GrouchoMarxJr

I still check in here because this place knocked the crap out of twi...and I think it's worthy of respect...and there's still people here that I like to say hi to.....hi. :)

"Someone ought to post this on the FB page for VPW's followers: FB page It's a closed group so I can't do it. I doubt it would last long there. "....... I did that exact thing this week...along with about 7 or 8 posts telling them what I thought of their hero...I was booted and blocked before the night was over.

What makes Wierwille real is the trail of broken lives he left lying by the side of the road as he drank and screwed his way to self gratification.

"Now, if we could just figure who THEY are . " Hmmm, I thought we were talking about twi...The board of trustees, other high ranking twi decision makers...the organization as a whole. They simply love things and use people...until people are no longer of any use...they kick em' to the curb.

There's no dessert unless you finish your peas...there's no dessert unless you finish your peas. OK! I ate the damn peas!... now what's for dessert?....more peas.

No specifics but I heard that he is in poor health.

As Waysider said..."People are commodities at The Way. When you've outlived your usefulness, your days are numbered. There's an abundance of historical evidence to that effect." I think that about sums it up. They don't care about old people because they don't care about ANYONE...

You're right, words DO matter...One of the characteristics of a cult is to develop their own terminology. This reinforces the us versus them mentality and also it conditions the mind with trigger words. Even down to the names of holidays...if you called it Christmas you were either not one of us or were new and not fully indoctrinated yet. The invention of their own terminology worked in concert with their isolating people from society during corps training not allowing certain books to be read or instruments to be played...and of course the ultimate goal was never "word over the world"...it was "Obey us, give us your labor for free and then give us your money"...manipulating language was essential to pull this off.

"Everything in The Way was judged by its supposed "spirituality". The whole thing was no more "spiritual" than the flying monkeys that vexed Dorothy. " True enough...In the case of Wierwille and Martindale, the flying monkeys would have been an improvement. Spiritual protocol was nothing more than a made up list of rules to keep you in your place and lord over you. I recall an incident at Emporia when Vic was sitting on a makeshift stage on the pond...some sort of raft with chairs on it. (I think he was trying to be like Jesus when he taught the folks on shore from a boat...)...suddenly Vic lit up a smoke and all the other smokers did likewise...that was the protocol taught...wait until the guy in charge to light up first and then it's ok...but not THAT night...Vic changed the rules right on the spot and reamed us all out...Spiritual protocol was used selectively when it served their purposes (egos).

I don't know why this is a big story now...the NFL has always been full of wife beaters...if they wanted to clean it up, they would boot them out for life. As far as why the woman married him after he knocked her out?...NFL players are paid millions of dollars a year...another incentive to marry him?...just sayin'

It all begins at the top...whether it be a religious group or a corporation...when the ceo or whoever is in charge has disregard for others, a lack of loyalty and is willing to throw people under the bus for his own advantage, a culture is formed. He surrounds himself with others of the same ilk and this kind of treatment becomes institutionalized and prevalent throughout the entire organization.

Wow...A heartfelt story certainly consistent with everything I know about twi...Twi has ravaged people's lives in many ways...including financially.

Also...anyone can join...you don't have to be former corps...Excie, look up Howard Walker on facebook and ask him to invite you...he will.

The link...you may have to ask Howard Walker (new moderator) for permission to join, if you can't find it....he's on facebook Way Corps FaceBook Group

In case anyone is interested, John Richeson's Way Corps site on facebook has changed dramatically...As some of you may know, Richeson started this site in an effort to bring the waycorps back to life...like the Phoenix rising from the ashes...he would only allow positive statements to be made about twi..."our father in the werd", etc and all the good times until you were ready to barf. Anyone who even hinted that some things in twi were not always good...he censored them immediately by deleting the post and oftentimes blocking the poster...Well...under pressure from various posters (Ralph D.), today he stepped down and named a new moderator who allows anything and everything to be posted...people are coming out of the woodwork talking about sexual abuse, lies, deceit, being screwed over, etc etc etc...LOL...about frickin' time. The truth of the matter is that what Richeson was trying to do there was dishonest...and he knew it...I'm glad he caved in because I never liked the guy and I hated what he was trying to do. A lot of people there are fleeing...boo hoo..."don't say anything bad about gawd's ministry boo hoo"...good riddance to those kool aid drinkers. May they all suck pond water...I might even throw in a post or two now that they have opened it up to honest opinions... :)

Had my wife seen this, I know she would have thanked you for the kind wishes

This is the cause I believe in...

I hear ya Raf...I can see how a newbie might gravitate towards Geer for the reasons you state...but for the most part, twi, at that time, consisted mostly of folks who had been around for years...most of them who knew Geer, didn't like him at all. He was mean spirited, arrogant, and aloof. I'm amazed, looking back, that anyone really took him seriously. He had the bot wetting their collective pants...most of the rank and file exited during all the drama...I knew Geer was a nut case from day one...and thankfully, so did most everyone else.

After watching "The Hunt" last night with John Walsh, I must say I was a little disappointed. They never mentioned Barnard's affiliation with twi and it was so apparent that he was heavily influenced by them. They profiled Barnard from the time he started his own cult until the present...no background whatsoever. I'm wondering if twi threatened a lawsuit if they mentioned them on TV... Other than that, they portrayed Barnard as a lying scum bag pedophile...but they could have done better.

He suffered from depression which is a disease...and today his wife announced that he also had Parkinson disease...which was not known until today

John Walsh has a great record on helping to catch criminals...over the years there have been over 1300 people caught as a direct result of his show. After the first 3 episodes of his new show "The Hunt"...all 3 were caught.

For those interested...Victor Barnard will be the subject of "The Hunt" with John Walsh on Aug. 24th, that's a Sunday night on CNN http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/the-hunt-with-john-walsh.2/

Glad to see this thread brought back up to the top...had fun reading it. It's hard for me to imagine how anyone ever took Geer seriously...outside of cult indoctrination that is. Seems that after the cornfield preacher was finally planted under the fountain, his most ardent disciples started playing musical chairs with the tools of group think methodology. The only problem was that when the music finally stopped, there were no more chairs to sit in. The end result of course was that those who thought they could pull it off started their own game with the portion of the cult that they could sneak out the back door with and rename. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and it's time for a complete mental overhaul at a rehab clinic. The real losers of this experiential mind f**k are the ones who are still doing the back stroke in the septic tank of delusional mental illness. God is personal to each of us and shame and disgrace upon all those who turn it into a business.

A matter of perspective... Wierwille liked people that came from money...he worked hard hustling them... If you were broke and came from middle class or lower, he let you hang around as long you could scrounge up the tuition and fees. Vic was an extremely insecure man with an ego as big as they come. He had the morals of an alley cat and the ethics of a grifter. He never came up with anything on his own...he stole from everybody and then took the bows. The hundreds upon hundreds of WOWS and waycorps were nothing more than a free sales force to further his agenda of money and ego. Simon the sorcerer had nothing on this guy. The thing that ....es me off the most is that he wasted my precious time. I think that he died at 69 because he knew that if he lived any longer we would have been lining up to kick his sorry cornfield foot. The biggest dunce of all was Martindale...he didn't have the brains to simply keep the trains running on time...and I'm thankful for that. If I ever run into him walking down the street, I will probably be arrested for assault. What an arrogant douche bag. Looking back, I find it hard to believe that I was conned for so long...but breaking free from the group think and seeing them for what they were was like winning the lottery and hitting a homerun at the same time. My greatest hope is that in the next life, Wierwille will be cleaning toilets with his face and Martindale will be helping him do it.

I've often thought about telling the current "leadership" of twi to stick it in their ear.