GrouchoMarxJr

I agree...because Jonny is a nice guy (except when I pick on him), Whitedove (the troll), tries to cotton up to him and be his pal. ok...it would seem that whitedove has an agenda...I wonder what it could be?

Now why doesn't THAT surprise me... I guess someone thought you were the man for the job... I can hear the backroom meeting now..."Let's put Lingo on the sh* t wagon"...everyone laughs and the assignment is a done deal... did they call you Rev. Honeywagon? by the way...welcome back Jonny...

Let's cut to the quick...Whiteduve and oldies are "TROLLS"...they have invested themselves into disrupting the flow of honest communication with "waybrained" disruptions... They take advantage of what Paw makes available...honest dialogue without censorship (albeit there are rules of engagement)...right Jonny?... ...and this is a format that twi NEVER would allow!...group think only...nobody gets out of line and nobody questions what they are told...but nooooooooooooo,,,these guys come to a website that is anti-twi to promote twi doctrines! As far as I'm concerned, you're both like the guy who sticks his head through the hole in the wall at the carnival and everybody throws tomatoes at you...and right about now, it's dripping off your face.

...very intense...

...and Jonny, believe me when I say that I'm a dog lover...I have two...Buddy and Peckachu...my boys. I think that dogs are the most noble creature that God ever created...I love them with a passion. ...and I'm glad you're out of purgatory...I miss cuffing you around.

How true THAT is...at Emporia, my job was to walk around the campus with a screw driver in my hand looking for chairs that had loose nuts...as interesting and as spiritually enriching as it was, I eventually ran out of chairs with loose nuts...I tightened them all...I was then told to re-trace my steps and check them all again...I was thrilled at the opprotunity to finally receive the spiritual training that I had been anticipating for so long... ...one day a tile cracked on the floor of the cafeteria...I was given the awsome priviledge and responsibility to replace it...I carefully and prayerfully worked, diggin out the old tile fragments and cleaning the recessed area...I then put in a supple amount of portland cement and then placed the new tile into the wet cement...I cleaned off the new tile and then erected a small barrier around it, consisting of 3 small cones and some yellow safety ribbon... ...at dinner that night, as I thankfully ate my beansprouts, I glanced over at my handiwork and I beamed with pride... Yes...Emporia was a wonderful experience...about the same as getting a root canal.

Welcome back Jonny!...haven't seen you for awhile... Whatever got "blown out of proportion a bit"...it wasn't my evaluation of Chris Geer...this guy was a bonfide nazi whacko! as sociopathic as Vic himself...as coldhearted as a ticket taker at an X rated theatre...this guy could slit your throat at 6am and by 6:15 be eating bacon and eggs...

...at 5am on a cool Kansas morning...with the smell of the meat packing plant in the air... ...and there was Geer, as I passed by his room...cleaning his gun with clenched teeth.

I saw the title "Man wears diapers"... ...I thought it was a thread about Rumrunner...

Now why didn't I ever think of THAT before???... :blink:

Yeah, but look at the bright side George...most of us got some pretty snazzy T-shirts out of the deal...

Geer was/is a whack job...the idea that he would train killer dogs for bodyguards fits like a foot in a sock...he probably got the idea from studying the life of Adolph Hitler... While I was in residence, My wife and I shared a bathroom with Geer and his wife (one bathroom placed between two rooms)...I had more than a few experiences with this guy...he always had a look in his eye like he was about to plunge a knife through your heart...I never saw him smile... the guy would have been a great contribution to the third reich...a true nazi at heart. Attack dogs?...Hell, Geer would kill you with his bare hands if you gave him half a reason...and he's get off on it.

From what I understand, she's still with twi...

Good point dooj...It's only fitting that a biblical illustration of this point be presented to the bible thumpers...What is truth?..."thy word is truth"...was satan speaking the "word" when Jesus was tempted?...sure he was. So the question is...was Wierwille EVER sincere when he taught the scriptures?...my answer is WHO CARES! He lost the right for me to even care what he said...Who knows, maybe Jeffery Dahmer was speaking bible verses also when they bashed his head into the porcelin crapper until he was dead...guess what? I don't care what Dahmer said either. How about Jim Jones...or David Koresh?...I'm sure they read the bible verses to their followers...Personally, I think that MOST of what Wierwille taught was wrong and I'm a Christian...but WHY would anyone still be interested in anything that man had to say?...he was extremely narcisstic, had total disregard for others, was a sexual pervert, lied in God's name, and hurt a lot of people...and you still think that his "teachings" have any value?

Of course I am...I have been where you are now...and I understand. I understand that twi taught people to "close the trap door"...which in reality meant..."Let us tell you how to think and what to believe. Eliminate all other avenues for truth for they are a danger to you" ...sounds like a recipe for brainwashing to me...especially when one considers that the source of this information came from a man of despicable behavior. Doesn't the bible lay out the requirements for the behavior of a legitimate minister?...have you ever considered that you have been led astray by a wolf in sheeps clothing?...Oh, that's right...you are intolerant of thoughts contrary to what you been been programmed to believe... ...But yes, back to the topic. Thank you Kristen for having the courage to tell what happened...to those of us who have ears to hear.

VP Wierwille couldn't have spoken it any better (actually, he could have)... ...The problem here is that YOU begin with a premise for truth (the bible) and argue from that perspective...good for you...not everyone here agrees with your real/imagined perception of what truth is... Your like the guy standing on the street corner holding pamphlets, shouting "Jesus saves"...he is beyond reason and will not/ cannot discuss reality in a logical manner because he has closed his mind to a certain religious dogma...but there are others here who think differently than you. The difference between you and them is that you are intolerant (as religion always is) of opinions that do not agree with your "standard for truth" (your idea of what the bible actually says)... ...The argument over the validity or nonvalidity of the scriptures is a DIVERSION from the point of this thread and of the henious crimes of Victor the slug Wierwille...it's a DISTRACTION from the understanding of what certain people were subjected to and a DISTRACTION from what is being "digested" here by many people who want to know what really happened. So Vic Wierwille taught you some bible (mostly wrong)...I'm sure that Joesph Stalin was kind to his mother too...big deal. Whitedove...You are a reminder to me of the horrors that I left behind when a cult screwed with my head...I honestly hope that you will change in time.

You're right excie...whitedove IS a piece of work...troll?

I think you have a point there...it is a little light considering his crimes... ...Perhaps a more "detailed" description of him might go something like... ...fake, narcisstic, child molesting, money grabbing, lying, stealing, son of satan...maybe we could dig him up and sell his glass eye on Ebay... ...and as far as all of you mindless wonders who still kiss the hem of Vic's doctrines...may the drool continue to run down your chins.

For those who still follow the teachings of Victor Paul the molester Wierwille, I say they are in denial...denial of reality...denial that they were deceived by a monster...they still live the twi "lifestyle"... ...IF the shoe fits...wear it. Maybe it's about time they started...

Actually, it looks a little like Dave Mason from his early "Traffic" days... ...did I say traffic?

What qualifies me to speak for others?...I don't speak for others... I merely express my own observations...Because of my experience in twi, I can see "waybrain" a mile away... For those of you who are determined to follow the path that was laid out for you by a child molesting drunkard...I pity your souls and question the sanity of your minds. Whitedove...while you are in the mood to "wonder"...why not wonder why you have chosen to be a Wierwille apologist? Although I no longer study the bible daily, I still recall something about "you will know them by their fruits"...and the "fruits" that I smell are enough to gag a maggot... I'll bet you still read the "blue book", don't you?...

True enough... ...but if you were one of the "great unwashed", many times your future in twi depended on whether or not you were an arse kisser...and if you dared to look them in the eye and disagree with them, you were consigned to obscurity. An "influential" clergy guy at Emporia tried to pry into my sex life (I was married at the time), with no reason to do so...he asked me very personal questions with a stupid grin on his face...I told him it was none of his damn business...and... the next day, I was sent to Rome City to pick cherries, slaughter chickens, and clean sludge out of tanks... for 4 months. I believe that the only revelation that twi leaders ever got was made up baloney...

As I recall, when I was in the 10th corps, there was always a "mystique" about the process...The top dogs would lock themselves in a room and wait for the "divine mail delivery"... ...the reading of corps assignments became a major event...I do recall that you could make requests...sometimes they were honored, usually they were not (unless you were someone who fell into the "favored" category)...

Being ordained by Vic the flim flam man was like ... ... receiving a doctor's degree from Pikes Peak seminary... I've heard that after the ordination was complete, there was an un-natural desire to bathe and scrub.

...Even as he sucked up all the money from the wayeast and the waywest, Vic made sure that anything that could make money was centralized into his control...for those who didn't willingly turn all their profits over to twi...they were considered less than legitimate. ...The entire concept of "we are God's true ministry" was fashioned in such a way as to not only denigrate anyone who didn't kiss Vic's a**...but it was geared towards generating revenue and consolidating the money into Vic' billfold... which brings us back to the clergy...the yardstick to measure the success of clergy was in how many classes were run, how much ABS money flowed, etc etc...it was always about their earning power.