as his only reference...yeah right!...maybe he burned all of those books AFTER he copied them, hoping nobody would even find out...and he claimed to have spent what?...13 years or something doing nothing but "working the word"? Hell, I could have copied all that stuff down over a long weekend...What was he doing all that time?...getting drunk and chasing skirts?

...and the thing is...he could have re-written the stuff that he lifted...put it into his own words, rearrange it, and presented it as his own in a more credible way (many ex twi leaders have done that very thing...ie: "splinter groups")...For him to have used the names, Henry Baloko, Maggie Muggins and Johnny Jumpup...shows that he had little or no imagination...or that he was incredibly lazy...if he thought that we would never find out indicates that he thought we were REALLY stupid to boot... ...What Wierwille did, you would expect from a highschool kid that was dishonest and lazy...and the highschool kid would get a big "F" for his efforts, not to mention disciplinary action... ...but this wasn't a highschool kid doing this...it was a middleaged "clergyman" with a family...and he was trying to pass it off so that he could be the man of God in the world! The man's "works" have no credibility whatsoever and he himself, was a flim flam man.

I have heard a rumor that KAG has been hired as a consultant for the next Spiderman movie... ...supposedly, the title will be "Children of the nose hole"...

My gosh, you must be proud of her...that's quite an accomplishment...good for her! I'll try to catch it in the morning...

C'mon coolchef...are you kidding me? This was a cornerstone teaching of twi...Christ was absent and therefore the "word" took the place of the absent Christ...and of course, Wierwille decided what the word said... In other words, Wierwille took the place of the absent Christ...that's how he got our money!

...And isn't that why we love to come here?...Like returning to the scene of a crime...reaffirming to ourselves that we weren't the only ones that were fu *ked over...but more than that...celebrating our liberation from "waybrain" and connecting to each other through the common experience of surviving twi...and being able to relate to each other from those common experiences... The "Spot" is where we spend time sorting things out, telling our stories...each of us...and then we see the tapestry form a picture. There is no "party line" here...there are differing opinions and folks are encouraged to think for themselves. Many of us have concluded that twi wasn't much more than a "baptized Amway"...Be that as it may, we have all learned and continue to learn...because..."Learning is an exciting adventure"!!!

That was fun to watch...

You know you are in twi if : All your old friends are telling jokes about you... You are sent to "third aid" and told to eat Golden seal to take care of your bleeding ulcer... Your branch coordinator knows more about your marriage than you do... Your wife is sleeping with the region coordinator... You often get panic attacks thinking you may be late for a meeting... You actually believe that truth can be commercialized and made into a product...

I think your "authentic self" was always there...maybe just beneath the surface...perhaps it was supressed, intimidated, made to hide, made to submit...but it was always there...it had to be, because that's who you are. ...and like the layers of an onion, the effects of twi begin to peel off and fall away...as time goes by, you realize that "you are who you are and you ain't who you ain't" (John Prine)...the real you emerges even stronger than ever. It just takes time...and a healthy environment that includes good friends, and activities that encourage you to assert yourself and simply be you... :)

He reminded me more of Wierwille than lcm...I thought it was hysterical...this guy isn't far from the same spiel you hear on WWF wrestling... There's something inside me that just wants to kick the livin' bejeziz out of em...bloody him up good...

Granted, Gibson has shown himself to have numerous issues in his personal life...but he still knows how to make excellant films. The unique thing about this film is that there is not a single English word uttered...it's all in captions and he pulls it off quite well. The brutality and the blood letting are over the top...this film should not be shown to kids or to those with weak stomachs.

...but it makes sense in a very real way...Martindale wasn't like most wayfers...Martindale was REALLY off the deep end...I mean, he wandered through a dreamworld of delusional self grandeur of such a magnitude that it's a wonder he didn't end up in a freaking straightjacket...my guess is that he's made himself a martyr in his own mind...he probably thinks of himself now as a kind of Jeremiah...the rejected prophet. He probably still has a faithful cadre of delusional cult freaks that secretly "carry messages" and nod their heads up and down when he meets with them behind closed doors...telling them that the true kingdom is being held in abeyance until such a time arrives when the true prophet of God arises once more and takes his rightful throne... ...He probably still wears his "Athletes" tights when nobody is around...he looks into the mirror and shouts "flame on"!

Who's seen this? I watched it yesterday and it blew me away! Incredible film...

I suspect one of two things... 1-He still has that arrogant attitude and refuses to acknowledge those of us who he feels are inferior... 2-He finally snapped out of his deluded mind and is too filled with guilt and remorse to acknowledge us... In either case, he a coward and a punk...

I believe he has a website also...I saw it once but was not interested enough to remember the name... I'm sure that somebody will pop in here and give you some detailed info...or you could simply do a google on his name.

40 years ago??? ...Did I slip through a time portal or something?...

...but we DO know...I think. Welcome to the cafe...make yourself at home...Evan will get you some coffee and a pastry.

Chas...ummm, Barney WAS devilish... Seriously though, what twi knew about spiritual perception was about the same amount that Moe Howard knew about brain surgery.