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Sunesis, I saw some of that show. I was doing stuff when it was on and caught parts of it. I think it was THAT show where the priest was talking about how terrible it is to say Jesus was married that got me thinking about whether he could have been. I wasn't paying much attention when they got to the Merogovian part but I heard a little of it. Thanks for the summary. I'd like to see the whole thing.

dancing, I don't live in your computer. I'm here now. I'll do my bit and I'll leave after bit.

The angels will shout for joy when He says, "Roy get up!"

Danny, Last night I decided to mosey on down to The Center for Marcionite Research Library and do some reading up. (I'd forgotten what a great evangelist he was.) Ray Embry has it that Marcion wasn’t a Gnostic but was branded as such by his rivals. Is that common knowledge among Marcion scholars?

I can’t remember anyone ever referring to Jesus and Christ as two separate beings, dancing. Are you going to a church that thinks like that?

Danny, The talk is that "married Jesus" is from the Gnostics. But didn't the Gnostics believe that Jesus was a non-physical entity and therefore incapable of an intimate encounter?

Not that I know of.

oops Sorry, markomalley, for misspelling your name.

coupcake, My question was whether anyone knows of any Old Testament prophecies that proclaim that the Messiah would never marry. markomally, My “mission statement” was referring to a joke I made at your expense NOT that this thread was started as a gag.

100% agreement. Nice work, Goey.

Mission accomplished.

That's the thing Goey, to me it's not a deal breaker. markomalley, You seem to be saying that the Jerusalem in Galatians is the same as the one in Revelation but in Galatians it says THAT Jerusalem is a mother and in Revelation THAT Jersusalem is the bride of the lamb. Shotgun marriage?

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; If a bishop of the Church can both have a wife and be "blameless" why can't the Church's founder?

You're talking about a New Testament allegory. Revelation says Jerusalem will meet Him as a bride adorned for her husband. Is He, therefore, an allegorical bigamist?

Clear as mud. Your implication that Jesus would not be without blemish if he were married is a slap in the face to anyone in the bonds of holy matrimony. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Cynic, Nice link. Those are good reasons to think he probably wasn't married but there's nothing there that I can see about it being in the Law or Prophets that he couldn't be.

When did Ephesians and Revelation end up in the Law and Prophets?

The brouhaha over the Da Vinci Code has me thinking about the possibility that Jesus was married. A Roman cleric was on TV saying that it is libelous to claim that Jesus was a married man. I would agree that it would be libelous to accuse Him of engaging in illicit relations but I don't see how claiming He entered a state of holy matrimony is libelous. I can't see anywhere in the Law or Prophets where it is required that the Messiah be single. Can you?

Learning IS an exciting adventure.

Thanks Evan. Since they did it sort of like the Way, I'm betting that we experienced the Wierwille version of the original. Jerry, I don't know what the explanation for the howling is. There was only two women doing it but one of them had a pair of pipes like an opera singer and could howl a long time without taking a breath. It's scary at first but then it just blends in with all the other sights and sounds. I see sexual overtones in much of the service but I'm like that.

Also Evan, could you speak a little about what worship is like at Brother Leonard's? Clay, The interpretation today was in regular English. The message was very dramatic. It listed about five blessings from God and each began, "Don't you know my people." It was like: Don't you know my people I've called you. Don't you know my people I've . . .. This Sunday was wild. The women just got back from a retreat and they were really fired up. The praise session went on so long they skipped the sermon. It was like James Brown's church in the "Blues Brothers" but add to the arm waving and wild dancing up and down the aisles - LOUD and STEADY howling. For a while I just stood there staring like an anthropolgist but when the band dropped the playlist and went into hardcore Gospel my toes started tappn' and my hands started clappn'. It was a blast.

Clay, Thank you for your delightfully poetic response. The next time "related relaxing" comes up in a conversation I'll be ready to throw in my two cents on the subject. I've got the mind going blank part down pretty good already. That's cause I'm a quick study.

Clay, I think I could get into "related relaxing." What's that all about?

Of what?

penguin, The way it works there, the band plays and we all sing along (top forty Christian music) for about twenty minutes and someone will let loose with tongues. Sometimes the tongues speaker goes on and on and there'll be a long wait for the interpretation. Usually the Int. will be about the same length as the T. So far there hasn't been anyone to stand and let a Prophesy rip without tongues. I'm surprised at how seldom it happens (about once a month) and there's never been more than one T & I per meeting. I'm not sure that it isn't always the same woman. T & I has come from the other side of the church and try as I may I can't see who's doing it. I can't remember if they do it with KJV language. I'll take note the next time. mstar1, I didn't know Episcopalians SIT. Do they do it during regular Sunday meetings?