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You’re assuming he was a chip off the old choc ( a little poetic / comedic license) but if he was a ba$tard child, like when a cult-leader fvcks with your belief system - your faith is stuck with a son of a bi+ch jar of rotten pickles labeled chocolate chip cookies…damn I hate when that happens - wasn’t that an episode on South Park? (In the Advanced Class I was taught anytime I wanted revelation I just needed to reach up into deadbeat dad’s rotten pickles jar ) probably all those budget cuts at the FDA has something to do with the lack of truth in labeling normally my posts interpret themselves but - hey - tough times - I’ve had to make a few budget cuts too…so artios idios! I’m sorry for the poor puns …okay - I’m leaving…I know “don’t let those double-doors hit me in the a$$ on the way out.”

My random comments on posts: Being in TWI for 12 years, I thought of their ‘support’ as benign and necessary for spiritual growth. And in all that time it never occurred to me that I was in a harmful and controlling cult being led by a phony masquerading as an apostle of Christ - per the verses you cited in II Corinthians 11 The primary cause of my unawareness was probably the pride I developed from TWI’s classes and programs ; indoctrination is weird and creepy the way it got me to uncritically accept a set of beliefs. wierwille’s egotism fueled teaching had me thinking there was no other group who had ‘the rightly-divided Word’. So I figured I would never fall prey to the deceitful workers and false apostle types of II Corinthians 11. One of the essentials to the power structure of TWI’s hierarchy is the high regard for the wierwille legacy. After I left and continued analyzing and re-evaluating TWI’s doctrines and practices, the strings of the marionettes became more apparent. I suppose offshoots could modify some aspects of TWI’s doctrine and governance - I think it may be like sprucing up a vintage car but the engine is still the same.

what a beautiful resting place ! btw, you also described Crypto - and that sounds more like our cat - he's 4 years old, all black and has yellow eyes. they give us so much love...and they draw so much love out of us.

Now consider these lines from Pound’s Canto LXXIV, which the OED cites in its entry on bull$hit as a verb: Hey Snag wots in the bibl’? Wot are the books ov the bible? Name ‘em, don’t bull$hit ME. This is a call for the facts. The person addressed is evidently regarded as having in some way claimed to know the Bible, or as having claimed to care about it. The speaker suspects that this is just empty talk and demands that the claim be supported with facts. He will not accept a mere report; he insists upon seeing the thing itself. In other words, he is calling the bluff. The connection between bull$hit and bluff is affirmed explicitly in the definition with which the lines by Pound are associated: As v. trans. and intr., to talk nonsense (to);…also, to bluff one’s way through (something) by talking nonsense. It does seem that bull$hitting involves a kind of a bluff. It is closer to bluffing, surely, than to telling a lie… …just what is the relevant difference here between a bluff and a lie? Lying and bluffing are both modes of misrepresentation or deception… The liar is essentially someone who deliberately promulgates a falsehood. Bluffing, too, is typically devoted to conveying something false. Unlike plain lying, however, it is more especially a matter not of falsity but of fakery. This is what accounts for its nearness to bull$hit. For the essence of bull$hit is not that it is false but that it is phony… …what is wrong with a counterfeit is not what it is like, but how it was made. From: pages 44 – 47 of On Bull$hit by Harry G. Frankfurt

So now it’s make up a top secret mission time? love is blind. you must really really love wierwille.

And now take 2: I appreciate the foolishness you add to the fi-err ( forget it error) - it brings to mind more violations of the 10 commandments: You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. Exodus 20: 7 …wierwille was a shyster and has been exposed many times over here for misrepresenting God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the basic tenets of Christianity - he did all that in the name of the Lord! And if the shoe fits: 2“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 3“You shall have no other gods before a me. 4“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments…Exodus 20: 2 - 6…perhaps wierwille’s narcissism was godlike and competed with Yahweh…and some big wierwille-fans may need to check the ‘shoe-fit’.

You ASSUME all out of proportion swallowed up in your own confirmation bias. You have NO IDEA how much folks here have challenged and exposed what a fraud wierwille was - not only with teaching others how to fake speaking in tongues but in all the other nonsense about manifestations - and i am confident that you Mike have NO IDEA of wierwille’s grand deception because in your wildest dreams you probably can’t imagine questioning or doubting anything your precious little idol said or did…so there’s that.

Just to be brief, as far back as when the 10 commandments were given by God Exodus 20 NIV the notion of ownership, wealth that is earned or acquired honestly, recognizing credit due and things of that nature – it seems to be the divine perspective - - otherwise, why would God set up certain prohibitions like verse 15 “You shall not steal” and verse 17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Giving wierwille a free pass on plagiarism is not only turning a blind eye to what is clearly disallowed by the Word of God but to Jesus’ perspective of the law and the prophets summarized in Matthew 22 to love God and neighbor and even particularized actionable detail in Matthew 7 verse 12 “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” ...a funny thing though wierwille had all the stuff he plagiarized copyrighted. Yes, you do…makes me think of how scam artists have no qualms stealing from others...ever heard of situational ethics ? maybe you should look that up. What a bunch of baloney! Even in the Bible proper attribution is given: Scripture referring to Moses and the prophets Luke 24:27 , Jesus made reference to a local proverb Luke 4:23 , Paul quoted secular poets Acts 17:28 and a Cretan prophet Titus 1:12 , Jude 1:14 gives attribution to a nonbiblical book of Enoch, and Peter referred to some of Paul’s writings as hard to understand 2 Peter 3:16 ...the point is that even one of the oldest books in the world showed respect and proper attribution of the work of others. Well…you certainly have a different take on 1 Corinthians 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth…did you mean to say you’re happy the god of this world inspired wierwille to steal? Now when you say he distributed the plagiarized material – you mean he made a living off of selling stolen goods…I don’t see how breaking any of the commandments brings God glory. You mean none of the authors represented in PFAL were unabashed plagiarists like wierwille. I think it’s kind of weird and creepy you delight in others passing on wierwille’s evil doctrines makes me think of Romans 1: 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1 NIV Well, at least you’re upfront about your bad habits …now where was I ? oh yeah the Romans 1 spiritual status report is similar to that of Proverbs 2 NIV : 12 Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men, from men whose words are perverse, 13 who have left the straight paths to walk in dark ways, 14 who delight in doing wrong and rejoice in the perverseness of evil, 15 whose paths are crooked and who are devious in their ways. What makes for a smart cult-survivor is wising up to avoid being in the company of evil people and imitating their practices. As one commentary puts it: Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary 2:10-22 If we are truly wise, we shall be careful to avoid all evil company and evil practices. When wisdom has dominion over us, then it not only fills the head, but enters into the heart, and will preserve, both against corruptions within and temptations without. The ways of sin are ways of darkness, uncomfortable and unsafe: what fools are those who leave the plain, pleasant, lightsome paths of uprightness, to walk in such ways! They take pleasure in sin; both in committing it, and in seeing others commit it. Every wise man will shun such company. True wisdom will also preserve from those who lead to fleshly lusts, which defile the body, that living temple, and war against the soul. From: Proverbs 2 Matthew Henry's Commentary (biblehub.com)

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Do you know what’s sad? It seems the impetus behind discussions with big wierwille-fans is a rabid loyalty to fond memories of a lying thieving plagiarizing unprincipled Drambuie guzzling egotistical abusive malignant narcissist delusional sexual predator like wierwille . It’s so obvious they can’t logically and Scripturally make the case for his twisted doctrine. For all you big wierwille-fans who drone on about don’t throw the baby out with the bath water - you need to take heed of who your belief system keeps company with: Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” I Corinthians 15:33 It’s just sad someone would waste 20 years defending a lying thieving plagiarizing unprincipled Drambuie guzzling egotistical abusive malignant narcissist delusional sexual predator like wierwille .

wierwille demanded to be considered a man of God in the unique class of the Apostles- but take note - wierwille had no signs of an apostle!!!!!! Proof is in the authentication by God. wierwille didn’t have $hit!

What’s there to understand better? wierwille usually blamed the victim’s lack of believing.

Okay - what’s to speculate on how much time wierwille wasted plagiarizing the work of others? It doesn’t matter if he took 18 minutes or 18 hours a day in between his steady diet of porn Drambuie and sexually molesting women. He still managed to plagiarize big time!

How silly - denying plagiarism on another thread…typical…since when is mass-marketing mishmashes of plagiarized material and Scripture twisting innocently labeled a distribution job? Geesh - give me a break!

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Excellent article, Raf! WordWolf, thanks for posting the link / article. Would wierwille have had such a big cult following if he would have given the proper attribution? I don’t think so. So, it gets me wondering why he did not – all I can think of is that it was intentional – to set himself up as some great man of god. It’s remarkable how easily I fell for wierwille’s con. Reading Nathan’s account of the 2 corps is just another rendition of how to perpetuate a cult-leader. wierwille demanded admiration – but it was incognito -I thought it was in deference to the Word of God and the office of a prophet, teacher, pastor, etc.

Charity, don’t shortchange yourself on the enormous emotional support that I know you must give your grandson and his parents! My wife’s niece has 2 sons with autism and throughout the week, wife and niece are texting/phone calling each other. This makes me think of Galatians 6:2 NLT , Share each other’s burdens, and in this way obey the law of Christ. Thank God we are not alone during this earthly journey: Benson Commentary Galatians 6:2-5. Bear ye one another’s burdens — Sympathize with and assist each other, in all your weaknesses, grievances, trials. The apostle alludes to the custom of travelers, who, when too heavily laden with their baggage, relieve one another by bearing the burdens of the weak or fatigued, and in that manner show their good disposition toward each other; and so fulfil the law of Christ — Even that law of love, which he particularly and especially enjoins, terming it his new commandment, and making it the distinguishing mark of his disciples; and surely we may willingly receive that law from one who was himself such an unequalled example of love, and who with so gracious a sympathy bore our burdens of sorrow, and carried away the load of our guilt. End of commentary excerpts from Galatians 6:2 Commentaries ~ ~ ~ ~ Intangibles like love…compassion…empathy…lending an ear do a lot of the heavy lifting even when we don’t know what specifically to do or say to help lighten someone’s load.

Hi Charity, That’s a great way to put it – and I think most folks on Grease Spot feel the same way – that’s what the Socratic method is all about – as a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions. When I first left TWI, it was like getting out from under overbearing parents – it began as a “I’d like to try exploring the Bible myself” attitude. I realized there was a lot I didn’t know or how to go about finding out – so that was also a major ‘retooling’ time – reevaluating my study methods and go-to resources. To this day I believe I’m still openminded and on many theological topics I hope Grease Spotters can see the tentativeness in my posts. Matter of fact, about the only time I may come across as “Oh, I think I can do a better job of honestly and clearly explaining Scripture” is when certain folks try to insinuate goofy ideas into Scripture, like the law of believing and God’s budgetary constraints. And it’s not that I think I’m the only one here who tries to be honest and clear – I’m not into absolute thinking or that it’s my way or the highway like our TWI-overbearing-parents would have us believe. There’s a lot of stuff in the Bible that’s hard to understand – and we’re never going to figure it all out anyway…and I believe Scripture can be enjoyed and understood at many different levels and from different viewpoints. There’s lots of options available. On another thread I got into the changes to my position on various TWI doctrines and what’s significant in my post is that after 37 years of being free from TWI’s powerful influence – through my own study, checking out legitimate resources and dialoging with Grease Spotters, what is noteworthy is that I have found options – other ways of exploring my belief system – one I’m particularly proud of is point 10 – unraveling a big bugaboo - commonplace believing and religious faith.

Cult-leader forming a new perspective of himself.

and he 'manifested' the lucky 7 rewards also known as the 7 deadly prizes

In other screwball news, someone brought their PFAL syllabus made from golden plates, to the Antiques Roadshow for appraisal.

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