DogLover

Is CFF going to go down the same path as twi? Will they ever learn? My answers to the above: Yes for the first, probably not for the second.

No. That David Bailey is a 9th Corps grad.

I totally agree with Keith. Not forgiving someone just eats YOU alive, and does nothing to hurt them. In the case of TWI, they probably even feel justified for how they treated us ... considering us little more than infidels. God is a God of justice and he keeps a good score.

I agree, Watered Garden ... if they plan to go rappeling or rappelling, they should learn how to spell it ... as for me, I plan to keep both feet walking on solid ground, so all I have to do is be able to spell "walking." I suggest they do they same ... but I imagine they are not listening ...

"Their only goal is to maintain their tax exempt status with the IRS and continue to live off the assets. There is no more excitement or enthusiasm to "turn the world upside down"...today, all they want to do is keep the trains running on time and live well. They have circled the wagons of self interest and are now nothing more than fleeting shadows in a world of religious hypocracy." Well put, Groucho, and oh, so true.

I helped out in the Trunk Office during my interim year, and I remember Cl!ff @delm@n telling me about how the 4th Corps of which he was a part split up into girls and guys and had to give each other enemas ... I think the early Corps (ending with 5) were the ones that had to do the cleanse. I also remember hearing JAL's hilarious appendix story while in-residence - he was in residence with the First Special Corps (at the same time the 5th Corps was in-residence at HQ) and his appendix burst as a result of the colon cleanse. Also, I remember hearing that one Corps fellow was going into town to get some cookies or something and was killed in a car accident ... and of course, it was blamed on anyone else except the perpetrators of the stupid idea of the cleanse. Your colon should be your own business, IMHO.

I wonder what VPW did with the Apostle Paul's phrase, "I have finished my course. I have kept the faith." I think he was just trying to extend that unbiblical law of believing to cover death ... we live in a fallen world....sooner or later our bodies wear out or we are subject to some sort of disease, accident, homicide, etc. Some people perhaps do give up, but the vast majority do not is my humble opinion.

JavaJane, Good one! I just saw ole Delores in "HP and the Order of the Phoenix" again last night ... she and RosaLIE have a lot in common ...

SHE wasn't necessarily gifted ... her students were.

I met her at a coffehouse in Greenville, NC at the East Carolina University Way Home when I was in my early 20s. As I recall, she was an English teacher for Gifted and Talented students, and one of her students, Ricky Canady, who had taken the PFAL class in New Bern (where she lived and taught) had witnessed to her. He brought her up to a Saturday night coffeehouse at ECU. She was quite the novelty at the time because no one, not even the Limb leadership at the time, Rev. Doug Emerson and his wife, Connie (later Panarello) was as old as she was. She had a meteoric rise to fame in the Way. I don't recall ever hearing from any other person in her class. I only met Ricky once or twice. He did not stay in the Way long.

We were still doing the MAL pack thing my first year in-residence with the 13th Corps ... they gave us the spiel, scared everyone to death, sent us to bed, then got us out of bed the next morning early with a Green Alert (all Corps to the Ambassador Room) and showed us Looney Tunes cartoons ... very much a mixed message ... should have been my first clue they were Looney Tunes about all that junk. We actually had to meet in Twigs in-residence and decide who would bring what book and where we would go. You were thought to be truly spiritual if you agreed to bring a heavy book like a concordance ... and no, I am NOT kidding. I remember it as clearly as if were yesterday. It is still hard for me to have less than a half a tank of gas in my car and I have been out of TWI for 14 years, and out of the Corps for 25. I also clearly remember Pat Powell and Dave Bedard sharing the next day at meals about helpful things to do while being chased. Dave suggested always carrying cayenne pepper in your MAL pack so that when you wanted to have dogs lose your scent, you could urinate on a tree (guess this was just for guys), then sprinkle the urine-soaked tree with cayenne to mess up the dogs' noses. Pat Powell made several comments as to whether he would want you in his "boat" or not ... too bad he didn't realize it was a sinking ship sooner.

Some of the good food I remember from the Corps (13th): BLTs with really good cream of mushroom soup on Parent Weekend Saturdays (because that's what JAL had when he was a kid), the first Swedish Meatballs I had ever eaten at the HoHo Banquet at Emporia, fettucine alfredo Wednesday lunch before Corps Night (again Emporia), venison/beef burritos at Gunnison ... and best of all, the gravy (didn't eat the biscuits) from the biscuits and gravy at Emporia. By the time we came along, the food was pretty good ... nothing like the horror stories I have read on GreaseSpot by the 6th Corps their first year at Emporia. I also liked those peanut butter bombers in our sack suppers ...

Java Jane, I heard about it on the leadership tapes (when LCM said he saw VPW in CG's face), and I was also told in a phone call with MDF*rt that he saw VPW's face in T#m J's face at Emporia in 1986. I was still in TWI at the time and so were MDF (he still is) and TJ ... TJ was on staff there at the time and MDF was the Corps Coordinator there. I have never seen it myself, but those are the two folks I have heard about it from ... DogLover

I'm curious as to when the EOB or other places were bugged ... I was there from mid-May 1983 until August 1984 ... even lived in one of the former offices of the EOB with another Corps person until they could find better housing for us ... was it bugged then, or is this a more recent development?

Whenever I see a good sale on a huge tent in sales papers, I think back to the my late teens and twenties at the Rock and think what a nice tent that would have made. Still not nicer, though, than the one year I stayed in an RV (1974 at Shelby Fairgrounds) and several years I stayed in motels ...

Bless Patrol at Emporia when I was there in-residence with the 13th Corps was not so bad because you did not have it so often and free coffee or Pepsis for a dime from a machine were available to keep you awake. Gunnison was a whole other matter ... it was frikkin' cold for one thing ... the women usually got to stay in the guardhouse and speak in tongues for a list of people left there, but one of the guys had to walk alone around to all of the buildings, check them, and add wood in some fireplaces ... just another abusive thing to keep the Corps tired under the guise of spirituality.

I remember going to ROAs in the late 70s/early 80s when the black and gold Buck Stoves motor coach would be parked in the Way Woods ... Carroll Buckner seemed to be the only Way person who ever made enough money AND had the inclination to have what VPW had in the way of housing/travel.

I mostly lurk, but had to come out of "hiding" to ask a couple of questions ... I'm curious ... had not heard about Donna having a brain tumor, and was curious about mention of two of Donna's children (I am presuming the poster spoke of Timothy and Leah, in that order, in his post), but what about Dororthy Grace? I think she is away at college, isn't she? I was in The Way for 23.5 years ... still have some curiosity about what's going on there.

I remember hearing it was Bo Reahard who showed up to live in the Way Woods -- before he entered the First Corps. It was, however, not Bo, who set up the tepee in the Camping Area ... I went to most of the ROAs from 1972 until the last one and I remember seeing the teepee in some of the early ones that were at Way HQ (they started there about 1977, I think -- before that were at Shelby County Fairgrounds in Sidney (after the original one at HQ in 1971) -- except for one VERY wet and awful year (1975) at the fairgrounds in Lima, Ohio. I believe the Teepee Guy was just someone from the part of the country where teepees are used that brought it to camp in at the Rock ... no one with "name recognition." It was cool!

LEAD duos behind Founders Hall now? How lame is that! When I was in the Way Corps, there was no health insurance for the average Joe ... they DID pick up the medical bills for all those hurt in the LEAD accident, I believe, at least the bills at the time ... not residual injuries that lasted for years afterward. When I was on Staff at HQ my interim year (1983-84), they did pay for optometrist appointments ... that's when I got my first contact lenses. They also let us have the day off and a Staff car (several of us) to go to the Indiana Campus for free dental work. I rather doubt that's the case now, though. Those were the days of lots of abundant sharing flowing in ...

Though I feel confident that the Way International was quite happy to get Ron Peeler's money, when you know how deceptive he was in getting that money, you realize there is no way GOD wanted it ... it was tainted. I DO know how deceptive he was in gaining it and all the lives he hurt, so I have no compassion for him ... but I also do not believe The Way had any right to a penny of it ... and threatening "mark and avoid" is no different than a mobster strongarming a merchant for protection payments.

JT, They NEVER parted with the $20. You had to give it back when you got back, and when I went (May 1985), it was $10...and you had it and your driver's license so that you could not be arrested for vagrancy.

Bottom Line: They took the Word of God which we loved and used it as a weapon against us.

Just curious ... since the in-res Corps was moved to HQ, are there no Corps at Gunnison now? Who is in charge there now? Seems like the last I remember hearing, Bob and Dottie Moneyhands were ...

Starting with the letter H, huh? How about Hendersonville, a lovely town in the North Carolina mountains?