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  1. Alright ! well, at least now we're getting nowhere
  2. In other words, the same old routine you’ve been doing here for some 20 years.
  3. already been done - some say by late 4th century
  4. But is it really YOUR theory? …the answer is blowing in the wind
  5. No, not yet – but the more I watch Star Wars episodes, the more I want to prophesy like Yoda: And know my children blessed you are The farce is strong with this one
  6. Aha! That’s where wrong seed comes from! get behind me wierwille! on second thought- get away from my behind
  7. Well - if YOU say they’re in the non-suck category then I should set up more categories of PFAL suckage
  8. FYI those were rhetorical questions I asked ,Mike - I don’t ever expect to get a straight answer out of you. I don’t ever believe a word you say
  9. How do you retrieve pieces in the wind? And did you come up with that concept? “The calculus, theory of relativity, and wave theory stuff that I mentioned is trivial and can be found in any history of science text, no expertise needed”. I’ve noticed you tend to exaggerate, bloviate, and generalize stuff all out of proportion into a big ball of nebulous nonsense – so I’m not surprised you make foolish statements like this. Not surprised at all. “You are too formal about background credentials, and you deny yourself good knowledge knocking at your door.” That’s why I don’t believe anything you say – since you seem to have an open door policy for any pseudoscientific, pseudointellectual, pseudo-Christian baloney that doesn’t even have to knock – you go out on the porch and drag them in. “The spirits I had in mind were the Holy Spirit and his angels, plus the devil. New ideas come from the spiritual realm.” Is this theories that YOU came up with? “Most of neuroscience has come around to agree with the Bible on man's self aggrandizement of his own consciousness” What surveys have YOU conducted and what data have YOU reviewed to come up with that? What a stupid incoherent mess you’ve dumped in this thread, Mike! Do you even keep track of what you say? You say you’re intent on getting your message out here – to come back to PFAL – but your unintelligible propaganda is a huge turn-off for me. I can think of only a few of possibilities as to why you keep going like this – there’s probably other reasons too that I haven’t thought of…but anyway here’s some of my reasons why your “advertisements” turn me off: 1. If you’re representative of what PFAL does to one’s intelligence – yikes! 2. Your persistence in pushing nonsense has a nefarious purpose – yikes! 3. Your “career” of insinuating yourself into any thread is annoying – are you on TWI’s payroll? Yikes ! 4. Your inability to tell the difference between truth and lies – Yikes!
  10. Hey man, don't Bogart that joint!
  11. Amen on D Chappelle! That Bill B is relentless ...they should have a sign by the entrance of the venue - Heckle at your own risk Yeah, Chockfull on it's a different world: a couple of other sources that gives you a peek inside their world are Seinfeld's Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee and Judd Apatow's book Sick in the Head
  12. An imbalance in the smoke and mirrors trick can result in just a smoke trick
  13. Hey kids, all you need is some fissile isotopes like uranium-233, uranium-235 or plutonium-239! Order now to avoid the Christmas rush
  14. T-Bone

    Doug Mastriano

    I read the article…I hate to say this, but I’m not surprised some TWI-followers would fit right in with the current conspiratorial baloney that’s going on. I don’t think it’s a coincidence either – religious cults can be breeding grounds for secular cults. Remember Steven Hassan the author of Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves and Combating Cult Mind Control: The #1 Best-selling Guide to Protection, Rescue, and Recovery from Destructive Cults …He has written another fascinating book about a cult of personality – but since politics are a no-no on Grease Spot Café I’ll leave it up to you to click on this hyperlink, that has been encrypted to protect the faint of heart > The Cult of Orange-Hole: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How the Orange-Hole Uses Mind Control
  15. I don't really think about where ideas come from... but sometimes I wonder about where bad ideas come from
  16. oh great you're gonna heckle me now
  17. that's because the article wasn't written by a stand-up comic
  18. but then there's the quantum entanglement pennies option
  19. nope - not buying it - this sounds like someone pulled a LoShonta out of where the sun doesn't shine and labeled it "the classic example".
  20. After the Fall God communicated with Adam and Eve in the Garden – how did He do that? Who says God can only REALLY communicate with that which He is-which is Spirit? Why is phenomena crude, limited and a less efficient way for God to communicate? If God is truly omniscient, omnipotent, and all that – don’t you think with the ultimate in sophistication and poise God Almighty would be able to a produce a phenomena – achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or expense? A simple "yes" or "no" from you would be a sufficient answer. Maybe you’re talking about a different god than the one that created the Cosmos…some clarification would be nice. Did you hear that in a séance? That’s kinda weird, Mike. …and I guess you don’t have a high opinion of humankind’s cognitive skills? Confirmation of your opinion would be nice. Psychology Today article on creativity are creativity and originality the same thing? What methods did you employ in your study of the brain? Mike, you might like these articles: How does our brain form creative and original ideas? where does creativity come from? Technically YOU are the only one who has been talking about God having "difficulty" talking to supposedly spiritless humans. How do you know wierwille had spirit in 1942? How do you know if he ever had spirit at all? Was he born again? I’m not one to judge on otherworldly matters like that…but Jesus said we can look at fruit…but I know some wierwille fans – for some unknown reason – like to ignore his unabashed plagiarism, pathological lying, money-grubbing stealing, glory-seeking-chain-smoking-Drambuie- guzzling-sexual-molesting lifestyle - and give him a free pass…whatever… that’s on their conscience.
  21. (Grab some drinks and snacks...this is going to be a long post ) 34. Encourages an us-versus-them mindset - great for fortifying groupthink and isolation. “I have no friends when it comes to the Word.” A. wierwille’s animosity toward Christians outside of TWI was camouflaged by his self-righteous stand on “rightly-dividing the Word”. B. sets up false dilemmas to polarize students into favoring the supposedly only right choice. Following up on my earlier post with reference to rightly-dividing, I want to start in the orange book, Power for Abundant Living: The Accuracy of the Bible, chapter 10, The Rightly -divided Word, pages 115: Time and again I have heard the statement that God’s Word causes trouble in a community or in a church or in our society. After frequently hearing that and after searching The Word as to why there is division and lack of accord among Christians, I wrote a study entitled “Why Division?” Division comes not from the Word of God; it comes from the unbelief of those who refuse to believe the integrity and the accuracy of God’s Word. End of excerpt ~ ~~ ~ The above sets up reader to get used to the idea of cults “insulating” and/or physically isolating followers from the outside world. Also, wierwille does not specify the issues of division and lack of harmony. What did wierwille mean by saying division comes from those who refuse to believe the integrity and accuracy of God’s Word? What did he mean? This is indeed a puzzling statement since the Bible is considered the sacred text in Christianity, Judaism, Samaritanism, and many other religions. My curiosity is immediately drawn to the two nouns near the end of his phrase “the integrity and the accuracy of God’s Word”. I’m assuming he’s using standard definitions. Integrity = internal consistency, the condition of being unified, unimpaired, or sound in construction. Accuracy = the quality or state of being correct or precise, the degree to which the result of a measurement, calculation, or specification conforms to the correct value or a standard. In PFAL, wierwille throws around other phrases like mathematical exactness and scientific precision…or…now your Bible won’t fall to pieces…it fits like a hand in a glove…these phrases were used to reinforce certain erroneous teachings - like the 4 crucified with Jesus (something he copied from Bullinger). He would make note of differences in descriptions or discrepancies in the texts to promote a composite narrative of what really happened. *As a side note on wierwille’s integrity / accuracy spiel see below: Footnote inerrancy versus infallibility…and in case you’re wondering where I stand – I believe in the infallibility of Scripture as being authoritative on all religious matters and that it will never steer me wrong. I do not believe the Scriptures are inerrant. Continuing from pages 115 & 116 of The Rightly-divided Word: The subject of this chapter is the accuracy of God’s Word and a workman’s responsibility to that Word. II Timothy 2:15 is our point of departure in studying this topic: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. The one great requirement of every Biblical student is to rightly divide the Word of Truth. The Bible, the Word of God in its originally-revealed form, is the Word of Truth. But when it is wrongly divided, the true Word does not exist. We have the Word of Truth only to the extent that the Word of God is rightly-divided. Everybody at one time or another divides the Word. The question is not whether we divide the Word; the question is whether we rightly divide it. End of excerpt ~ ~ ~ ~ Just wanted to point out a few suspicious ideas wierwille has in the above quote. II Timothy along with I Timothy and Titus are generally considered to be pastoral epistles. Wikipedia states - see my hyperlinks below for each epistle - along with most of the Study Bibles I’ve looked at concur in the opening remarks of those books. So, wierwille’s remark, “The one great requirement of every Biblical student is to rightly divide the Word of Truth” is misleading. The epistle is addressing pastors. The other questionable item is wierwille’s definition of the Greek word for “rightly dividing” which is orthotomounta in Greek. On page 119 he says this” … “rightly dividing” in the King James Version, literally means “a perfectly right cutting.” Its intricate nuance of meaning is that there is only one way to rightly cut the Word; all other ways are wrong cuttings…There is only one way to rightly cut The Word; all other ways are wrong cuttings. Now do you understand why we have splits, denominations, and sects in so-called Christianity? They stem from the wrong dividing of The Word. End of excerpt ~ ~ ~ ~ The following are excerpts from Bible Hub commentaries on II Timothy 2:15 – these are just a few excerpts from a wide variety of commentaries – I left the hyperlink at the end of these excerpts to encourage you to look at them for a better sense of what Paul was talking about: rightly dividing the word of truth.—Better rendered rightly laying out the word of truth. The Greek word translated in the English version “rightly dividing,” literally signifies “cutting a straight line.” It seems most correct to regard it as a metaphor from laying out a road (see Proverbs 3:6, in the LXX. rendering, where the word is so used), “or drawing a furrow, the merit of which consists in the straightness with which the work of cutting, or laying out, is performed. The word of truth is, as it were, a road which is to be laid out straightly and truly.” So Ellicott. To affirm (see Alford and Huther-Meyer) that the notion of “cutting” had been gradually lost, and that the word already in the time of St. Paul signified simply “to manage rightly,” “to treat truthfully without falsifying,” and that the exact opposite is to corrupt or adulterate the Word of God (2Corinthians 2:17), 2 Timothy 2:15. Study to show thyself approved, &c. — Greek, σπουδασον σεαυτον δοκιμον παραστησαι τω Θεω, literally, be zealous, make haste, or diligently endeavour, to present thyself approved to God, what ever men may judge of thee and thy services; a workman that needeth not to be ashamed — Either on account of unfaithfulness, unskilfulness, lukewarmness, negligence, or sloth; rightly dividing the word of truth — Greek, ορθοτομουντα, literally, rightly cutting up the word — In allusion, as some think, to the action of the Jewish priests in dissecting the victims, and separating the parts in a proper manner, as some were to be laid on God’s altar, and others to be given to those who were to share in the sacrifices. Or rather, the metaphor may be taken from the distribution made by a steward in delivering out to each person under his care such things as his office and their necessities require; or to the action of one who carves at a table, and distributes meat to the guests, according to their ages, and their state of health. In this manner the apostle himself divided the word to the Corinthians, feeding them with milk, as babes in Christ, and not with meat, as not being then able to bear it. See Hebrews 5:12-14. The Vulgate version renders the clause, recte tractantem, rightly handling the word, which gives the apostle’s meaning very well. Thus those ministers handle it who duly explain and apply the whole gospel, so as to give each hearer his due portion. But they that give one part of the gospel to all, (the promises and comforts, suppose, to unawakened, hardened, and scoffing sinners,) have real need to be ashamed. To divide or handle the word of truth aright, implies that it be done, 1st, With evidence and demonstration, so as to convince the conscience, Acts 2:37; 1 Corinthians 2:4. 2d, With sincerity and faithfulness, delivering the whole counsel of God, Acts 20:27. 3d, With power and authority, Matthew 7:29; 1 Thessalonians 1:5. 4th, With wisdom and seasonableness, as men are able to bear it, Mark 4:33; John 16:12. 5th, With meekness, gentleness, love, and all winning insinuations, 2 Timothy 2:24-25; 1 Thessalonians 2:7. 6th, With courage and boldness, Jeremiah 1:17; Ephesians 6:19. Rightly dividing the word of truth - The word here rendered "rightly dividing," occurs nowhere else in the New Testament. It means, properly, "to cut straight, to divide right;" and the allusion here may be to a steward who makes a proper distribution to each one under his care of such things as his office and their necessities require; compare the notes at Matthew 13:52. Some have supposed that there is an allusion here to the Jewish priest, cutting or dividing the sacrifice into proper parts; others, that the allusion is to the scribes dividing the law into sections; others, to a carver distributing food to the guests at a feast. Robinson (Lexicon) renders it, "rightly proceeding as to the word of truth;" that is, rightfully and skillfully teaching the word of truth. The idea seems to be, that the minister of the gospel is to make a proper distribution of that word, adapting his instructions to the circumstances and wants of his hearers, and giving to each that which will be fitted to nourish the soul for heaven. From: Bible Hub: commentaries of II Timothy 2:15 end of excerpts ~ ~ ~ ~ The objective in the book of Timothy appears to be that those so called to oversee the church in some capacity should strive to be honest and responsible in supervising the church. the way wierwille handles the passage it looks to me like he is grooming students to think they are qualified theologians and Biblical text scholars – with a subtext of trusting what wierwille says the text should be. I should point out wierwille is neither a qualified theologian nor a Biblical text scholar. Other things to keep in mind – Timothy did not have a huge knowledge and experience gap to span like we do – he was of course in close proximity to some New Testament events, familiar with the biblical languages, various cultures and worldviews, probably had access to certain reliable and complete manuscripts and scrolls of the Old Testament – so probably didn’t have to do much textual research…so I can’t imagine Paul was that concerned about raising up Biblical text scholars. If you ever read about the apostle Paul – you may have noticed in his epistles and in narratives of his life that he was driven to present Jesus Christ as the fulfillment of the law, as our risen Lord and Savior and having supremacy in the grand scheme of things. see also: II Timothy 2 NIV I Timothy II Timothy Titus dating the Bible Paul, Timothy and Old Testament Scriptures What text did Jesus read? Quora: what "Bible" did Jesus use? Books and scrolls in the world of Jesus Britannica: Saint Paul Wikipedia: Paul the Apostle ~ ~ ~ ~ Since I left TWI and got into studying the Bible without the mental PFAL-filter, and in going to local churches of different denominations I’ve come to the opinion that wierwille like to make a mountain out of a molehill to galvanize PFAL students into choosing his ministry for the sake of the truth. And my honest feedback of comparing TWI with the local churches I’ve attended – is that I see a lot more concern for genuinely representing Christ in the community and being relevant to the individual, and most have charitable programs going on…and I don’t have a problem giving money to a local church because I can see where it goes to support legitimate overseers, pay for church building maintenance, utility bills and into programs that help those in need in my part of town. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ *Footnote on inerrancy versus infallibility: There are two theological terms that are often used to explain the nature of the Bible—inerrancy and infallibility. They are used to point out how the Bible is different from all other books that have ever been written. Many use these terms interchangeably. Infallibility means incapable of making a mistake, while inerrancy means the absence of any error. These concepts arose when the issue of the divine inspiration of the Bible was being addressed. Questions arose such as: In what sense, or to what degree, is the Bible the divinely inspired Word of God? How does it differ from all other books? The Word Infallible Means Trustworthy. When referring to Scripture, the term infallible is usually used to mean reliable and trustworthy. It refers to something that is without any type of defect whatsoever. Those who trust its infallible teachings will never be lead astray. The term, “inerrancy” is more recent. While some Christians use inerrancy and infallible interchangeably, they are normally used in slightly different ways. Inerrancy contends that the Bible does not have any errors of fact or any statements that are contradictory. Inerrancy is more concerned with the details of Scripture. From: difference between inerrancy and infallibility End of excerpts = = == = End of post…thank God!
  22. Pep talk given to a new-hire in the billing department: Remember to be patient and courteous on the phone with every customer… And beware of that joker who always calls in on the first week of every month complaining about his huge bill
  23. oh shoot - I forgot he was in Jackie Brown - I love that movie - got it on DVD
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