GrouchoMarxJr

"How did a discussion about which women were ordained become a mud slinging party?" Linda...Seeing that I started this thread, I would refer you to the first post which began this thread...it started out as a "mud-slinging party".

Steve...I don't see anything "Pro-twi" in this thread. Close friendships between people developed in SPITE of twi, IMHO.

Georgio...glow-ry!...you make me laugh. Stick around around for awhile wontcha?...we need a guy a like you here.

Warm beer and cold women, I just don't fit in every joint I stumbled in tonight that's just how it's been all these double knit strangers with gin and vermouth and recycled stories in the naugahyde booths with the platinum blondes and tobacco brunettes I'll be drinking to forget you lite another cigarette and the bands playing something by Tammy Wynette and the drinks are on me tonight. Tom Waits...from nighthawks at the diner

Flying with broken wings...I guess a lot of us extwiers have learned how to do that...

Yeah...walking around and suddenly there was another person from my past...and then another and another...hugging, crying...that festival, in a lot of ways, helped to keep a cohesive bond between people. I suppose it's no surprise that Martindale pulled the plug...just like he did with the WOW program and the original pfal class...kinda funny when you think about it...the 3 main outreach programs, that was the cause for twi's growth...ROA, WOW and the class...and LCM pulls the plug on all of them! If somebody wanted to sabotage twi...that was the way to do it...and the funny part was that he wasn't trying to sabotage twi...he thought ending all these programs was a good idea! ROFLMAO... :D--> :D--> :D-->...what a moron.

gotcha...I apologize to one and all for singling out that one fine lady.

...And let me add, that I didn't start this thread just to trash [name deleted] or anyone else... ...but I think it's important for people to realize that twi lied about a LOT of things...when people are led to believe that a person is ordained because God gave them one of the 5 gift ministries...when actually, their ordination was a reward for sexual favors...well, they are being lied to in God's name and it's very destructive for that individual to follow a counterfeit. This forum is designed, in part, to "enlighten" people to the truth of twi and it's destructive practices...why? So that others can avoid the same mistakes that many of us made...and to expose the truth, regardless of how ugly it may be. Like I said, I liked [name deleted]...never had a "bad encounter" with her...I knew her fairly well...in fact, I believe that [name deleted] was a victim of Wierwille's lies...she trusted him and fell for his line of crap.

Watered Garden...I made the remark...sorry you were offended by it, but it's the truth. I liked [name deleted]...she was my corps coordinator. I think she helped a lot of folks and basically had a really good heart...I don't have a thing against her...I hope she's doing well... ...But nevertheless, it was common knowledge.

My favorite job at roa was bless patrol...especially when I got to wear the blue cap (I think it was blue)...making me in charge of the other yellow caps (I think they were yellow)...got to walk around instead of standing in one spot... Of course, I didn't like it much when it was my fault when it rained...but overall, it was much better than the guys who manned the "honey wagon"...I always felt sorry for those guys. Once they made madatory "twig times" at the roa...it lost a lot of the fun...I mean, sheeesch...you had to get together with the same folks from your hometown twig...I thought that the rock was fun when you got to walk around and visit old friends that you hadn't seen in awhile... I recall the last roa I attended...it was the first roa after Wierwille had died (I think it was 1986)...it was horrible...I left after the 2nd day...drove all the way home vowing never to attend another one.

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Gee Whiz...Why pick on poor evil Rosie...afterall, she just wants to be one of the guys... ...and apparently she's quite oblivious to the fact that satan has sifted her like wheat. John Linder?...a pimple on the foot of humanity. I think satan sent one of his flunkies to deal with him...

I just now caught up with this thread...You mean to tell me that lcm told folks not to wear their WOW pins because they were old wine skins?...That's really sick! Going WOW had nothing to do with lcm changing twi's doctrinal teachings...it had everything to do with the idealistic hearts of a lot of young people who wanted to serve God. No matter how screwed up twi was, the young kids who gave a year of their lives to do, what they thought, was God's will...was indeed a noble and great thing. I don't care if you were a Hari Krishna, a Moonie, or a follower of David Koresh...it was the pure intent of giving of yourself to help others and to be of service to God...it was what we THOUGHT we were doing...and I do believe that God looks on the heart. OK, I won't sell my damn WOW pin...I suddenly feel differently about it. ...And ya know what?...We cared...and we tried...no matter how it turned out...nobody can ever take that away from us. Makes me wanna put my pin on and go visit twi hdqrts...old wine skin my foot.

Go wingnut go...grrrrrrrrr ;)-->

Just Thinking...Oh, there's no doubt that the guy believed his own bull..... Kinda reminds me of one of those nut cases that sits in the funny farm thinking he's Napoleon. The part that's so incredible is that he got thousands to go along with him (myself included)...my Gawd, what was I thinking???

...But, c'mon you guys, doncha know the cup is always half full...never half empty. Spin, spin, spin...I can hear Rozilla speaking to the masses at the roa...whoops sorry, there is no roa anymore...actually, there's no more masses either. Well, be that as it may...the word IS over the world...they have succeeded! Now it must prevail!!! Pay no attention to the condition that the world is in today...twi has claimed the victory! It's only a matter of time before Jesus hisself shows up (with Veepee Wierwille at his side)...to pin the home coming way disciple family members as Claudette sings "Precocious Lord" in the background. I need a beer.

So...satan thinks he's too good for John Linder huh? Just goes to show you...Even the prince of the power of the air has a level that he won't stoop to.

...Kinda adds a new meaning to "Joyful Noise".

Mr. Anderson says... "So please forgive me if I take a stick and poke at a white sheet once in awhile to see if there's a real person under it and not a robot. You may be comfortable with annonimity, I am not" I'll bet that you're no fun at all at a halloween party. Besides, how do I know that your name is really David Anderson...for all I know, your real name could be Alomar Chomolungma.

Georgio...ain't that a fact. There were a lot of very bright people who were taken in by Vic. Did he believe it himself?...That's a good question. I think he was convinced that every thought that entered his mind was either revelation or at the very least, extremely important...I think he believed that God extended special priviledges to him...allowing him to do pretty much what he damn well pleased. ...I also think that he felt he had a right to make stuff up, or as some call it...lying...in order to convince people of his "holy mission"...whether it was snow on the gas pumps, being snowed in at Tulsa, plagiarizing other people's work, or talking young girls into the back of his motorcoach...he believed that the end justifies the means...he was constantly telling us how he only drew a hundred dollars a week salary...of course, he left out the obvious...that whatever he wanted, twi supplied it to him. He WAS twi! He was in his glory at the roa, when thousands would oooh and ahhh his every word, clamoring to touch the hem of his garment. He ate it up like a redneck with a plate of babyback ribs. His own denomination booted him and now he was finally getting his due...I'm almost surprised that the Lord Jesus himself, didn't walk down from heaven and kick his foot...but that's only because I was involved for 13 years and it effected me personally. In reality, twi was nothing more than a mild blip on the cult radar screen...99.9% of the world didn't even know he existed.

Allright...In all fairness, I won't paint them all with the same brush...I'm sure that not ALL of them slept with dr. werewolf...I could start a list of those who did...but I won't do that...suffice it to say that PLENTY of them did. ...and there were those who refused. I know of women who were booted from the ministry for refusing to have sex with twi leaders. Lies told about them as they were shown the door...and there were many others, men and women, who previously had led somewhat promiscious lives before twi...that had turned themselves around and became virtuous after their Christian conversion...I salute them. ...And of course, there were plenty who thought they were doing the right thing because they placed their trust in the mog...victims one and all...so sad.

Of course I wasn't present for any of grifter Vic's one on one "excellor" sessions with the "gift ministries" of the fairer sex...but how many frickin' stories from different people do you have to hear, before the light bulb goes on?... What a sick puppy Vic was...first he "allows" them the unspeakable priviledge of "blessing the mog" in that "special" way...then voila! we have another reverend in our midst. Of course, that special and high calling included an appreciation of the sacred lock box...I mean, the rest of us just weren't spiritual enough to grasp the reality of what Gawd allowed in the back of the motorcoach for those, oh so special heavy hitters. I often wondered how it must have felt to have such an indepth spiritual understanding to actually be ordained clergy...we used to sit around after twig and speculate which of the 5 gift ministries rev. so and so had...sorta like we used to idolize the accomplishments of Hank Aaron or Carl Yazstremski...awe struck to be in their presense, priviledged to be able to work along side them, assisting them in such important matters as mowing their lawns or supplying refreshments for the next class. Never suspecting that their real "gift ministry" was bumping uglies with the cornfield preacher...and let's not forget how many of Vic's young proteges were so quick to follow suit. Ah yes...as some refer to them as "the good old days" of twi...when Howard and Chris, the pimps, would lure young girls into the grifter's lair...and if they wouldn't come willingly, what the hell...slip em' a "mickey". So, for those of you who still hold the teachings of Wierwille in such high regard...I would remind you that the words of a adulterous, lying, conman should be taken with a grain of salt...or better yet...should be tossed out entirely...bathwater AND baby.

C'mon George, you didn't think I made them up myself did you? ;)-->

Why was Michael Jackson hanging out at WalMarts? Because the sign in the window said "boy's pants half off"

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