GrouchoMarxJr

"A thousand Swedes ran through the weeds, chased by one Norwegian" A quote from my grandfather who was a Swedish immigrant in 1898. Sorry for the tangent but everytime I hear the word "Norwegian", I can hear my aged grandfather saying that. :P-->

I have been one of Veepee's harshest critics and I hate the way that they treated Mrs Wierwille. In many ways she was the biggest victim of us all...she was a kind lady who deserved much better than what Veepee gave her or how she was treated after his death. As far as J.P. goes...I cut him all the slack in the world, but ya know...he doesn't need any slack. John Paul Wierwille is a fine man and I'm proud to say that I know him. I'm not sure how well I could handle it, if VPW were my dad...think about it. J.P. is a class act and a man who knows who he is...that's all I have to say on the subject. :)-->

Besides spending all his time trying to visit Vic's grave, what else does Doug M. do? Is he part of a splinter group? I remember him from the old days...I think he was 2nd corps?...I know he was ordained in the early 70's. ...And what's the REAL reason why they wouldn't let him visit the damn grave? I mean, think about it...what harm would it do to twi to allow him to walk over to the grave, say a prayer, and leave? God Gawd! The ONLY reason I can think of is spite. Doesn't that "word of Gawd" that they teach, say something about putting away bitterness and encouraging forgiveness? How can they pretend to manifest God's love and grace when they refuse a former clergyman to visit Veepee grave??? Not to go off on a tangent but the only reason I affiliated with twi in the first place was because of their attitude of "there are no strangers here, only friends we haven't met yet". Everybody was welcome...open door policy...nothing to hide...we want to show God's love...come on in the doors always open. Today the place is guarded like the main oil refinery in Iraq...Who the FU*K would WANT to be around that place? Sorry but the people there now have GOT to be morons! ...And Rivenbark, I hope you read this post!

After what Donna has forced herself to do, she's definitely ready for "Fear Factor".

There I was, I had just finished the advanced class and was now fully instructed in carrying on a two way conversation with the Almighty. I had stood faithfully for several years and had taken the foundational class at least a dozen times up to that point. I had applied myself to the goals of study, prayer and fellowship with great earnest. This did not go un-noticed by the leadership...I was now spiritually ready for the awesome responsibility of..... FLIPPING CHARTS! :D--> :D--> :D-->

Even with your own cup, the coffee usually tasted like it had been sitting on the burner for about 3 days, after being strained through a pair of dirty underpants. I recall, during one of those mercilessly short 10 minute breaks...the new students were standing together telling jokes...I stepped forward and told them this joke..."What did Spock see when he looked into the commode?...the captains log!" :D--> I thought it was pretty funny (still do)...the corp leader overheard me and took me aside...he REAMED ME OUT ROYALY! Took away my position as "assistant class coordinator", and told me that I had a serious "problem". I think back on all that stuff now and I just shake my head and laugh.

I was actually told that the more times I sat through the class, the more spiritual I would become. I probably subjected myself to it at least 20 times in my 13 year involvement. We pretended that the class was more than it was, just as we pretended that we were more spiritual than the guy sitting next to us, taking it for just the third time...when we had had it over a dozen times...what a stupid ego trip that was. The truth be told, I was bored out of mind after the second or third time taking it. I would usually volunteer to do refreshments just to get out of the room and have a cig. Some of those sessions were akin to the chinese water torture. Especially session 4...the dreaded 4 crucified...where the cornfield preacher with the skinny tie would go on and on and on and on...malefactors, thieves...AAARRRG! Looking back on it (been out 17 years), the way we all fussed over these stupid classes was sorta like a guy who buys a car and never drives it. He just studies the owners manual...over and over and over and over.....

How do people like Rozilla and Donna justify their actions in their own minds? As the top "leadership" of twi, I'm certain that they are aware of the "smokin' out the homos" years. They are certainly aware of twi's biblical interpretations regarding homosexuality...but yet...there they are. What does this say about them?

"Fear factor delight": 1 cup of live beetles 1 cup of live cockroaches 1 cup of rotted fish meat Place all in a blender and set for puree... I actually watched these people drink that concoction, while watching fear factor the other day...eeewwww. :P-->

BUTTERY NIPPLE Great dessert drink: Fill a whiskey glass 2/3 full with butterscotch schnaps and CAREFULLY pour the other 1/3 with Bailey's...so that the Bailey's is seperate and on top of the schnaps...pour slowly down edge of glass, while glass is slightly tipped...delicious!

UNCLE HAIRY'S HOMEMADE SANGRIA WINE; Chop up the following fruit and place into a large pitcher. 1 peach, 1 plum, 1 lime, 1 orange, 1 apple add...1 cinamon stick and 2 tablespoons of sugar add...1 cup of your favorite rum and 1 bottle of sweet red wine (blackberry wine is good), and about 2 shots of orange liquer. Fill the picture the rest of the way up with ice, stir well and let it sit in the refridgerator for at least 2 or 3 hours before drinking... This stuff will make you sing funny songs.

Interesting stuff Goey....and the assets belong to? The three BOD members? 22 million cash principle split three ways?...they could still have servants I would wager...and that's not to mention the 16 million in Gunnison and the 8.8 million in the credit union...geeze louise...If they were to liquidate and split the dough, would it then be taxable? I would be curious to know who the 5 employees are, how much they are paid, and who they had to bend over for, to get such a cush job. So, the proceeds from the sales of Rome city and Emporia were sucked into the black hole of paying off bills...and of course, that was martindales fault. Wierwille handed him a thriving business on a silver platter...all he had to do was "keep the trains running on time" and count all the money. Instead, in his infinite wisdom, he decided to dismantle the three main sources for growth and income...the WOW program, the ROA and pfal. What a stroke of genius! Was this guy a moron or what?

"Why doesn't God speak to us more often?" The question implies that God DOES speak to you. I'm not sure that I can even make that assumption. It's a comforting thought, but is it true? I remember twi talking about "first thought" and I keep hearing different versions of the "quiet seas" idea...when my friend Joe talks to me, I have no problem deciding if that was my own thoughts or if that was really Joe. When Joe is speaking, I don't have to "quiet myself" and get peaceful in order to "receive" Joe's words. In fact Joe can be talking to me when my mind is anxious and full of fear...and I can STILL hear Joe. Why is Joe seemingly more efficient at his communication skills than God?

They don't allow people to have vacations there anymore??? THAT was the main reason why Wierwille bought the place to start with! It really is a nice facility...what are they wasting it for?

A true teacher is humble...sensitive to the needs of the student and striving for interaction...objective learning, where questions are welcomed and the student is never made to feel inferior or controlled. Twi's methods were not "teaching" in the true sense...it was more like "conditioning".

What it looks like to me is the "bible stuff" is just a front for their investment business. 44 million hogs to work with! Sorta like the guy who had a "pizza shop" that made a few bucks while the bookie made tons of dough operating out of the back room. And yeah...that 44 million represents the money and the hard work that we all put into this thing... ...The very people who made that 44 million a reality for them are no longer welcome on the property. Is it unreasonable to think that they could be sued into bancruptcy?

Perhaps it is worthy to note the impact of the sycophant Martindale. After the cornfield preacher had worked his con to the point of, "blink, blink, nod, nod,we got all the money"...Martindale took the helm and steered the ship directly into the nearest rocks. Because of the mental illness he had developed while receiving the adulations of his stooges, he became delusional and self destructed, taking the heart and guts of Wierwille's life's work down the commode in a New York minute. Today, an old dyke is running the shell game for what's left of this pathetic little cornfield cult that barely makes an asterisk in the history of "Christian abberations".

Last I knew, the Turners were still in Texas.

The only reason that twi is still in existance is because of the assets. If they suddenly found themselves having to sell off the remainder of their properties and couldn't get paychecks anymore...they'd all fold up the tents and go home. You know as well as I do that if the money all evaporated, so would they. Does anybody really know what their financial situation is? They couldn't be hauling in THAT much revenue. With all the properties to maintain and the salaries, etc. etc...I'm sure that things must be tight. Back in Wierwille's hayday, he didn't know what to do with all the frickin' money...(I know, lets buy a castle in Scotland!)...but no more. I mean, are they actually making dough, selling lcm's class? Whose books are they selling? How many? I know they used to make a pretty penny on all those "advances" they used to run, but how about today? Does anybody know anything?

Week 2 and the Bills lose again! They had a 90 yard kickoff return and a 60 yard punt return called back on penalties...They wuz robbed!!!

5 grads? Well, it should keep the cost for the graduating banquet low.

Sorry for your trouble Catcup...You got closer to the fire than most of us, which of course means, that it was easier for you to get burnt. The 5 or 6 times that I spent talking, one on one, with Martindale were un-nerving experiences for me. I never liked him, never felt comfortable with him, never felt any true compassion for anybody ever come out of him, never trusted him and certainly never signed any loyalty oath to him. I suppose that selecting Martindale, as Veepee's successor, only underscores Veepee's own lack of "spiritual perception". Martindale had no business in the pulpit, his "talents" would have been served better had he decided to become a prison guard instead.

I hear ya...the Bill's loss was a bitter one indeed.

Back in 1978 there was an extremely disturbed man who started coming to our twig...I suggested that he seek professional help but was soundly "reproved" by the local twi clergy...We were supposed to pray for him and teach him the word and that would do the trick...to make a long story short, the guy tried to burn down my house in the middle of the night...with ME in it! I caught him red handed, put out the fire, called the cops, had him thrown in jail, the judge sent him to a mental institution...I then called the twi clergy guy and told him what happened...I was ....ED! I told him that when the guy gets out of the mental institution, he could go to HIS twig and then I hung up on him!...I guess I must have had quite an angry tone in my voice because the clergy guy never brought up the incident with me again.

...and just how many people have been driven to suicide because of this sinister little cult? Not only were they negligent in getting folks professional help, but they were the ones who often times drove folks crazy! I know of a corps guy who killed himself because lcm had an affair with his wife. The wife stayed at hdqrts(to remain lcm's mistress) and the guy was booted...he killed himself a short time later.