GrouchoMarxJr

If I recall, it was pfal 77 (the live class)...that was her springboard into twi importance. Correct me if I'm wrong...but twi rented out a major portion of Ball state University and housed a few thousand people for about a week...I was there. It was billed as Wierwille's last time to teach pfal live...Rozilla coordinated the entire thing...and Wierwille paraded her around as being "sumthin speeeeeeeecial". She certainly didn't fit the mold of the average twi recruit...her syrupy southern belle accent was enough to gag a maggott... She was an opprotunist...her specialty has always been to plot behind the scenes and decide who to stab in the back. She got "the chair" by default...martindumb had run off all the people who were qualified to do the job...there was nobody left... except bob moneyhands...I often wonder why he didn't get the job when loy boy was tossed...I suspect that loy figured he could get his job back, after things "cooled down"...EASIER, if he left a dislikable, non-charismatic, lesbian bureaucrat in charge?...unless it was just one more example of martindale's extremely poor judgement...

satori...the dictionary defines snide as "slyly derogatory or sarcastic". There was nothing sly about my derogatory and sarcastic remarks. ;)--> ...but it WAS an accurate description of the twi polical views of that era. ...So, with all due respect to my "moral better",...(*)

I agree that Wierwille was anti semetic...I was in the Jewish shrink's twig at Rome city...knew him well (a really good guy)...to Wierwille, he was a token Jew. Jews were welcome in twi as long as they "converted" to waybrain. Sure, Veepee embraced the republican party because it fit into his own self image of being a "man's man". He loved Ronald Reagan's tough stance with the commies...he bad mouthed Jimmy Carter something terrible...in fact, he used to accuse Carter of being too soft with the Jews... The Hayes Gahagan era ushered in a new dimension to twi...I think it was roa 76 or 77...political jabber was on everyone's lips...talk of getting a pfal grad into the White house was the goal...Tom J got involved with the political agenda as well...twiers were encouraged to get involved with local politics and make a "difference". When I first took the advanced class in 1978, it was extremely political...all the illuminati stuff, etc...when I went into residence in 79, I would say that twi had gone into the "Jim Jones" category with all the MAL pack stuff...and in the meantime, twiers were being encouraged to attend John Birch Society meetings, develope survival skills and get ready for the poop to hit the fan. ...and yes, the "good versus best" doctrine of twi, played along with being against democrat entitlement programs...I mean, why help a needy person when you can send a check to twi instead.

Tell em dmiller...controlled prayer? I'm somewhat stunned over that one...how arrogant, how stupid, how wrong! Sounds as if twi became so mechanical that they lost, even their pretense of having any heart.

Interesting responses... I should have known that satori would sneak in a few jabs at me -->... it seems that whenever I start talking about shoes, they always seem to be satori's foot size... ;)--> ...anyways...I was more curious about the influence that twi leaders had over people, than the political direction in which they leaned...and yes, Veepee had some really "off the wall" ideas that put him outside of the traditional conservative base...

In retrospect, the comedy of twi was the almost Shakespearean dramatics that always maintained itself as an underurrent of "waybrain reality"...it began with the snow on the gas pumps and ended with the "Passing of the Poop"...always, the destiny of mankind seemed to be riding on the success of an adulterous cornfield preacher and the willingness of his glassy eyed followers to provide a free work force that would recruit EVEN MORE glassyeyed followers into the household of his holy spermsickle cult. ...but then it happened...the great man of god became possessed by a "cancer spirit"...as Loy danced away in his color coordinated tights...

What effect did twi have on your political views? When I joined twi in 1975, I was one of those long haired hippy radicals...by the time Wierwille was done with me, I was voting for Ronald Ray gun...happy to say, I've recovered from my twi, radical right wing, conservative, waybrained way of thinking... How did Wierwille...or Martinfail...or even Rozilla effect your political viewpoints?

To control what someone else believes is pure power. ..."...God had told me that he would teach me the word as it had not been known since the first century, if I would teach it to others"..."I opened my eyes and saw SNOW ON THE GAS PUMPS" That's where it began with a lot of folks... I mean, why would this simple Ohio preacher MAKE UP SOMETHING LIKE THAT?...and we believed him. People WANT to believe in something like that...everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die...Wierwille appealed to the first generation of people who had spent their entire life in front of a television set...Peter Pan...Wizard Of Oz...General Patton really IS George C. Scott...and Vic Wierwille saw the snow on the gas pumps... sign the green card and give me your dough. ...and today, the residual effect is Rozilla the rug muncher, whose main job is to maintain a facade...so that they may continue to keep their "non-profit" "Christian" organization providing a "more than abundant" life for themselves... If you're still in twi...you're close to braindead.

The man of God for the entire world... What a concept...just think how much money Ron Pompeil could have made with that one.

twi leaders receive revelation??? Oh my Gawd!...If God ever spoke to Rozilla the rug muncher, she would probably die on the spot and all her bodily fluids would run out on the floor.

I shoulda left the first time I was handed "Christians should be proposterous"...

quote..."Martindale had convinced everyone that they could all be "managers"." He also claimed that he could easily be running a fortune 500 corporation...I imagine reality set in for him as well, when he started unloading trucks...

I wonder how much his glass eye would bring on Ebay?

Actually I didn't really expect a response from the grifter's bus driver because I'm not sure that he knows how to read or write... Does anybody remember when Wierwille used to refer to Howie as "the greatest Christian layman in the world"?...Wierwille was famous for coming up with "titles" for people. Maybe I'll start another thread on that subject...

My first year in twi, I got 8 people to take the class...which is more than the other 12 years put together. Going out "witnessing" was pure torture for me...I hated every second of it. So did everyone else...We would usually end up in some bar polishing off several beers. I'm happy to say that each of the 8 folks that I got into the class, quit twi before I did.

So what's up with Howard Allen? How old is he now?...maybe 70, 75? Afterall, he is the senior trustee emeritus still alive...How does Howard feel...looking at Rozilla the rug muncher and what's left of twi? Is he still carrying the tool box, saying "I have the necessary tools to get the job done, but I'm not gonna help you"... Besides getting his son in law ordained and pimping young girls for Wierwille, what contributions did he make or is he making now?...Howard is seldom mentioned, so I thought I would start a thread to "bless him"...How ya doin' Howie?...I'll bet you miss the good old days when Vic would throw his sports jacket off stage and you would be there to catch it for him... Vic, Ermal, Harry and Don are all dead and can no longer speak...maybe Howard should step up and "clarify" things for us. C'mon Howard, how about a response? Inquiring minds want to know...

This whole "problem" with preschoolers is ridiculous, in my estimation. Handcuffing a 5 year old girl?...etc., etc...and on it goes. The purveyors of psycho active drugs have targeted the children of our country...first fill the kid up with a sugar diet, then when he starts bouncing off the walls,label him with some "newage" mental disorder and then give him drugs to calm him down... In this day and time, when nobody is allowed to mind their own business, children have become the latest victim of corporate lies and greed. Attention deficit disorder? When more and more kids are living in one parent households, filling in their time with TV violence, poor nutrition and low self esteem, our "educators" are dropping the hammer of stupidity on their dysfunctional little heads. When one looks at our society as a whole, is it any wonder that our children are having problems? The response to these problems are not solving anything...only making things worse.

When I left twi (18 years ago)...it was for numerous reasons. At first, the reason was because I realized that Martindale had departed from "sound doctrine" and had no compassion or love for anyone but himself...shortly after that, MANY other things became apparent to me...it was like dominoes falling...I soon became aware of the fact that much of Wierwille's doctrine in pfal was flat out wrong. After that, I became aware of the sexual abuse by most of the top twi "leaders"...and on and on it went. When I finally left, I had concluded that twi was screwed up from top to bottom, inside and out...wierwille and martindale were both in the "same boat" in my mind...and that included their doctrines and policies. I have NEVER even been tempted to consider going back...I would just as soon stick my head into a hot oven.

A very appropriate thread subject... The Wierwille apologists who continue to hold on to the "myth of the man", love to accuse those of us who speak out, as being "bitter". This of course, is the rationalization used to try and justify their position. The truth of the matter is that twi was and is a harmful cult that has abused and hurt many people. Bitterness is NOT presenting facts that illuminate the truth concerning this cult. Sure, some folks are bitter, but to assume that someone is bitter because they speak the truth...is nothing more than a smoke screen to deflect the criticism.

Johnny...Oh yes, I remember Donny Fugit very well. He was a refreshing departure from the "normal" twi leader...A guy with a heart for God, no ulterior motives, kind, funny, a free spirit in the midst of all the twi clones. I recall Donny telling us all a story about how he was driving a car with Veepee sitting in the passenger seat, when suddenly he veered the car into a deep mud puddle and made a horrendous splash...Veepee asked him "what the hell did you do that for?"...Donny replied, "I just wanted you to see what it felt like to do LSD". ...A wonderful man...sadly missed.

During my years with twi, the way that I "helped" people was to get them into pfal. Before, during and after they took the class, I "helped" them by reciting twi slogans and cliches...my natural inclination was supressed by twi teaching me to avoid the pitfalls of doing "good" instead of "best"... If a person was broke, I would tell them to give twi even more money...If a person were being evicted, I would tell them to believe for proserity...if a person was physically ill, I would lay hands on them and pretend to be receiving "revelation"...If a person didn't want to take the class, I would "shake the dust off of my feet" and forget about them...In other words, by following the teachings of twi, I didn't help anyone. We were taught not to give money to worthy causes...but instead to give it to twi. Today, I have no interest in recruiting people into ANY organization...I do not throw cliches at them or pretend to know more about God than they do...I simply invest myself into people's lives...help them when I can, be a good friend and I am always aware that God's love is unconditional...help out at the local soup kitchen?...you bet! I receive more satisfaction from helping my neighbor shovel snow out of his driveway than I ever did spewing out twi doctrine...and I believe that I am doing more good today than I ever did with twi.

It becomes rather interesting when one considers his wife's sexual proclivities in light of his "homo purge"...Lcm trashed the wow program because he thought there were too many "homos" in the group...he ran off a LOT of good people based on "spiritual suspicion", accusing them of being "homos"...in fact loyboy became obsessed with rooting out all the "homos" he could... ...when all the time he KNEW that his own wife was gay?...was he somehow, subconsciously, trying to "purge" his own life? Did he think that his vicious attitude towards gays would help to "reform" his wife?...or was it all just a smoke screen, an inside joke?...Talk about being a hypocrite!

...And was Paul Revere filled with bitterenss when he made his midnight ride? ...Or were Woodward and Bernstein filled with bitterness when they exposed the truth about Nixon? ...Or was Peter filled with bitterness when he told Simon the sorcerer that he would rot with his money? ...Or was Jesus filled with bitterness when he flipped the tables over in the temple? Twi is not a Christian organization...they are a counterfeit that seduces people and then destroys their lives. The Wierwille apologists would have us ignore thses facts and simply remain silent. For those of us who have "run the gauntlet" of twi, there is a responsibility to "sound the alarm" to others. I would feel irresponsible if I watched this cult continue to scam people...and not speak up.

I give Johnny credit for taking the high road on this thread...Had Wierwille selected Johnny Lingo as the next prez of twi...there would probably be no need for a Greasespot cafe. But the real question that I have is... Martindale had genital warts?

That's the risk you take when you walk into the Greasespot cafe...there's always some poor soul who's still wallowing in the bowels of "wayworld", ready to pass judgement and set us all straight. Whether nervecurve is still with twi or not...waybrain is still waybrain.