T-Bone

Cult-leaders like wierwille are good at generating an us-versus-them mentality. in matters of how to properly manage a cult, Clearly defining the enemy takes the stress out of deciding which side to be on. Us: Fully indoctrinated ones; PFAL/Advanced Class grads; wierwille-followers Versus Them: anyone not in “us” category - besides general unbelievers and true Christianity , includes those demon possessed and/or born again of the seed of the serpent ( whatever that is ) any enviable success story or noble fame, legitimate scholars, published authors, critics of wierwille / PFAL / TWI

For those new to the harassmatic movement I recommend you start out small - speak in LoShonta and handle worms… …Then on to expeller’s sessions - projectile vomiting alphabet soup You’ll know you’re really really virtually ready for the Adverb Class when you can easily and redundantly pile on word salads and remember oil and vinegar don’t mix but nonsense and beeswax do / does / / did / have / has or had before on other threads snakes is as snakes does

Excellent point! stay tuned folks, we should hear from Utterly Befuddling shortly as only he can really really absolutely completely virtually thoroughly and throughly obfuscate so to speak / squeak if you know what I mean on the seed of the serpent scene m r snakes m r knot m r 2 …c m b d ii l I’ll b m r snakes

So-and-so is at it again Saying his typical outlandish nonsense…trying to be provocative…trying to elicit a response…he did this most notably and ignobly on certain threads: The Absent Christ, The New Testament canon, Determinism and the Illusion of Free Will. ~ ~ ~ ~ ...a troll is a person who posts or makes inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages online (such as in social media, a newsgroup, a forum, a chat room, a online video game), or in real life, with the intent of provoking others into displaying emotional responses or manipulating others' perception. The behavior is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or purposefully causing confusion or harm to other users online. In this context, both the noun and the verb forms of "troll" are frequently associated with Internet discourse. Media attention in recent years has equated trolling with online harassment…The advice to ignore rather than engage with a troll is sometimes phrased as "Please don't feed the trolls." The most common advice to deal with someone who gets enjoyment out of provoking others is to ignore them and deprive them of the pleasure of watching people react. This is typically phrased as "don't feed the trolls", however, some believe this to be bad or incomplete advice for effectively dealing with trolls. Troll (slang) - Wikipedia

This Contradicts the concepts you posited on the determinism and illusion of free will thread

How do you REALLY know that?

Again with the “really” ! I actually don’t believe you

How long was Jesus in a cult?

Mike attempts to make a confused and incoherent correlation by quoting from Numbers 11: 25 And the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease. 26 But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp. ~ ~ ~ ~ Note Mike bold-types the texts that come closest to “spirit” and “talk” – except “talk” isn’t mentioned in the passages – but the word “prophesied” is. And it’s people prophesying to people - NOT spirit talking to spirit. Numbers 11 does NOTHING to support wierwille’s bull$hit that God is spirit and can only talk to spirit.

Forrest Gump’s explanation: Spirit is as Spirit does

You might enjoy thinking and looking outside of Scripture – you’re free to develop your own curriculum. The last few years I’ve pursued the philosophy of religion rather than just theology... I’m speaking as a layman – so this is just my 2 cents - theologians are usually bound by the tenets of their particular faith, and that puts limits on what they can argue, what they look into and what conclusions they can reach. They will accept certain concepts and principles on the basis of faith alone – but me, I guess being part technician and part renegade - I like to think outside the theological box and explore the heck out of something as much as I can with what little I know of theology and standard philosophical/analytic methods. Something related to this topic that I got into thinking about a while back was 3 concepts: inspiration, illumination, and revelation. I pursued it from a few different angles – look for a biblical definition, look for a scholarly definition, look for a common person’s understanding. Find illustrations of each in the Bible and/or in your own life. This is just an example of making up one’s own study program. ~ ~ ~ ~ If I were you, I’d call your old friend – especially if it ended unpleasantly… I was the one who soured true friendships when I got in TWI – because of where I drew the line - if they weren’t interested in “The Word”, then I was no longer interested in them. Maybe due to a lot of pride, shame or what - I don’t know – I never made an effort to make amends for being an aloof Bible fanatic. then a couple of years ago one of my old friends contacted me! We reminisced a bunch. He still keeps in touch with most of our old circle of friends. He got me caught up on himself and others. I decided to do the same – starting off with apologizing for being snobbish after joining TWI – moved around for them, got tired of being exploited and left – played catch up career-wise, yada yada, yada I’ve got a wife, 2 kids, 2 dogs, 1 cat, own our home. When we wrapped up our conversation, I told him to say hello to the old gang and that I’m done with my religious cult phase - sorry I was such an a$$-hole and I still think about everyone once in a while. I'm not assuming your falling out is similar...but just going on the fact that you've thought about contacting them - seems like a good idea - whether it's from God or your own heart - it doesn't matter. The only thing I assume is that you have good intentions - unless you're planning to get one last insult in

totally bull$hit on your part You've interpolated "really" into a passage shame on you I think you are the one who has a problem understanding plain English and also a problem in communicating in plain English

that has never stopped you before

Your concept shows God to be extremely shortsighted and confused – who’s on first – who came up with the idea first I’m surprised you still try the same old dodge and deflect ploy when asked specific questions – agter you’ve been called out on it innumerable times. It’s obvious to me you’ve fabricated another pseudoscientific “theory” to show God is inept and can’t really do anything to protect people from getting easily possessed since there’s ample evidence in the gospels that shoots holes in your “theory”. Now you’re using Hollywood movies to support your “theories”…did you get that idea from Johniam referencing the Omen films to sustain his position on the antichrist? Are you guys a team? Just you and Johniam – not you, Johniam and the antichrist.

Actually, that was a known issue even when I was in the corps. LCM endeavored to address it by teaching Satan installs a permanent wedge [his term] in the person’s mind and/or brain that allows the devil access anytime he wants. A nebulous description that allows a lot of leeway for pseudoscience. Not to be confused with a wedgie = an uncomfortable tightening of the underpants between the buttocks, typically produced when someone pulls the underpants up from the back as a prank. A permanent wedgie of the underpants of one’s mind and/or brain might actually offer some protection from the adversary – provided it’s installed properly – Advanced Class keys # 1 and 2 – yellow stains go in the front; brown stains go in the back. How did Satan know what God was planning? How does a human have lots of close fellowship with the adversary? How does knowing detailed info of one’s goals, buttons and triggers allow the adversary to possess mind and body to do whatever whenever? Sounds like you’re describing identity theft. Has that ever happened to you? Devil possession, seed of the serpent implanting or identity theft? If so, could you explain the experiences in more detail. How did you come up with the theory of “breakdown of all the biological protections against possession that God built into our DNA”? Is there scientific data for that? Do you know what the specific DNA marker characters are? My wife and I have had 23andMe genetic testing done and the report was quite extensive on our ancestry and genetic predispositions on health-related stuff. It didn’t mention anything about biological protections against demonic possession…but they did include a few pictures of their process to determine our ancestry:

Yeah – I think you’re understanding it the way I do... ...of course we both could be wrong But seriously I still have a long way to go in just processing what Packer said…Part of the issue goes way back to when I was in TWI and doubling down on wierwille’s keys to walking by the spirit. I wanted everything spelled out for me and I thought those “keys” would help. What I really wanted was something definitive – if not an audible voice – something that I knew was not me just imagining it. Passages like the following would fascinate me: New International Version “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” Luke 22:42 Perhaps when Jesus Christ walked the earth, he was the only one who could accurately distinguish God’s will from his own human will – like here we read he is torn between a very human trait – the will to survive, and God’s will calling for self-sacrifice…one of the most captivating things to think about is something sublimely expressed in the Greek text of John 3:16 - “the only begotten” in Greek is μονογενῆ (monogene - you can see we get one from mono and kind from gene ) – it basically means one of a kind – unique – the dual nature of Jesus Christ – human and divine – Jesus Christ the hybrid. Imagine if we could make a clear distinction when it came to something crucial – “okay, I know what I want to do – but I also know what God wants me to do…oy vey…decisions…decisions…decisions” I bet we’ve all experienced that dilemma at times…in TWI I used to blow that off – also what didn’t help was the typical TWI-regimented thought process. For example, after I first took PFAL I had that typical new grad enthusiasm and would witness to anyone about the class – and damn the torpedoes if I got into unchartered waters while talking to someone. At first, I used to brag to my Twig coordinator about spending an hour or two telling someone about how God is love and forgives. I could tell he was a little annoyed and in a roundabout way suggested I shouldn’t waste a lot of time with people who show little interest in taking the class. Another no-no he would get on me about was spending a lot of time teaching PFAL stuff to a person I signed up for the class – I guess he was afraid I’d screw things up. I’ve come along way since I left TWI – trying to follow through on what comes naturally / supernaturally ? < that's me thinking I can dance One company I worked for would have several managers make sure they talked with an applicant during their paid try out week, just to get feedback and see if our company was a good fit for them. I could tell this one lady – almost in tears – was distraught over the high demands in time and energy the assistant manager’s job would entail and the stress that might put on her marriage and family. I knew she was highly qualified and would probably be great at the job – but something else kept coming to mind. I remembered myself in TWI as a workaholic. I put the ministry first before my wife and kids – and my marriage and kids suffered because of that. I didn’t want to tell her what to do and I wasn’t going to tell her about my other strange life in a cult . What I did do was encourage her to re-evaluate her priorities and if hubby and family still outweigh this job then it’s not a good fit for you…She decided to not take the job. Was it God? Was it just me being empathetic? Was it God reminding me to be considerate? I don’t know…It just feels a lot better doing things this way. No big whoop.

Remarkable similarities with wierwille on a lot of stuff. The little bit that I’ve looked into this serpent seed topic over the years since I left TWI – I’ve come across some variations – besides Branham’s and wierwille’s – in my opinion, that’s not surprising on such a nebulous idea – some Scripture can be very malleable and lends itself easily to a wide range of interpretations…Personally I understand passages like Jesus saying "you are of your father the devil", to be figurative – that Jesus’ enemies were children of the devil by imitation. . Offhand I note some differences on seed of the serpent between the two: Branham’s teaching taught Cain was produced through sexual intercourse between Eve and the serpent in the garden. Branham believed that the Serpent Seed was the missing link between man and monkey ~ ~ ~ ~ wierwille taught seed of the serpent was spiritual – though he never explained how the devil can create seed nor how a human can be born-again of the serpent’s seed – just spewed out vague pat answers like making Satan your lord. wierwille followed the biblical narrative of humankind’s origin – did not believe in a missing link or conventional evolution.

Hi All, Late to the party Circling back to a couple of earlier ideas Amplified Bible For it is [not your strength, but it is] God who is effectively at work in you, both to will and to work [that is, strengthening, energizing, and creating in you the longing and the ability to fulfill your purpose] for His good pleasure. Philippians 2:13 After I left TWI, I started going to Christian bookstores to broaden my horizons – I was especially keen on this topic…(and still feel like a newbie – but that’s beside the point ). I bought a copy of Keep in Step with the Spirit by J.I. Packer( note I have a 1984 edition – the link is to a newer version ). Packer says some cool stuff commenting on Phil. 2:13 - It’s NOT being passive – as if it’s separate from you – you don’t go limp and switch on God – like sitting in a car, turning on the ignition key to use God to get somewhere. Packer said the Holy Spirit’s ordinary way of working in us is through our own mind and will. He moves us to act by causing us to see reasons which drive us to act. We’re being mindful. Our rational selfhood is strengthened instead of destroyed. Packer said this stuff in contrast to the focus of some movements that got into perfectionism, quietism, Gnosticism, erroneously elevating contemplation over action, disparaging individuality... See * below for a couple of the movements Packer referenced. That all got me thinking about I Corinthians 12 - 14 and Romans 12 . Paul is NOT giving detailed instructions on how to “operate” the Spirit…it occurred to me the believers already knew they had gifts – Paul is saying be orderly and appropriate with love, cheerfully serving the church with whatever your gifts are: 3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your a faith; 7if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, b do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully. Romans 12: 3 - 8 NIV ~ ~ ~ ~ And thinking about wierwille’s stance - studying “The Word” should be our highest priority – I can see how that would tend to de-emphasize having a relationship with a person (God) and stress connecting with a book. Not that there is anything wrong with studying the Bible. Compare having a relationship with another person to having a relationship with a book. People-relationships are two-sided, dynamic, and transformational. What one person does can have an affect on the other. There are two wills involved – the mental powers of two minds demonstrated in wishing, choosing, desiring, or intending. There’s the possibility of disagreement but also of having another perspective. Book-relationships are one-sided, semi-fixed or limited - depends on cognitive development. There’s the possibility I’m unaware of some necessary information, or I can forget, disregard something or deem it as unimportant or not applicable to me. Now when you mix wierwille’s wooden fundamentalist dogmatism, his disdain for believers following feelings / intuition and pushing a cult-leader’s homogenized version of you - the real you tends to get buried alive. What wierwille taught was the real you – was actually more along the lines of The Stepford Wives . If you think about the attitudes and decision-making-Way-Tree that was sewn into much of his work you’ll find his concept of the ideal believer is servile... compliant... submissive... a spineless person endowed with an almost robot-like ability to suppress emotions, ignore sensory input, and turn off logical subroutines. After 12 years of involvement, I managed to seamlessly superimpose an adaptive self over my authentic self – otherwise I wouldn’t have "lasted" for 12 years. My adaptive self enabled me to get along in a challenging cultic social environment like TWI with some “success” i.e., the least amount of conflict with others – but often at the expense of my authentic self going into hibernation... The longer one stays involved with TWI the more one’s authentic self gets buried under TWI’s values, goals, priorities, contrived interpersonal skills, cult-beliefs, cult-behaviors - all of which serves TWI more than one’s own best interest. I’m a study bug. I like having the Bible as a guideline. But I think of it now as more of “technical support” for help on issues I’m having with my relationship with God / Jesus Christ / the Holy Spirit personal want ad: authentic self seeking a long-term relationship with God. ~ ~ ~ ~ warning this section is for nerds who like to hear more details *a couple of the movements Packer referenced for being passive, prideful, and tending toward the annihilation of selfhood: Higher Life movement - Wikipedia = The main idea in the Keswickian theology of the Higher Life movement is that the Christian should move on from his initial conversion experience to also experience a second work of God in his life. This work of God is called “entire sanctification,” “the second blessing,” “the second touch,” “being filled with the Holy Spirit,” and various other terms. Higher Life teachers promote the idea that Christians who receive this blessing from God can live a more holy, that is less sinful or even a sinless, life. The Keswick approach seeks to provide a mediating and biblically balanced solution to the problem of subnormal Christian experience. The “official” teaching has been that every believer in this life is left with the natural proclivity to sin and will do so without the countervailing influence of the Holy Spirit. In light of Keswick teaching, Packer observes it may have influenced some people who can be described as pietistic elitists, with a sense of superiority that comes from thinking one knows esoteric spiritual secrets, exhibiting anti-intellectual prickliness, showing smug complacency that uses peace, joy, rest, and blessing as its buzzwords. Packer says maybe the doctrine attracted people who were already leaning in this direction for temperamental reasons – in which case the worst that can be said of it as a nurturing diet for them is that it has never seemed able to correct these particular forms of immaturity and spiritual pride… …I think some of Packer’s comments describe me in my TWI days / daze. ~ ~ ~ ~ Quietism (Christian contemplation) - Wikipedia = The "Quietist" heresy was seen by critics to consist of wrongly elevating "contemplation" over "meditation", intellectual stillness over vocal prayer, and interior passivity over pious action in an account of mystical prayer, spiritual growth and union with God (one in which, the accusation ran, there existed the possibility of achieving a sinless state and union with the Christian Godhead)… …It is possible to isolate similar tendencies (and similar concerns from the accusers) as those condemned in the seventeenth century "Quietist" controversy in earlier periods. In Hellenistic philosophy , the state of imperturbable serenity or ataraxia was seen as a desirable state of mind by Pyrrhonism , Epicureanism , Stoic and philosophers…In early Christianity, suspicion over forms of mystical teaching may be seen as controversies over Gnosticism in the second and third centuries, and over the Messalian heresy in the fourth and fifth centuries… …George Fox came to the conclusion that the only real spirituality was achieved by paying attention to the Holy Spirit (the godhead) through silence and founded the Quaker movement on this basis – one which shared much resemblance with "Quietist" thought. Quietist thinking was also influential among the British Quakers of the later 19th century, when the tract A Reasonable Faith, by Three Friends (William Pollard, Francis Frith and W. E. Turner (1884 and 1886)) caused sharp controversy with evangelicals in the society. You have reached the ultimate end of my post…go in peace

Release the Kraken !

Have fun storming the pyramid ... ... and don’t forget to pick up bread and milk at the store!

The Annual Tuxedo Convention: The line for the buffet seemed like it went on forever

Could be…thinking more on other things you’ve already said – let me put another idea on the table trust issues and lack of self-confidence often correlate to feelings of manipulation Not trying to play shrink – just trying to find common ground ~ ~ ~ ~ You grew up in TWI…I joined when I was 21 and left when I was 33…you’ve mentioned some folks can leave with no strings attached – I assumed you may have included me in that group since I got in and out of my own accord as an adult. In the short time that I was in TWI, it’s still taking me some 36 years to unpack some of the mental and emotional baggage since I left. A couple of the biggies are trust issues and lack of self-confidence. I think anyone who has been in TWI for any length of time has been impacted by an authoritarian religion. If one grew up in TWI, that’s probably a double whammy of being subjected to authoritarian parenting following an authoritarian religion…I can’t even begin to imagine what that’s like…My way corps training pales in comparison. It was only for 2 years - being cut off from outside information, newspapers, books, movies, and TV [no internet when I was there]. Being cloistered in the way corps training program separates one from nuclear family [if you’re single or couple no kids…Mom & Dad may sponsor you ] and/or extended family. In effect, the Way International’s leadership becomes one’s adoptive parents. Real familial relationships become overshadowed by the adoption into a “spiritual family”. ~ ~ ~ ~ I think culturally the strong bonds of being connected to others by kinship…by marriage…by blood are not what they used to be…for a variety of reasons and due to escalating forces in a fast-paced “connected” world - divorces…broken families…dysfunctionality…estrangements and rifts seem more common - perhaps because the support system that was traditionally found in families may now be found elsewhere such as social media or in organizations that seem to fulfill the need to belong. Maybe this means we've evolved way past the Medieval proverb ‘blood is thicker than water’ ( which meant that familial bonds will always be stronger than bonds of friendship or love). ~ ~ ~ ~ One of wierwille’s most divisive tools was his demanding followers choose the priority of “The Word” over earthly family. On many occasions I’ve heard him passionately preach on Matthew 12: 46-50 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” I like so many others bought into his polarizing idea – when it comes to “The Word” family and friends are not as important…wierwille often referred to us as “his kids”. You might find the following links interesting – articles written by mental health professionals: Why Authoritarians Love Religion | Psychology Today Authoritarian Parenting: Examples, Definition, Effects (verywellmind.com) ~ ~ ~ ~ Trust is a powerful thing…and yet also a very fragile thing. Trust is a subjective way of measuring how much I’m able to rely on and believe in the honesty and integrity of others. I bought into wierwille’s con job in ’74, taking PFAL. I “learned” NOT to trust any other Christian labeled group, NOT to trust commentaries, NOT to believe Bible scholars, and NOT to rely on any other interpretation of the Bible except what wierwille said about a passage or topic. These a priori assumptions I adopted from PFAL were a powerful tool of control. It is hidden though – camouflaged – or relabeled as trusting God…relying on what “The Word” says…believing “The Word” . The longer I stayed in TWI and especially going through way corps training, my self-confidence was whittled away some more. I learned to NOT make any big decisions until I first checked with my leadership. Trust is a very fragile thing indeed. Like a house of cards my belief system fell apart in the wake of passing of the patriarch paper…It wasn’t so much what was in the POP paper but observing the meltdown of leadership in the aftermath. My observations got me to dust off a bunch of old red flags and over time my trust in wierwille, my faith in everything he said about the Bible melted away…I felt helpless…I had all my eggs in one basket – and didn’t know what I should do . Who should I talk to? Who should I consult for what I should be doing next? ~ ~ ~ ~ I get the idea of the tattoo “Trust no one” - a reminder that you shouldn’t rely on others. A good idea – but unless you live on a deserted island all by yourself you will have to have some self-confidence in your ability to make good judgements “Is this the best option / price / service / product / fit for me?” That’s going to take some thinking, comparing, self-awareness of preferences, goals, etc. Should I trust that person / service / company / product? Is that person a true friend of mine? Trust is earned. What evidence is there to show they or it is trustworthy? ~ ~ ~ ~ I recently read a news article – it was posted on Grease Spot too – about a person running for political office. The person was an election denier who claimed the 2020 election was rigged – stolen, and there was massive voter fraud. Anyone who wants to argue about that – take it to reddit – why I’m mentioning it here is because this person running for office was in TWI for a while – don’t know if he still is. Why I’m bringing it up here is because the cult of personality mindset is adaptable and can take many forms. In my opinion, conspiracy theory websites can also sabotage peoples’ cognitive skills. If current or ex-TWI folks don’t unravel the manipulative cult-tactics, they could fall for other con jobs. Steven Hassan the author of Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves and Combating Cult Mind Control: The #1 Best-selling Guide to Protection, Rescue, and Recovery from Destructive Cults has written another fascinating book about a cult of personality – but since politics is a no-no on Grease Spot Café I’ll leave it up to you to click on this hyperlink, that has been encrypted to protect the indolent > The Cult of Orange-Hole: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How the Orange-Hole Uses Mind Control ~ ~ ~ ~ No offense – but I feel like you’re condescending. Like I’m a child and not aware of the adult world of manipulative tactics, propaganda or that I can’t trust my own cognitive skills. Seems like you’re trying to take the place of the absent cult-leader. If you’re not – fine. Please quit trying to belittle the internet, Waydale, Grease Spot Café and my cognitive skills. I’m an adult…I assume you’re an adult. Please speak to me as one adult to another – in normal language – don’t be cryptic and insinuating. This has been silly with your enigmatic prose and allusions – you come off like a TWI-know-it-all who has the inside scoop on what’s really going on talking to a new grad of PFAL. You can also stuff all the fearmongering over scams, the internet, deep state talk, conspiracies, surveillance, etc. I was a security technician for some 40 years…started out working for several security companies that provided electronic and armed personnel services in commercial, industrial, and residential settings. Along the way I have also managed to provide technical support for military defense contractors, military armories, corporations, police agencies, high end security consultants. I’ve been vetted by Feds, polygraphed several times, drug-tested, had psyche tests, and one job interview that lasted 7 hours (they did buy me lunch ). I’ve been trained in physical security by former Secret Service, trained in surveillance, social engineering tactics and countersurveillance by former Feds – an ever-evolving discipline to keep up with the bad guys – but I don’t keep up with it anymore since I’m retired. I have conducted security sweeps for CEOs, business facilities, and politicians. I’ve been trained in certain aspects of network protection by credentialed security experts. And up until 2019 I have owned and operated my own security consulting / technical support company. Now my favorite hi-tech security measure is using the “Silence Unknown Callers” feature on my phone. I love it! Robots and scammers don’t even bother to leave a voice mail anymore. Thanks for listening to this braggart – I don’t usually boast this much – but it gets tiresome listening to someone hem and haw over all this stuff…you’re preaching to the choir! I realize and respect what you have said – I know you’re smart and you sound like you know what you’re talking about. Don’t you worry about me, okay? I’m a freakin’ feral animal - I escaped from cultic domestication and now living free…untamed…I get my news from a variety of websites / periodicals/ books / fact-check sources and broadcast channels. I vote over issues and pay attention to track records if any – I never vote straight party. I don’t believe everything I read on the internet. I trust family, friends, neighbors, old bosses & co-workers, and certain Grease Spotters who have earned my trust – and bear in mind because vigilance, safety and security are in my blood there’s always a vetting process running in the back of my mind no matter who I interact with. ~ ~ ~ ~ Studying machinations, political science and debunking conspiracies and rabbit holes is a hobby of mine. As an aside from my own years of observation and study I believe there is evidence of conspiracy in the JFK assassination but not necessarily in all the complex intrigue that has been disseminated over the years – just mentioning this as evidence I love to exercise critical thinking and that shooting holes in untenable conspiracy theories is not that difficult a task. You’re free to think what you want about the internet, Waydale, TWI, Grease Spot Café. You don’t have to trust me or believe anything I say. I really don’t care what you think of me. Please stop insulting me with your demeaning rhetoric. I say this in love - stop the intrigue stuff or I swear to all that’s wholly cerebral and virtual – I will respond with more verbosity the likes of which will put a thesaurus to shame / disgrace / embarrassment / humiliation – and I will enjoy doing it. If you fall asleep reading it – that’s your problem. zzzzZZZZ ZZZzzzz...see I brought this on myself love and peace T-Bone

Yeah – I don’t disagree on that. In general for those who have devices – we all spend way too much time looking at them Bots and AI are programmed and set up by people – there’s been some interesting documentaries on that. Unless you’re talking about Skynet from Terminator movies becoming self-aware - - I am saying it all comes down to certain people making decisions with specific goals in mind…for SMALL example – if I shop online for a bass guitar or commentary on the book of Revelation – thanks to Bots and AI, when I look at a news feed I see little ads for bass guitars and commentaries on the same page. Yeah, I agree somewhat…I’m no online expert – but in my little experience with Grease Spot, when there’s interesting discussions / sincere posters / Socratic method that’s a lot of effort being put into a thoughtful process. my expanded literal revision of what’s been said – it’s as follows (your expanded literal revision may differ): the internet can be a double-edged sword – depending on the intent and agenda of all those involved… A cooperative effort by IT people can monetize online activity into various goods and services.

My reason was upfront and honest about the particulars - my first question to all was to find out what specific topics are still included / excluded from the new PFAL Today class. YOU ignored that and launched a promo for PFAL doctrine and a cult-leader “gone extra rogue” (Craig) And because of YOUR off-topic advertisements my next questions to YOU were: did you take the new PFAL Today class or were you involved in the production of the new PFAL Today class? Remarkable how you turned things around by avoiding specific questions and yak about something unrelated. Remarkable just remarkable! Oh, so you admit you don’t know $hit about the new PFAL Today class. Why didn’t you say so in the first place? That’s weird!

You’re basically saying what I said – you just used different words...check this out: or in other words, the internet is a collective that dices human interaction into numerous commodities