T-Bone

If so - they’ve gone from new and improved back to everything old is new again…makes me want to break out in song…you might remember this one by a blunderful old con-artist…it’s called will recycle be unbroken: will recycle be unbroken buy and buy a load, buy and buy there’s a better scam a-waiting in the lies, load up more lies what a tune...I like the beat...I think you can dance to it...yeah... ...yeah... it’s a real toe-tapper, financial zapper, frustrations and failures a real bi+ch slapper... ...like a mind-napper a naïve trapper gonna send your life down the great white crapper... always gunning for you the bull$hit rapper - don't ever get into their ring and fight a soul scrapper... ...T-Bone out (drops the mic)

ok - as you know the movie is Vanishing Point ...I like how the plot of the whole movie is on the poster: the chase, the desert, the shack, the girl, the road block, the end == == == == == well..if you want me to try another...here goes

the character's name in this movie is indeed Kowalski - I don't know if he was given a first name. Played by actor Barry Newman...On the Waterfront came out in 1954...This movie came out in 1971...and the car that Kowalski is driving is a 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T...ah yes this car - Wikipedia gives some more details about its use in the movie: "Stunt Coordinator Carey Loftin said he requested the Dodge Challenger because of the "quality of the torsion bar suspension and for its horsepower" and felt that it was "a real sturdy, good running car." Five Alpine White Dodge Challenger R/Ts were lent to the production by Chrysler for promotional consideration and were returned upon completion of filming. Four cars had 440 engines equipped with four-speeds; the fifth car was a 383 with automatic. No special equipment was added or modifications made to the cars, except for heavier-duty shock absorbers for the car that jumped over No Name Creek."

sorry guess I picked a real oddball... here's a picture of the car/driver and the predominant action going on throughout the whole movie and from Wikipedia: "...The story was based on two actual events: the disgraced career of a San Diego police officer and a high-speed pursuit of a man who refused to stop and was killed when he crashed into a police roadblock. Infante modeled the character of Super Soul after legendary rock and roll singer The Big Bopper. His script reflected the popular counterculture lifestyle of the time, containing elements of rebellion, drugs, sexual freedom, and rock and roll… …The ending (and implicitly the theme of the film) has been the source of much debate, including one interpretation that the entire film is a post-death flashback after the car crashes into the bulldozers. The viewer is left guessing why Kowalski insists on driving to San Francisco immediately and then drives heedlessly across four states to his death. Kowalski says only, "I gotta be in Frisco 3 o'clock tomorrow afternoon." When Jake scoffs that Kowalski is putting him on, Kowalski says, "I wish to God I was." "

Hi ProbablyAnAtheist, I doubt if anything I’d say could be relevant to you now since I got involved with TWI some 46 years ago (1974) - except for some similar aspects you described in your relationship…I was raised Roman Catholic, by late teens, no longer practicing, I met a young girl who was in TWI, we dated for a while, I got much more involved than she did, some 12 years later (1986) started to realize how corrupt it was (as you alluded to) and left, began reevaluating stuff, joined Grease Spot in 2006 – which expanded my horizons on a lot of things…yada yada yada…and now I think I’m a Christian agnostic (I know - I yada yadad over the best part – I should have mentioned the bisque ). Since I left some 34 years ago - I cannot speak to whether or not TWI has gotten better. You might want to do some more reading on Grease Spot that might be more up to date. Look in About the Way forum – Skyrider, WordWolf, Penworks, Rocky and a few others have some very informative threads – that get into the moral corruption, convoluted theology (a weird mix of fundamentalism, spiritualism, Gnosticism, know-it-all-ism… oh and plagiarism ), and the cultic mindset of TWI. Besides looking at the titles of the threads, you can also use the search engine at the top right of the page. Sometimes - on long threads or older threads - it might be helpful to click on the last few pages of a thread to read the input of folks who left TWI more recently…If you’re feeling a little froggy you might ask the TWI person you're dating some pointed questions – but that’s up to you. Getting back to your situation – I should at least say a few things as I reflect on my experience and how it may relate to yours. When I first met the girl who introduced me to TWI – I was already in a “searching mode” to try and figure out the big questions of life – color me naïve/a visual artist/musician really into the counterculture of the times. Back then the Catholic Mass was mostly in Latin and I rarely cracked open the Bible anyway. So anyone promising to make the Bible easy to understand and answer the big questions of life sounded pretty good to me. So, contrary to your situation – mine was focused on checking out this Bible-has-everything-you-need-to-know-about-life group. I was not really interested in developing a relationship with anyone at that time. Although I will add later on I went into TWI’s missionary program (W.O.W.) and where I met my future wife; we married, eventually went into TWI’s leadership training program (the way corps) – and from our mutual experiences of 12 years in TWI, we both came to the same conclusion - TWI was really fvcked up. We’re still together after 44 years and I will say this – in my opinion relationships based on simple things like love, respect, honesty, acceptance, etc. (and some common interests wouldn’t hurt either ) will fare a lot better than a relationship based on one’s acceptance of TWI doctrine. Again I don’t know how long term relationships fare in TWI nowadays – but back when I was in, the social dynamics of the group were mostly detrimental to natural, honest relationships whether family or friends…some family members became estranged, some couples divorced, some friendships were broken, some social ties were severed – often because the common denominator was that one party made TWI the MOST IMPORTANT thing. I don’t know if that last point (accepting TWI doctrine as the basis for a relationship) is a deal-breaker to either you or the TWI person. If so – I don’t know what else to say – except maybe ask if either one of you is willing to compromise…and I also wonder if you anticipate any pressure or flak from the parents who are higher up in TWI – since you don't seem to be onboard with their ideology. Good luck

Got it George...Hey Human - first picture was the one I quoted here - at gunpoint in car and this is 2 shots of the final scene of the movie - the approach... and a few seconds later the bottom line ( ) - if you've seen this movie, the ending pictured above is a dead giveaway - I'm not aware of many movies that have such a downer of an ending.

please clarify - am I disqualified? not like I didn't deserve it...so sorry guys...I'm like a super-ball in a china closet.

yeah I get it - and I don't believe you cheat...since I'm severely limited on the file size for captured pictures - I have to go with a URL link - and can't change the URL wording/numbers I will have to make sure the link doesn't give it away. thanks

I never paid for the magazine ...just one of the many perks of having an older brother...not to mention all the hand-me-down clothes == == == == ok - next movie - if you can't figure it out just use WordWolf's "shortcut"

what ?!?! that sounds like cheating I propose we have a safe word for when one needs to interrupt a tough round - like supercalifragilisticexpialidocious ...well...just a thought

Darn - I should have paid more attention to the articles ... don’t know - I haven’t seen “Fast Times at Ridgemont High” - believe it or not - but that looks like Sean Penn

sorry about that...issue another demerit to the new guy...I saw it in '95, a friend loaned me his copy of it on VHS. I think it's your turn - since you would have got it.

Guess I picked a real oddball Spielberg’s first feature length movie “Duel” starring Dennis Weaver

ok - here's another scene...and to give you the main idea of the movie - the car/driver and the truck are in just about every scene of the movie...The script was adapted from a writer's own short story, he got the inspiration for the story when he was tailgated by a trucker while on his way home from a golfing match with a friend on November 22, 1963, the same day as the John F. Kennedy assassination...the film marks the feature length directorial debut of a well known director...this director's assistant came upon the short story in Playboy magazine - after reading it she then went into his office plopped it down on his desk - in his own words he described the incident - "I started laughing because she's giving me a Playboy to read, and she said, 'Don't look at the girls, read the short story. It is right up your alley.'"

I've always enjoyed Sudo's wit and presence at Grease Spot...and to his family and friends I'm sorry for your loss. rest in peace Sudo

it's NOT Mad Max...here's another scene:

Hi Penguin 2, in the grand scam of things - it's been the same old bull$hit the whole time - the important thing is that you left !

yeah - I think there's something about the characters Simon Pegg plays that I've seen - they have a touch of similarity - when he gets into a situation that is outside his comfort zone - he's sort of a I'm-not-really-cut-out-for-this-sort-of-thing-not-really-my-cup-of-tea kind of guy. == == == == ok - next movie

How about Incestuous Farmers Fvck You…or IFFY Usage has options: addressing them directly to express a heartfelt sentiment : "Hey Incestuous Farmers, fvck you !" referring to them by their abusive tactics: "TWI continues to screw their followers. That’s just so IFFY." or the much more declarative version "Those Incestuous Farmers fvck you every time!"

I haven't seen Hot Fuzz...I like Simon Pegg - but the only movies I've seen him in are the later Mission Impossible movies, the rebooted Star Trek movies - - - and... Shaun of the Dead - the only movie that I think would fit with your picture is Shaun of the Dead.

Wow, Out and About !!! Great post!!! That’s a great way to look at it…I think unconsciously I sometimes reflect on my life as before, during and after TWI – as if TWI was the most significant watershed moment of my entire life – like everything about me revolves around that…I like your idea of a pie chart – with more temporal distancing from TWI a pie chart would show its (TWI's) diminishing part-to-whole relationship with my entire life…I tend to rely on the power of focus when I think of my TWI experiences and get hyper-analytical. But there’s a distinct advantage to an overview – seeing the big picture which tends to put everything in proper perspective. Thanks !!!

You are correct, WordWolf !!!! I love this movie ! A couple of the big themes you'll find running throughout the movie are free will versus determinism and our actions have consequences.

what are you certain of - that you don't know it - or you do?

that's so funny George okay - here goes

I guess this would fall under the category of six degrees of filming locations . Filming for The Shining was on interior studio sets in England, exterior shots were of Glacier National Park in Montana like the VW Beetle driving on Going-to-the-Sun road and the Timberline Lodge in Oregon. ( see Wikipedia - The Shining ). I really get into the details of how movies are made and found out something else interesting about how Stephen King got the idea for The Shining: “The Stanley Hotel inspired the Overlook Hotel in Stephen King's 1977 bestselling novel The Shining and was a filming location for the related 1997 TV miniseries… In 1974, during their brief residency in Boulder, Colorado, horror writer Stephen King and his wife Tabitha spent one night at the Stanley Hotel.[10] The visit is known entirely through interviews given by King in which he presents differing narratives of the experience. At the time of his visit, King was writing a book with the working title Darkshine set in an amusement park, but was not satisfied with the setting. According to George Beahm's Stephen King Companion, "on the advisement of locals who suggested a resort hotel located in Estes Park, an hour's drive away to the north, Stephen and Tabitha King found themselves checking in at the Stanley Hotel just as its other guests were checking out, because the hotel was shutting down for the winter season. After checking in and after Tabitha went to bed [sic], King roamed the halls and went down to the hotel bar, where drinks were served by a bartender named Grady. As he returned to his room, numbered 217, his imagination was fired up by the hotel's remote location, its grand size, and its eerie desolation. And when King went into the bathroom and pulled back the pink curtain for the tub, which had claw feet, he thought, 'What if somebody died here? At that moment, I knew I had a book.'" In a 1977 interview by the Literary Guild, King recounted "While we were living [in Boulder] we heard about this terrific old mountain resort hotel and decided to give it a try. But when we arrived, they were just getting ready to close for the season, and we found ourselves the only guests in the place—with all those long, empty corridors." King and his wife were served dinner in an empty dining room accompanied by canned orchestral music: "Except for our table all the chairs were up on the tables. So the music is echoing down the hall, and, I mean, it was like God had put me there to hear that and see those things. And by the time I went to bed that night, I had the whole book [The Shining] in my mind." In another retelling, King said "I dreamed of my three-year-old son running through the corridors, looking back over his shoulder, eyes wide, screaming. He was being chased by a fire-hose. I woke up with a tremendous jerk, sweating all over, within an inch of falling out of bed. I got up, lit a cigarette, sat in a chair looking out the window at the Rockies, and by the time the cigarette was done, I had the bones of The Shining firmly set in my mind." From: Wikipedia - The Stanley Hotel == == == == == The first night of our honeymoon was at The Stanley Hotel – this was in November some 44 years ago. And just like King described above, the hotel was shutting down for the season. We pretty much had the place to ourselves – we went down to the bar – and it was just the bartender and us – oh, and the resident cat who sat up on our little round table. So overall there was a cold and a somewhat creepy ambience to our experience. This is a very old resort and was not built for the winter months, and after our first night we had to find another hotel because the pipes had froze and they closed down…and now fast forward to recent years – in our vacation travels we have stayed in Glacier National Park and toured the Timberline Lodge…this has been another exciting episode of our brush with greatness .