GrouchoMarxJr

Perhaps the larger question should be...What considerations should be given (if any) to a pro twi poster at a anti twi website? Well...let's see now...hmmm... How about we put up a wall with a hole in it...the Wierwille apologist could stick his head through the hole and we could all throw tomatoes at his face...honestly...that's how I see them at this website.

See...this is what I'm talking about...the Wierwille apologists consider themselves to be a minority here and thus they want "equal rights" so to speak..."the opposing opinion" is what Jonny calls it... We are talking about a cult here...not a Christian ministry that made some mistakes...a CULT...wrong teachings and all... This website was created to expose this cult...not give them equal rights! Let me clarify something...I speak for myself alone. As far as I am concerned, I consider "waybrain" to be a social disease. No different than how the whackos thought when they followed Jim Jones or David Koresh...and I can't emphasis this enough...It's what twi did to their minds that I hate...NOT the people themselves...hell, we were all waybrained at one time...but it seems to me that most of us here responded when we found what was really happening...while a few others stayed in the "waybrain mode"...maybe they didn't leave enough bread crumbs on the trail to find their way back to sanity...whatever...but I have to question why they would want to hang around here and I would especially like to know why they are intent on attacking people when they tell their stories?????????????? If booting them seems to harsh for you...how about simply restricting them from posting on these particular threads? I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for any of them...they have been doing this deliberately for a long time...I just thought it was time for somebody to call bulls **t on them.

Is jagoff the same as jackoff?...I don't know, is it to you?...

"get roasted for it"...and this coming from a guy who just launched an attack against DWBH.

No...You are wrong. I am not "offended by people attacking other people"...I am offended by the Wierwille apologists attacking people...keep it straight. I am guilty of the same things?...Not quite the same things. I come to this website to attack the influences of this insideous cult...to make known the folly of following the teachings of a monster, to battle against waybrain...so, thank you for recognizing my efforts. As I said, I am biased...and considering what I am biased against...I think it's a healthy bias. They might take offense?...What do they expect when they are posting at an anti'twi website?...a warm reception? They SHOULD be offended...but it's not THEM as people that I despise, it's what Wierwille and this cult did to their minds...

Jonny...That's a cheap shot, even for you... Obviously, you don't know him very well or you would see how ludicrous your statement is. Perhaps your old "ordination mind set" is creeping back up on you? Be careful now...I wouldn't want to see you slipping from your cult recovery...you've come so far.

Ummm...it says "other side"...not "other sides"...I thought that I would point out to you that you just changed the meaning of what was actually written when you decided to change the word "side" to the plural form of the word. The other side (singular) sets in contrast to the "side" (singular) that is obviously being promoted by twi...or what some may call the "pro twi side"...well, this is a website that tells the "other side", which would be the "anti twi side". That's why the word "side" is used in the singular...because it refers to the two sides...pro and con. You seem to be going through mental gymnastics trying to justify your position...let me make this easy for you... I am offended by by the waybrained cultheads continuing to attack people here at this website...and I am using my keyboard to express my thoughts on the matter. There's plenty of room for heated debates on other threads...there's no need for them to inappropriately attack someone when they are telling their story....that's the beef...you don't seem to be grasping the point here...

I didn't ask you...and besides, your speculations of my motives are dead wrong.

That's a valid question...I wanted to air this out in public...In my opinion, this crap has been going on for too long and I was looking to make this an issue that the posters here were aware of...This has been a persistant problem for some time. ...and why shouldn't I make this public? This is an anti twi website that has been infiltrated by pro twi people...that's not worthy of mentioning publically?

...go on, keep defending those who stand up for the cult...that's YOUR choice... harrass?...they defend a monster. I will speak out against that...

Thank you dooj... That's my beef!...they go after people who are telling their experiences, pouring out their hearts, sharing what was a terrible experience...right here on the internet, making themselves vulnerable...and these guys go after them like vultures...STOP IT. Bill...Fair enough...I just want the specified attacks to cease.

A little snipe at me from my pal Rocky?...just because I didn't like his waycorps website?...oh never mind, I don't want to go to the subject at hand...Make no mistake about it, Wierwille was a scum bag. He molested his own daughters (by his own admission)...I'm here to oppose any and all pro twi, pro Wierwille, pro pfal and pro waybrain. If anyone has a problem with that...too bad, I'm not here to make friends.

Are you for real? Constitutional rights?...What in the world are you talking about?...We all signed up when we registered here...we all agreed to follow the rules of the website...the only rights that anyone has here is what Pawtucket allows...He owns the place. ...and you're ready to send me to Iran to be shot in the back?...holy cow! get a grip!... You can think anyway you want to...I really have no interest in how you think. Started an argument?...Maybe so...but I felt that it was time to state my opinion.

Sounds a little kinky to me...You aren't friends with Karen Greaser are you?

...only interested...ONLY interested?...If the accusation of being interested in "locking up with other posters" wasn't bad enough, it's my ONLY interest... ...I posted my recipe for "Groucho's meatloaf" in the recipe forum once...doesn't that count?

There's no requirement to believe what anyone here says...I question a lot of what I read...some posters have more credibility with me than others...that's probably true for most of us. This issue is not about having a different opinion...it's about being rude and insensitive...and hurtful towards others. Would you walk into an AA meeting and in the middle of a tearful testamony, shout out "How do I know what you are saying is true?"..."Do you offer any proof?"...Even if you questioned their credibilty, it would be rude to interupt them in such an inappropriate manner. There's a time and a place for everything...and yes, I am biased. I have seen the damage done to individuals for many years now...caused by their experience in a cult that we call twi. The nefarious acts committed against the young and the naive in the name of God...The lies, the abuse...and that's primarily why I post here...To expose the evils of this cult...it's wrong teachings, it's immoral behavior, the damage it causes to many, many individuals...to warn people to stay away from them, get out of there if you are currently involved...and find some help...this website has always been, in part, an internet support group for ex-twi members...many people have been helped by this place... ...so now I'm supposed to be tolerant of pro-Wierwille/twi rhetoric?...Allow them their own podium in which their voice can be heard...for the sake of political correctness?...the fact is...they are allowed here to post. I don't think that entitles them any special consideration...and there's no way they should be allowed to attack rapes victims as they give their testamonies... ...but that's just me

Well...like I said on another thread...you earned the label...and after disrupting countless threads with your M.O...now you want to be considered in a persecuted minority?...Playing the victim card?..Poor, poor pitiful Whitedove, who uses "expressing my opinion" as an excuse to disrupt heartfelt threads with rudeness, insensity, and insulting insinuations?...Now you're soliciting pity? ...excuse me while I barf.

That's right Ductape...We all make our choices.

You question MY agenda and why I am here?... After nearly 7000 posts over a number of years, my agenda should be clear to you...you should have no questions about it... ...but just for the record, my agenda is anti-twi, anti-Wierwille, anti Martindale, anti waybrain...anti cult...AND my agenda happens to be in "alignment and harmony" with the mission of this website... ...You seem to think that the GreaseSpot Cafe is a "neutral zone" where anti Wierwille and pro Wierwille posters are both welcome with equality and open arms...HA! As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is here to promote twi, Wierwille and his teachings and the cult mentality...is fair game!

Rah rah, biss boom bah...this is not a court room. You are confusing your constitutional rights as a citizen of the United States with your being a guest at a private website...people come here to relate experiences and share opinions...they don't need to present court room evidence here.

I think you are missing my point...This isn't about different opinions. This is about a pattern of attacks against people who are victims of twi, trying to tell their story...when suddenly...the same posters show up, attacking the credibility of the poster, blaming the victim and generally derailing the thread... ...How many people will, in the future, be willing to share "their story"...when they know that Whitedove and oldiesman are about to attack them? I am in favor of differing opinions...but don't call what they are doing as people expressing "a different opinion"...what they do is rude and insensitive and insulting to the poster...and 9 times out of ten, the thread becomes totally derailed as a result of their efforts...there's a pattern of this and I believe that it's deliberate. "Wow...what a boring place"...yeah, I agree. I highly encourage people to think for themselves and to present differing views. I often get involved with the debates in the politics and tacks forum because there are times that I enjoy that type of thing...BUT, I don't think that every thread on every forum is a "debate forum"...when someone is telling their story, they should not have to worry about being attacked...what about the prayer room forum or the forum on memorials?... All I'm saying is that there is some very inappropriate behavior going on in certain threads ...and although it may not be boring, watching thread after thread go down the toilet is less than satisfying...

I'm only interested is seeing those who are opposed to the mission of this website removed...it's not just an occasional remark...these posters are on their own mission with ther own agenda...their goal seems to be to disrupt the threads that are exposing the evils of twi. They are following the rules?...that's my point...it's time to change the rules. These guys are not here to engage in a debate...they already know that their views are detested by the majority...they are here to disrupt... Abigail...if you invited people into your home and they started questioning the integrity of your other guests and then started defending something that everyone else thought was detestible...you would ask them to leave...this place is NOT a public place...it's a private place...owned by one person....I think the GSC cafe needs to be tweaked a bit...not by me...but by the owner...I'm just making suggestions.

...at the very least, maybe they should be booted from the "About the Way forum" with a close monitering of their other threads... I think they have caused too much disruption in threads that would have otherwise stayed on topic and allowed the "other side" to be told. These posters have taken advantage of Paw's tolerance and open door policies by destroying threads and insulting those who have stories to tell... They wouldn't allow pro nazi rallies at a synagogue...these posters should not be allowed to cause anymore disruptions like they have been doing. I left twi a long time ago...I don't cause disruptions at the waybrain website...they shouldn't be causing them here...IMHO

They have been a disruptive force long enough...this is a privately owned website and not a democracy...and I personally believe that it would be a great idea if Paw decided to get rid of those who constantly disrupt threads, belittle the victims of Wierwille, defend Wierwille, and generally go against the mission of the GSC. I question their agenda and why they are here...this is not a question of honest debates and differing opinions...this is a deliberate attempt by certain people to shut down threads with their pro-Wierwille rhetoric. I say it's time to boot them out!

Jonny, Jonny, Jonny...How could anyone brand "Jonny, the teller of tales and romaticizer of the good old days, Lingo" a subhuman?... Not at all!...In fact, I think you should spin us all a yarn about the time that you were sent out WOW into outerspace and met this cute little alien girl named Honalee... ...hee hee