Jump to content
GreaseSpot Cafe

T-Bone

Members
 View Profile  See their activity

  • Posts

    7,529

  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    255

 Content Type 

Everything posted by T-Bone

  1. T-Bone
    Since we’re talking hypotheticals and the dead - I should probably be more concerned if my sister was in the way corps and was responsible for seeing to the needs of the president and founder when he visits the campus.
  2. T-Bone
    Flunky see flunky do…don’t think I ever shared this before…not long after I graduated from PFAL , I put on a suit and tie and practiced hand gestures and body language in front of the mirror imagining I was in front of an audience telling them how PFAL can change their life…funny to reflect on that spiel now…I remember being clueless to the fact that PFAL was just the beginning of changing my life for the worse. Hi, my name is T-Bone and I’m a cult survivor.
  3. T-Bone
    22. D. One the greatest obstacles to discovering the original message of the Bible is not being aware of the PFAL-filter that we as grads adopted in our reading habits. PFAL grads are trained to think the tenets and theories expressed in the class are the only proper framework to understand the Bible. In the class, wierwille would go on and on about “the Word means what it says and says what it means”…but wierwille pushed an obfuscating misconception…the Bible was written a long time ago by people in different cultures. How can one possibly know what an ancient author meant when the pervasive tendency of PFAL grads is to filter the KJV Bible through wierwille’s modern twisted ideology? At its best solid Biblical theology can be useful to help distill the words and ideas of the Bible and to give them the appropriate perspective and importance they deserve - but we should never assume OUR theology is the ultimate authority or inspired of God. As our knowledge and understanding of the ancient times and cultures of the Biblical writers grows, as we get a better sense of their worldview, we should be in better shape to understand what THEY intended to say.
  4. T-Bone
    35. A. Some unintended consequences of wierwille’s teaching on the unforgivable sin - is the mental anguish caused - and in some cases even suicide by TWI-followers who for whatever reasons believed they had committed the unforgivable sin.
  5. T-Bone
    Great post Twinky ! I agree!
  6. T-Bone
    This thread is for exploring human nature - not only in Biblical theology – but also through other legitimate disciplines. Besides appreciating what the Bible says about the makeup of humankind we also need to seek a comprehensive understanding of that which can undermine what appears to be the original design and purpose of humankind – especially by two of the biggest threats – sin and death. 15 The Lord God took the man and placed him in the orchard in Eden to care for it and to maintain it. 16 Then the Lord God commanded the man, “You may freely eat fruit from every tree of the orchard, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will surely die.” Genesis 2: 15-17 NET Notes on verse 17 in my Net Bible: Second Beta Edition read: Heb. “dying you will die.” The imperfect verb form here has the nuance of the specific future because it is introduced with the temporal clause, “when you eat…you will die.” That certainty is underscored with the infinitive absolute. The Hebrew text (“dying you will die”) does not refer to two aspects of death (dying spiritually, you will then die physically). The construction simply emphasizes the certainty of death, however it is defined. Death is essentially separation. To die physically means separation from the land of the living, but not extinction. To die spiritually means to be separated from God. Both occur with sin, although the physical alienation is more gradual than instant, and the spiritual is immediate, although the effects of it continue the separation. End of excerpts ~ ~ ~ ~ Below are a few hyperlinks – food for thought – I appreciate everyone’s input: Wikipedia: death Plato Stanford Edu: death Thomas Aquinas Edu: Philosophy is a Preparation for Death: Why We Study the Phaedo Philosopher’s Mag com: Death and Its Concept Rethink Now org: what does the Bible say about death? Bible Study Tools: 10 Important Things the Bible Says about Death Chaim Ben Torah: Hebrew word study of death Bible Hub: Hebrew "maveth" Strong’s # 4194 Chabad Org: Jewish meaning of death Truth Watchers: does death mean separation? Bible Study Tools dictionary: death My Jewish Learning: defining death on Jewish Law Teaching the Word org: What Is the Biblical Definition of Death?
  7. T-Bone
    I think this is one of those idiomatic expressions interpolated in the 1967 uncritical text of plagiarized manuscripts – I wish you could read it in the original “don’t throw out the Baptist with the baptismal” In the Latin Vulgarity it's ixnay on tossing aptizerbay
  8. T-Bone
    I did an online search asking, Are soul and spirit the same thing? Here’s a few links I thought were interesting: Crosswalk: is your soul the same as your spirit Wikipedia: soul Difference Between Info: soul and spirit Huff Post: The Spirit and the Soul Are Not the Same Thing - Here's Why Got Questions org: What is the difference between the soul and spirit of humanity? Christianity com: Difference between soul and spirit Quora: what’s the difference between soul and spirit?
  9. T-Bone
    By far the BIGGEST SIMILIARITY I see - and certainly cause for alarm - with wierwille/PFAL and Smith/Book of Mormon is the fact that followers of either one of these cults regard their central religious texts (either PFAL or the Book of Mormon) as divinely inspired and equate them as being on par with the same authority as how mainstream Christianity view The Bible . . A minor difference can be noted in that wierwille claimed he heard the voice of God saying He would teach wierwille the Word like it had not been known since the 1st century. Whereas Smith claimed an angel named Maroni appeared to him and said that a collection of ancient writings was buried in a nearby hill in present-day Wayne County, New York, engraved on golden plates by ancient prophets. Perhaps another minor difference can be observed in wierwille’s thinly disguised plagiarized material compared to the more creative and some of the unusual historical narratives of the Book of Mormon.
  10. T-Bone
    Has anyone else thought of the similarities of wierwille’s claim of hearing God’s voice and the “canon” of PFAL and Joseph Smith’s claim of an angel appearing to him and the “canon” of The Book of Mormon ? It seems to me wierwille/PFAL and Smith/Book of Mormon both used their quick and dirty methods as a shortcut to thumb their noses at the development of the New Testament canon .
  11. T-Bone
    Speaking of preexisting - I think wierwille had a preexisting condition that had a big impact on his teaching “ministry “ - it’s called malignant narcissism
  12. T-Bone
    Me too! And some of the answers were not what I expected to find out And some things I found out about I can’t un-know them now
  13. T-Bone
    Oh yeah - I’ve seen this movie already - the very next scene is the bus in flames going over the cliff Man they don’t make them like that anymore movies? no. Flaming bus going over the cliff. Now it’s all that fake CGI stuff
  14. T-Bone
    Is it possible that God created a unique version of soul for humankind? One that could reflect the image and likeness of God. You’re probably thinking that sounds like wierwille’s trichotomy. But no - what I am suggesting is different. What if spirit is a unique inseparable part of our soul? For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Hebrews 4:12 NIV Hebrews 4:12 implies you can separate them but it’s extremely difficult - like separating joints from marrow or thoughts from attitudes. At some point we have to explore what died in the fall of Genesis 3. I made a brief reference to that on another thread - Here-. The point of my counter argument to wierwille’s teaching of humans losing spirit defined as the image of God, is that Scripture indicates humans still retain the image of God. So what does death mean?
  15. T-Bone
    You're telling me that if I just drop this mic - it means I've won this argument
  16. T-Bone
    I remember some dirty old man telling us anything you do to others in love is okay...oh wait - or was that, love anything you do to others...
  17. T-Bone
  18. T-Bone
    ok - never mind - I thought you were suggesting the devil ate the apostle's homework
  19. T-Bone
    what ? I'm either a party pooper or OCD
  20. T-Bone
    and in other news
  21. T-Bone
  22. T-Bone
  23. T-Bone
  24. T-Bone
  25. T-Bone
    Sorry – the only one I know of is being used right now…hey all, try to keep it down okay
×
×
  • Create New...