GrouchoMarxJr

OK...Should I say it or does someone else want to? ...Well, I'll put it in the form of a question... Were there any ordained women in twi who DIDN'T sleep with Wierwille?

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As Bob Dylan once said..."I'll stand on their grave til I know that their dead".

How does a real man open his beer? He doesn't...it should be open when she brings it to him. sorry... :P-->

New bumper sticker says "Run Hillary run" The democrats put it on the back bumper, the republicans put it on the front bumper.

If a criminal is in a "shoot out" with police, and suddenly runs into a crowd...the police will not return fire (at least I hope not)...I think police chases are necessary at times but wisdom should be used...

This one's for Sudo... The woman told her dentist...I'd just as soon give birth to a baby, as have my tooth pulled...the dentist replied, make up your mind, I have to adjust the chair.

What will they do to Michael Jackson if they catch him with another 8 year old boy? Give him his own parrish.

What were the best 3 years of George Bush's life? 5th grade.

Why did it take the blonde so long to drive to Florida? Because everytime she saw a sign that said "clean restrooms"....she did.

What's 40 feet long and smells like urine? line dancing at the nursing home.

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Why is president Bush like a turtle sitting on a post? Because you know he didn't get there by himself, there's not much he can do while he's there, and all you want to do is get him off of his lofty position.

Did I tell you about my invisible cousin? He married an invisible woman... their children were nothing to look at.

In the White House, there was a discussion concerning vice president Cheney's health...when suddenly president Bush spoke up and said, "Excuse me, but men don't have anginas."

I heard that Cher and Madonna had a falling out...they're no longer on a first name basis.

I think maybe one of the main problems is when people form organizations that purport to speak on God's behalf. The way corps claimed to be experts on "spiritual awareness", when in fact nothing could have been further from the truth. I have nothing against churches as long as they are not confused with the spiritual body of Christ. I agree with Linda in regards to the perfection of that spiritual body...too many folks see the impressive building, the numbers of people, the slick talking preacher, and all their programs and assets and then replace the spiritual reality of the one body with their particular religious group. I have this notion that a person must first come to the Lord and develope a relationship with Him...build your faith within yourself, without it being filtered through other people first...and then enjoy the fellowship of others who share your faith. Men and organizations seem all to eager to claim spiritual authority and oftentimes hinder a person's spiritual life. Didn't Paul spend something like 13 years by himself, before he began his traveling and preaching?

I seem to recall that Jesus got angry and flipped over a few tables when he saw people abusing the things of God... Righteous anger is oftentimes not only justified, but appropriate.

Hammers right...this wasn't like belonging to the Elks club...this was about our relationship with God and all that goes with it...an involvement that goes right to the deepest recesses of the human heart...when people lie and hurt others in God's name...you can't just shrug it off and pretend it didn't happen.

Hmmm...I seem to remember something about one of the "corps principles"...material abundance to you and the ministry?... I guess that must be an old wineskin?...or maybe an old drambuieskin....hmmm.

hard to imagine...it's sorta like hearing about those Japanese soldiers, hiding in the jungle for 50 years because they think the war is still going on.

mj412...I understand what you are saying... About 7 years ago I attended an offshoot meeting. It was at a hotel with about 150 people there. I felt really weird...it was like going back in time. Watching the emotional responses of people, listening to the teachings, seeing so many things that reminded me of my years in twi...it was un-nerving for me. I came away from it with the notion that the people involved were like heroin addicts who were now taking methadone... Shortly after that, I attended a church...I found a number of conflicts going on in my mind that I thought I had laid to rest. I felt like an "outsider" in the sense that I thought I knew more about the bible than any of them there...including the preacher. I had an attitude that I knew was wrong and decided to get honest with myself and deal with it. For me, the "elitist" attitude of being puffed up with knowledge was one of the last, and most difficult parts of "waybrain" for me to get rid of. Twi "engrafted" this attitude in me...I didn't like it either...so I decided to change. Even if they were teaching things that were not contrary to twi doctrine...but were using different terminology, I felt uneasy...I kept telling myself that twi was wrong about a LOT of what they taught and started looking at the "fruit" in people's lives instead of the doctrines that they taught...I soon realized that love edifieth but knowledge puffeth up... I continued to go to different churches until I became comfortable with the fellowship aspects...and got to see that they were also intelligent people who had some good ideas about what the bible said...Today, biblical doctrine is simply not that important to me...It took time. Today I view all Christian churches as part of the one body...Christianity is about relationships and living life...being right about specific doctrines is not that important to me anymore...but I had to work at it.

that's about the size of it...

JAL has made the statement numerous times that (and I'm paraphrasing )...he has never had a real job and he's doing the only thing he knows how to do... Wierwille taught many things...one of the things he taught was how to build an organization that is funded by donations, providing a source of income for those who run the organization... Am I a cynic?....yes I am.

Everyone's story is a little bit different...There were lots of folks who went into the corps during the years that they should have been going to college... Instead of getting an education, settling down in one place, planting roots and building a future for themselves...they decided to go into the corps, take corps assignments, wash windows and live like a gypsy... Sure, when they finally woke up from waybrain, they could have picked up where they left off and went to college at the age of 34 or so...but that's not an easy thing to do, especially when they have a wife and kids... Twi robbed the prime years from a lot of people...