GrouchoMarxJr

Their testimony stands!..I agree 100 %.... First hand tetimony is only dismissed when the testamony is proven to be invalid...sorry Whitedove...you lose again. ...but you must be getting used to that by now.

Unlike White Dove I see an amazing correlation between the two... The flying monkeys in the Wizard of Oz and the waycorps training...very good Rumrunner...a great analogy. Swept away without any thought...brainwashed and conditioned being compared to being grabbed by the monkey's talons and carried off to a place "unknown"...very good.

During my time at Emporia and Rome City, it was my perception that if you wanted to climb the gnarly way tree you had to learn how to kick the guy in the face who was on the branch just below you... Many, who were mild mannered and easy going were passed over in favor of those who were willing to emulate Vic and Loy in terms of getting in people's faces. A big ego, a big mouth and a mean spirit were the recipe to get promoted...that and the ability to make them money. A haven for bullies?...YOU BET! The bible verses encouraging Christians to be kindhearted, forgiving one another never made it into the practical world of twi...Eventually, this was the reason, I believe, that Walter was passed over in favor of the okie.

I catch your drift..."a bunch of thrown together random stuff"...but yet they claim to "believe it"... Claiming to "believe it" is a prerequisite to becoming glassy eyed and conned.

There are some interesting threads here concerning Momentus...I think that it's very revealing that Lynn and others involved themselves with this sinister form of psycho toilet training... anybody want to get into the lifeboat?

It is also obvious to many who WERE involved...and some non Christians as well. AnonymousJ Welcome to the GreaseSpot!...Your imput is both valid and welcome.

I have read and heard countless testamonies from women who were sexually abused in twi and the damage that they suffered as a result...many of them were married. ...What about the husbands? Can you imagine walking around twi hdqrts or Emporia, wearing your nametag and stringing chairs knowing that your wife was having sex with Vic or lcm? What does this do to a man?...I know of one corps guy who committed suicide because of this. We are all part of the same body?...All sons of God?...brothers in Christ?...but yet...a cuckold? ...and there are still those who consider Vic and lcm as Christian ministers?...I think Vic, lcm and others who did this were lowlifes of the worst kind. Any thoughts?

If someone had a small sliver of wood in their eye...would that be called a sphincter splinter?

Should I be so bold as to claim that this is an anti twi thread?...or would that make me "dishonest"?

Recently, a poster accused me of being dishonest because I claimed that this is an anti twi website... Dishonest?...A polite way of calling me a liar?...I beg to differ. I realize that there are posters here who cherish their twi memories and their posts reflect that...I also realize that there are posters here who still believe in the teachings of twi...but there are also many posters here who are determined to expose the abuse, wrong teachings and other nefarious acts of twi...in other words, there are many opinions that differ from each other and I think that's healthy. The GreaseSpot Cafe came into existance when Waydale shut down...As I understand it, GSC was designed to be an extension and continuation of Waydale. Waydale was created in response to the sexual abuse generated towards the wife of Waydale's creator...There was a lawsuit against twi, and as a result, LCM was booted. This happened in part because of the many threads that exposed twi for what they were...and of course because of the legal action taken against twi. Many people have left twi because of the information that is found at the GSC...and many others have avoided the twi experience entirely because the information posted on this website is easily accessible. Through the years the GSC has evolved into an internet community with a wide variety of topics and activities...sports, cooking, music, etc, etc...BUT, the mission remains the same...to tell the "other side" of the story...to make known to those who are unaware... what twi is really all about. Thousands of posts can be found here that have exposed twi's sexual abuse, financial abuse, and wrong teachings...the testamonies of how thousands of lives have been ruined can easily be found on this site... ...and I am accused of being dishonest for calling it an anti twi website? I never claimed that every poster here is anti twi (obviously not)...but I do believe that overall this is an anti twi website. If you disagree with me, that's fine...perhaps you would like to consider telling me why you think I am mistaken....BUT to call me dishonest is inaccurate and sleazy.

Good point potato...the truth of the matter is that VP Wierwille was a sexual predator, plagiarist, drunk and a liar... His guilt has been established by first hand testamonies...at least to my satisfaction. Anyone who tries to dispute this has serious flaws in their logic and emotional make-up. The desperate attempts to "cleanse" this man of guilt is both pathertic and insane....IMHO. Thanks to all who speak the truth concerning the cult leader Wierwille.

Obviously...your desire to defend VP Wierwille is apparent to all... A plagiarist, a liar, a drunk and an adulterer....this is the path YOU have chosen...it should be obvious to you that you are in an anti twi website...why bother?...

At this point I'm not even sure I believe in God...at least not how most of you "Christians" believe in it... ...I tend to think that it's nothing at all like some of you expect...but then agin, I'm just a heathen.

I wanted to misrepresent things?...How so? If something is a fact it's a fact...whether it's a crime or whether it's a dog crapping on the lawn (which, by the way...is a crime in certain areas)...if you witness it firsthand, it's a fact...in a court of law...no...it's a fact to the person who witnessed it. Nobody is claiming that Wierwille was convicted of a crime...they are simply stating that they witnessed something and that makes it a fact to them...I'm sure you understand that...right? For example...If you personally witnessed ANYTHING (crime or otherwise)...it would be a fact to you...am I wrong?

...Just thought I'd stick my head into this thread for a minute or two... Sounds like WD is regurgitating his same old theme...so what else is new? As far as I know, nobody is claiming that Vic the con man was ever convicted of a crime...so what's WD's beef? This morning my dog took a crap on the lawn...it wasn't proven in a court of law but I still state it as fact...is that ok with you WD?

I left twi very shortly after the famous clergy meeting and before the loyalty oath demand made by the dufus from okie... Loyalty oath to lcm?... ...I think this is the perfect example of how far he had sunk into his delusions. Martinjerk never had the con going on that Vic did...he never knew how to endear himself to other people or gain their allegience (like Vic did)...He was a dufus to be sure. I always suspected that lcm deliberately ran off the early corps leadership (that considered him to be a peer at best) and wanted to purge them out...leaving only mindless fu *k chimps who would follow him as Vic was followed...unfortunately for the okie...he screwed the wrong guy's wife and ended up wearing a Home Depot apron.

I don't use straws...I have a 3 foot section of garden hose that I use...

Congrats Raf...a son?...How awsome! If he becomes just half the man that you are, he will be a a wonderful person... :)

Better be careful, second hand information will get you censored here...

You're right...Pawtucket did...let HIM respond....unless he's "above" that now.

Sounds like bullsh *t to me. This gal told me her story with tears running down her cheeks...I didn't reveal her name for obvious reason. Suddenly second hand testimony is to be censored?...When did this start? We're not in a court of law here...people have always related stories that they have heard from others...stories that rang with truth...when did this change? Are you guys now PROTECTING twi?... ...maybe I'm posting at the wrong website.

My question remains the same...I understand the rules here...no personal attacks against fellow posters, etc, etc...Townsend was a member of the board of trustees of twi...IS HE NOT FAIR GAME??? If I'm to be censored for criticizing a former twi board member, this represents a departure in previous standards...my question is an honest one. If someone found time to read and censor my post, I would ask for the courtesy of answering my question as well.

I agree...I thought that Johnny Townsend was a member of the board of trustees...doesn't that make him fair game? I didn't make anything up...what I said (and was censored out) is absolutely true by my judgement. Suddenly we have a "kinder and gentler" GSC??? Somebody's gonna sue me?...have at it...can't get blood out of a turnip. I stand by my original post (which was censored out)...Johnny did what he did (which was typical of twi "leaders")...it's ok to call Wierwille an adulterer?...and it's ok to call LCM an adulterer?...but it's not ok to call other trustee member the same?...somebody needs to explain to me why it's any different. Paw???

Yikes...I just talked to rumrunner on the phone and he told me that he has been "disabled" from posting here... what's going on?...is this place "changing" or what?

Of course, if veepee were alive today, he would be about 93 years old (tells how old the rest of us are getting)...probably spitting up on himself and mindlessly rambling... ...I'm not sure that a conman like Wierwille could pull it off today...too much info out there on the internet. I think most of us would have boogied off...