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Always the same run around by Mike to blame-shift and cut his idol some slack It can’t be wierwille’s fault - even though he created the corps program and ran it with a tight fist! You weren’t allowed to fart at corps night unless you could show line by line from PFAL, what’s available, how to receive it and what to do with it after you’ve farted it. But don’t take my word for it - I only was in the way corps - so what do I know? Mike has actually NEVER BEEN in the way corps so believe him for sure! True confession time: don’t listen to me as I go on and on about wierwille’s plagiarism and shoddy research skills . I could probably write 100 books on 100 of wierwille’s most hyped up bull-$hit from PFAL — don’t worry I’ll spare everyone the expense of buying my books of looooooong. zzzzZZZ ZZzzzz dissertations with proper attribution - you can read it for free - subscribe to the Why PFAL sucks thread now - operators who operate all nine phone lines all the time are standing by! But don’t waste you time looking into the fatal errors and logical fallacies in wierwille’s theology that Grease Spotters have pointed out. You should listen to Mike who looked into all this stuff before wierwille even learned to copy Johnny Jump Up’s theme paper in the 5th grade . Be smart listen to Mike! He knows all ! I wish I met Mike before I joined TWI then he would’ve helped me stay the course. He alone remained faithful to a plagiarizing-drunken-son-of-a-bi+ch-sexual-Predator-berating-self-inflating-ego-on-a-100-foot-pedestal-with-delusions-of-grandeur! Mike has stayed faithful to wierwille through thick and thin hijackings and pirating. Unlike those pesky Snappers - Mike has absorbed every single drop of wierwille’s Kool-Aid, made it his own - 2nd generation plagiarist - and then took it to some next level bull-$hit. Why did I even go int the corps ? Why did I even call Moody correspondence registrar’s office? I should have just believed Mike. In the beginning there was wierwille’s turd. And the turd become Mike’s god. And the turd was god. Happy is he that flusheth not the turd that wierwille $hitteth.

Yahoo – I’m going to Mar-a-Lago Disneyland !!!!!!

yeah thanks for the reminder New biblical research found there were over 60 others crucified with Jesus Christ. Documentation will be added in PFAL Today note there were several Jesus lookalikes in the mix

oh you'd love to get your beloved idol off the hook wouldn't you Mike. wierwille did NOT care about LEARNING ANYTHING !!!!!!!! he WANTED - WANTED - WANTED - THE FVCKING CREDIT, dum dum Mike, you know it's true - wierwille was a shyster - a con man!!!!! That's why he PLAGIARIZED the work of others - that's why he got a fake doctor's degree - he wants the credit but doesn't want to do the work...him claiming he took everything that Moody had to offer through correspondence courses - fits perfectly with his modus operandi - he took the easiest route - a dishonest shortcut actually - deciding to claim he took correspondence courses - who would think to check on that one? oh, the absurdity in your wierwille-defending-endeavors! You so funny Mike - this is some of that new comedy therapy, right? taking a little breather from your fruitless attempts to push God's budgetary bugaboos? Somebody please show this clown the double doors. where will he show up next? The Absent Christ thread? The NT canon thread? Where’s Waldo Mike ? Finding Nemo Mike ? good luck!

doesn't matter dum dum - Moody says he never completed a class. how about all the folks who signed up and started to take PFAL - but then dropped out. Are they considered grads? Probably in your mysterious logic you'll figure a way to make them grads. whatever captain atom smasher !

why not feed your bull-$hit into the superficial intelligence I bet it will come out more bull-$hitier. The input hole is around the corner where the sun don't shine. might have to give it a good little shove to reach the 7th planet from the sunshine.

oh goodness yes - to all my brothers and sisters in Family 11 way corps...fell on deaf ears...at the time my wife and I were the ONLY ones who left in 1986. Have dialoged by mail and phone with a few of our closest friends - only 1 couple remained our friends - but they stuck with TWI and only left when they wanted to buy a home and of course upper leadership said out of the question. Surely you jest, Mike. I've first posted that letter from Moody shortly after I joined Grease Spot - brought it up many times over the years on different threads. They've had lots of time to challenge the evidence. what do you think they OR you are going to say or show to disprove hard evidence. you make me laugh at your childish attempts to defend wierwille- your idol. see above answer - how many times are you going to repeat yourself? Even if you want to give wierwille the benefit of a doubt and suggest he may have purchased a bunch of courses but did not complete them – I would say that’s doubtful – it still doesn’t agree with what he said “I took everything I could take at the Moody Bible Institute too, through their correspondence courses.” Note personal pronoun " I " and wierwille quantifies what he took - 'everything" ...so that eliminates your options 1 - 4 !!!! Eat the evidence pinhead-atom-smasher-wannabe! And don't quit your day job of cleaning windows. Option 5 is eliminated because wierwille claimed he took the classes from Moody's correspondence courses. That would eliminate the matter of borrowing them from someone else. Even if he purchased ten classes but didn’t complete any of them – how could he say he took everything Moody Bible Institute Correspondence School had to offer? He made a vague and misleading statement. You're a goofball Mike - pay attention and read what's written. Your stupid gaslighting techniques don't work on me. Just a reminder to red what's written - both wierwille's claim in The Way Living in Love: “I took everything I could take at the Moody Bible Institute too, through their correspondence courses." And compare to what Moody registrar’s letter “This is to verify that Victor Wierwille did not complete a course with us.” Geez, Mike you get stupider and stupider every day. That's surprisingly contradictory coming from a guy who claims he predicted AI 25 years ago. Dream on Klingon

didn't wierwille claim he invented the hook shot? and did someone here say wierwille claimed to have the idea behind McDonalds? Probably his best bull-$hit claim is his cover-up of massive plagiarism: on page 178 of “The Way Living in Love” wierwille stated “I was praying. And I told Father outright that He could have the whole thing, unless there were real genuine answers that I wouldn't ever have to back up on. And that's when He spoke to me audibly, just like I'm talking to you now. He said He would teach me the Word as it had not been known since the first century if I would teach it to others. Well, I nearly flew off my chair. I couldn't believe that God would talk to me.” On page 209 of Whiteside’s book wierwille comments on the content of what he teaches: “Lots of the stuff I teach is not original. Putting it all together so that it fit – that was the original work. I learned wherever I could, and then worked that with the Scriptures. What was right on with the Scriptures, I kept; but what wasn’t, I dropped.”

I wonder how many folks anticipated the revealing power of an internet-based website like Grease Spot Café, exposing the dark underbelly of a harmful and controlling cult like The Way International. I’m kind of proud of my amateur investigative ability – which was energized by a reawakening of cognitive skills, when I left in 1986 from having a strong sense of disillusionment because of the failure of wierwille / Craig / TWI / the way corps program and WOW program to fulfill declared goals. There was also the constant accumulation of red flags when I observed inconsistencies between the actions of wierwille and Craig and the ideals they supposedly represented. In the authorized book on TWI, titled “The Way Living in Love” (by Elena S. Whiteside, co 1972, American Christian Press, Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 72-89132), on page 175, Whiteside quotes wierwille as he talked about his studies and influences: “I don’t remember much of the past. I’ll have to renew my mind. Oh yes, did I tell you I taught at Gordon Divinity School? Homiletics was my specialty – that’s preaching. I took everything I could take at the Moody Bible Institute too, through their correspondence courses. And in the years that followed, there were many men I learned from: Glenn Clark, Karl Barth from Switzerland, E. Stanley Jones, Paul Tillich, Starr Daily, Rufus Mosley, Dr. John Gaynor Banks, and there were many, many others. I tried to get all I could from anybody.” end of excerpts ~ ~ ~ ~ When my wife and I left TWI in ’86 – it was a time for a lot of soul-searching for both of us. I didn’t know what I was attempting to do. I didn’t know much at the time but as I think of it now peeling back the disorienting layers of a pathological liar, an unabashed plagiarist, a megalomaniac, a sexual predator and an incompetent teacher all rolled into one is a tough job best reserved for professional psychologists . While checking on some of the details of what wierwille had said about himself in “The Way Living in Love” book, I decided to use a criterion that wierwille himself used at the beginning of the PFAL class. He was reading from John 10:10 “The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly” - he said either Jesus lied to us here or he told the truth. If he lied to us here – then we ought to chuck the whole thing away – because, he reasoned, if the Bible is not trustworthy here it’s not trustworthy anywhere else so why waste your time…and now ironically, I had found myself gravitating toward the same criterion – if I could find some serious falsehood – then that would be a good reason to review and reevaluate everything. As a matter of fact, I used that as an explanation for why I was putting my relationship with TWI on hold. To upper leadership and all the believers in my area I was clear and concise in expressing the reason for my resignation from any TWI-responsibilities (at the time my assignment was to oversee all the TWI-fellowships of an area about the size of three mid-sized cities) . I would often refer to I Thessalonians 5:21 “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good”. I focused on what wierwille said about his education. In early June of 1987, I contacted The Moody Correspondence School Department of the Moody Bible Institute and spoke with Vivian Ruby in the Registrar’s Office. I was stunned to find out they had no record of wierwille completing a course with them. I couldn’t believe it. I didn’t want to believe it. I had to have something more tangible than a woman’s voice over the phone telling me that in effect wierwille lied about something in his education. I asked her to mail me that information in a letter with Moody Correspondence School’s official letterhead…the letter reads as follows: June 29, 1987 To whom it may concern, This is to verify that Victor Wierwille did not complete a course with us. This is not to say that he didn’t purchase a course from us but that he did not complete one. We do not keep records for courses that are not complete for more than 10 years. Sincerely, Vivian Ruby Registrar’s Office end of Moody letter I quoted it here in case the picture below gets lost in cyberspace ~ ~ ~ ~ You know, Mike for a guy that brags about how he anticipated AI stuff , it seems you’ve got your own WI - - wierwille intelligence – (an OxyContin-moron figure of speech that combines the stupefying opioid-like effect of a cult-leader’s Kool-Aid with the cleverness of a bag of rocks). ~ ~ ~ ~ Mike, turn off your wierwille intelligence system for a moment and for once in your life think for yourself!

If you ask me the WOW program was a glorified trick to make PFAL grads think it’s biblical - spreading the gospel - but it’s just motivating them to get another PFAL class together…each one reach one new customer- sell them on the greatest con in the world today…always be closing. if wierwille was genuinely interested in spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ, I think he should have instructed all his followers to share stuff out of the 4 gospels and how having a genuine dynamic transformative relationship with their Lord Jesus Christ changed their life - - instead of blabbing about the stupid PFAL class . And the corps program is the mini-wierwille clone factory. “ we have ways of making you stick with PFAL”. Indoctrination on steroids! From the heart of our beloved cult-leader - - drop-shipped into a living room near you. Shipping charges (corps sponsorship is optional but highly recommended) will redeem blessings 10, 20 and a hundredfold of wadded up counterfeit money. Each one blood-let one.

from the perch of Ambassador One, he soaked up the adoration from his loyal followers - - the new assistant said to him "gee, that was a really creepy video you showed us at the pajama party last night"

If I had been reading your posts for understanding, you would have had enough time to read Undertow a 20,000 times over, make a book report with selfie pictures of the shock on your face that wierwille really was a shyster, and circles, arrows and paragraphs on the back of each selfie, and several theme papers including "what I learned from Undertow that convinced me what a wierwille-worshipper I've been", and "why it took me 15 years, 11 months, 24 days, 19 hours, 58 seconds, and 200 milliseconds to read a 475 page book" and "The amazing literary structure of Undertow the A-B-C-B-As of escaping a cult", write the screenplay for a film, create a musical and start a line of PFAL action figures - wierwille as the puppet-master - collect all nine all the time. you missed understanding that the way corps was created by wierwille based on the material in PFAL...the way corps program sucked because PFAL sucked because material plagiarized by an incompetent shyster who didn't know what he was doing sucks.

wierwille knew plagiarizing, lying and sexually molesting women was wrong. To justify his inner demons telling him it was okay to do whatever his little old sinful heart desired, it would be necessary to be the best hypocrite he could be – and that meant teaching his followers to obey the moral dictates of the Bible – while he did as he full pleased.

Please oh please Mister Grease Spotter kind sir - don't take my idol away - - - - please don't !!!!!! It's all I've got !!!!!

what false facts ?!?!?! you're hilarious, Mike The Bible said we prove we've repented of sins and turned to God by the way we live - behavior - something that is visible to others - like wierwille plagiarizing the works of others - that's a fact! like sexually molesting way corps women - the victim's testimonies - facts ! don't have to wait for the judgement seat - the verdict is already in for unrepentant sinners who were slaves to life-dominating sins : New International Version But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”...Revelation 21:8

sorry Mike - pulling the bogus dispensationalism card doesn't work in this game! proving you've repented by how you live appears elsewhere in the NT New Living Translation Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.” you lose once again at trying to defend a wolf in sheep's clothing

and do you know when wierwille stopped his deplorable behavior? oh check it out wierwille's # 1 fan - Scripture says we prove we have repented of our sins and turned to God by the way we live - it's walking the talk, Mike - not talking up a good walk : Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God. Matthew 3:8 NLT ol' wierwille didn't even try to be a good person! - - - didn't even try, Mike !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are to be pitied for loving the $hit out of a dead idol ! What gives? Why have you invested so much in a wolf in sheep's clothing? Have a heart - think about all his victims, his wife and kids, the genuine Christians who thought they were following a genuine minister of God. ok if you're speaking about yourself. no one can speak for wierwille. he be daid. I hope for the sake of his eternal soul he repented on his death bed. I wouldn't want to wish the punishment he deserves from the God of justice for all the people he victimized.

Nope ! you're wrong - got the goods on wierwille as an unrepentant big time exceeding abundantly above all that inner demons could ask or think sinner of epic proportions: Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God. Matthew 3:8 NLT He proved by the way he lived a grossly depraved lifestyle that he never repented of his sins NOR turned to God. I covered this in a previous session of your crass budgetary class on bar room double doors. shame on you for sleeping through that session for your penance do a chapter report on something you read in Undertow if not Mike - who? if not now - when will he do it?

143. You pay to take it the first time – and you must pay goo-gobs in tuition to hear it again as the curriculum in the way corps program. ever wonder what's inside the corps mind?

Gee Mike, I wonder how Mrs. Wierwille and the kids felt about Vic’s persistent depraved behavior. I wonder how way corps women felt sexually molested by “the teacher” of PFAL / president & founder of TWI / creator of the way corps program. Mike , Sorry to be judgmental here - but I think you ought to be ashamed of how calloused you can be defending a creep like wierwille. I think there’s something out of whack with your scale of values - I may be grabbing at straws here but I feel God and Jesus Christ wouldn’t approve of your value system either.

Sure Mike whatever you say 1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. 4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, a putting them in chains of darkness b to be held for judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the fleshc and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from d the Lord. 12But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish. 13They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. e 14With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! 15They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer, f who loved the wages of wickedness. 16But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness. 17These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” 20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,”g and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.” iI Peter 2

How is that holding onto the good of PFAL been working out for you?

Nope - Solomon and David were repentant...wierwille was a repeat-offender of epic proportions ! He was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Mike, quick trying to shoehorn your beloved and really tarnished idol into the shoes of a real man of God. You're being childish...stubborn...ridiculous. This is the kind of stuff that trolls do. or fanatical idol worshippers. Please provide Biblical support for your assertion that God continues to work in willfully stubborn and unrepentant sinners. I'm curious as to what Scriptures you might attempt to twist into your idolatrous support of an unabashed plagiarist, pathological liar, megalomanic, malignant narcissist, drunkard, abuser, mean-spirited, sexual predator.

Mike, my dear Brother we are so close it’s not even funny. About the only thing I really disagree with you on is your assumption I’m doing black & white thinking or absolute thinking. I used to think that way – but since I left TWI I’ve been working on broadening the spectrum – which gives me a wider range of options to think about and choose from – like this monochromatic value scale: ~ ~ ~ ~ Polarized, black-and-white thinking is a big problem. It distorts our understanding of realities involving shades of gray, which most human realities are. Binary thinking produces misleading maps of a complicated, nuanced world. When we face difficult situations, all-or-none thinking blinds us to the possibility of a middle ground, leaving us with only simple, extreme options that rarely work. This type of cognition results in maladaptive emotions and behaviors, an array of mental health diagnoses too numerous to mention, and in its milder and more common forms, all sorts of problems in living and relationships. Everyone engages in black and white thinking sometimes, because it is quicker and easier than careful consideration of a spectrum of possibilities. Problems arise when we rely on it too much, especially in dealing with emotionally important situations, issues and relationships. Persistent problems in a particular life area suggest that some kind of dichotomous thinking is going on below the surface, driving the ineffective functioning. This is especially true when extreme emotions and/or behaviors occur, because these are the hallmarks of polarized cognition. From: How to Assess Black-&-White Thinking in Yourself and Others | Psychology Today End of excerpts ~ ~ ~ ~ I am no different than you Mike. I don’t have this Hollywood idea of the Christian lifestyle. I have a realistic idea of the Christian lifestyle. My day-to-day ‘interior’ living is an irregular pattern of switching back and forth between black and white thinking and a monochromatic value scale – but now after being out of TWI for some 37 years, it’s using the monochromatic value scale much more than using black and white thinking. As an example of before and after in self-examination: Recapping the extraordinary details of T-Bone’s Exciting Escape from Crazy Town > TBEEFCT episode whatever first aired 5/04/2023 1:04 AM , remember new episodes drop each time big-wierwille-fans drop the ball, streaming exclusively on Grease Spot TV cue the theme music and text “the more you know”: 1986: I left in 1986 from having a strong sense of disillusionment because of the failure of wierwille / Craig / TWI / the way corps program and WOW program to fulfill declared goals. There was also the constant accumulation of red flags when I observed inconsistencies between the actions of wierwille and Craig and the ideals they supposedly represented. Without realizing it at the time, Mike – I was doing what I always did in TWI – using black and white thinking to judge myself and others. 12 years of ignoring red flags with the last two years of being in-residence way corps to see wierwille and Craig’s darker side, unguarded moments and connecting the dots of sexually molested women who kept a stiff upper lip and get on with the program. Yeah, I was furious. Outraged! How dare these hypocrites demand I walk the talk but not themselves. 1986 – 2023: Mike, I’m a lot harsher and more judgmental on myself than you will ever know. And I cut everyone a lot more slack than you may think. What pi$$es me off about how you assume I have an unrealistic ideal of the Christian lifestyle is that I don’t fault wierwille or Craig for being human – but for being pretentious, pontificating behind a double standard. I think very highly of anyone who bravely and honestly admits they have a problem and tries to do something about it. Like an alcoholic joining AA. I’ve been married some 47 years and have never cheated on my wife. But Jesus doesn’t cut me any slack when He said But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart…. Matthew 5:28 NIV I’m an old fart now and don’t have the drive I used to – and I’m too embarrassed…ashamed…to reveal the times I’ve committed adultery in my heart… and let me just say my wife satisfies me completely in the 3 types of love (agape, phileo, eros) - so what can I say in my defense? I used to be a greedy horny little ba$tard. - but long ago I decided it’s better to please God and honor my Lord Jesus Christ…for me it’s been more of a spiritual battle within than without - now I’m pretty good about heading the temptation off at pass - - so the battle gets easier…so much for letting you in on my sinful nature.. .got better at nipping those thoughts in the bud and I have had and continue to have long talks with close friends – believers usually - on this issue I have. I want to do better. Mike, these are the comparisons I get into evaluating what I do versus what hypocrites like wierwille, and Craig did. At least I try to do better in watching what I think about and how I interact with women other than my wife - - and - - so far in 47 years of marriage - - I have not consummated my lustful thoughts of another woman which would do even more harm to others – the repercussions of to my wife and kids, to the woman’s life – and if she’s married and has kids, the consequences hit them too. One last thought. I talked about a love / hate relationship I have with wierwille and Craig on another thread. Folks who use black and white thinking don’t understand how that’s possible. Maybe it’s because they see the love / hate relationship in equal parts – 50% love and 50% hate. I don’t think that’s the way our minds usually work - or we’d be immobilized by strong and equally contradictory desires – like Robby the Robot in Forbidden Planet. There’s a great scene when his creator demonstrates the safety features built into Robby. See Robby the Robot - laws of robotics scene in Forbidden Planet (1956 film) - if it doesn’t go directly to the spot it begins at the 1:9-minute mark. My love / hate relationship with wierwille and Craig is like 20% love and 80% hate. They’re human beings – imperfect, yes – but I admire the good qualities I recognize in them and can relate to them as fellow humans – I don’t paint them up as absolute monsters. The 80% I hate is their unrepentant sinful behavior that earned them the titles of whatever their life-dominating sins were/are – sexual predator, liar, thief, etc. In good healthy relationships I think the ratio is 90% love of all that is decent, honorable, beneficial to self and others and 10% hate of the sinful nonsense that comes with every human.

Here’s what gets me. In 1968 PFAL, wierwille gives this overly dramatic story of preaching on the abuse of alcohol. After the sermon, an alcoholic approaches wierwille and complains he came to church that day to find a way out of alcoholism. wierwille’s preaching only pushed him deeper into it. wierwille swears off ever giving another negative sermon on the abuse of alcohol ever again. I attended PFAL ’77, and wierwille’s ‘performance’ was so bad and it was for multiple reasons – but one reason that comes to mind is that he was drunk – on stage – for much of his ‘teaching’ time…so maybe he never gave another sermon on the abuse of alcohol - but evidently, he mastered it - - his life became a living sermon on the abuse of alcohol…remember kids ya gotta know what’s available, know how to receive it, know what to do with it after you’ve got it, blah dee blah blah. Wouldn’t that be the ultimate-cosmic-mind-fvck if that were true ?!?! Think what that would mean. How many thousands of TWI-followers…TWI-clergy…left during that massive exodus in 1986 – many left even before that – the timing isn’t the thing to look at – think about why they left – not when. think of how many had a strong sense of disillusionment derived from the failure of wierwille / Craig / TWI / the way corps program and all the other programs to fulfill declared goals. Think of how many saw inconsistencies between the actions of wierwille and Craig and the ideals they supposedly represented. If I had to simplify and sum up why I left in 1986 that would be it. …Now… What if Mike’s statement is true? “VPW was God's spokesman at the time” I joined TWI in 74 because I thought wierwille was the real deal. I left in 86 because I realized he was a phony. Now here I am in 2023 and Mike is saying God was in on the con too. Well $hit. The Bible doesn’t make sense anymore. My faith is based on nothing. I’ve been coming to Grease Spot Café for some 17 years - arguing with wierwille-worshipping-goofballs over how hypocritical wierwille was – and come to find out from one of these goofballs that God is deceitful too. $hit. I feel like an idiot. I'm thinking there must not be a benevolent righteous deity around who could kick this lying God’s a$$ - otherwise the more powerful divine being who I assume would have a bigger budget would have done it already. Why didn’t wierwille tell me about this in PFAL? Why did I waste 12 years of my life serving a phony God. This is very embarrassing. I wonder how many other Grease Spotters know this. Maybe I’ll see what those conspiracy theories websites and UFO websites got to say.