DogLover

I know it's been a long time and things have changed since 1983, but at that time, when I was in the interim Corps on staff at HQ, Michael Fort was the one of the kindest, most helpful, most Godly men I had known to that point in my life. It makes me so angry to think that the Forehead and the lesb!an had the nerve to denounce him. Admittedly, they took their toll on that young man ... I read a letter he sent in 1995 to a good friend, former Way clergy telling him he (the man) would be dead in two years ... for the so-called sin of daring to doubt the Trustees' debt teaching and his refusal to move away from an area where he, as an only son, was responsible for care of his aging, homebound mother. When he let me read that letter, it made me very sad to see what Michael f@rt had become at the time ... I'm glad he got to get out and get secular employment. He was a good man who was treated badly ....IMHO. As I said, that was 1982-85 and things changed. By the way, the "gonna be dead in two years" fellow is alive and well, enjoying his four grandchildren and still teaching the Bible ...

Previous poster mentioned the Twig hopper being wrecked ... never heard that...did that happen because of anger or alcohol or...what?

I was horrified this weekend to hear from a friend about how TJ tried to force a Corps girl, who was married and a good friend of mine, to have oral s*x with him ... her husband was too much of a coward, had too much to lose to stand up for her against TJ, and this led to their eventual divorce....and NOW, Arlene and TJ do marriage counseling...PLEASE!

Well said! God is a just God and there will be consequences.

We had a similar walk out to probably the same place ... worked in the woods that day, clearing brush and so on ... it was actually fun to be outdoors in the fall, had a neat cookout, and walked back ... seemed like maybe that weekend was the separate Men's and Women's Advances, which were NOT so much fun. By the time I came along (13th Corps), they were not offering the Gun Safety Course.

Amen! Merry Christmas to all!

I went on Facebook and did a search of his name and the page that came up listed him as a "public figure" with an option in the corner to "create page," so I don't think he really has a page ... just as a public figure, people have the option to "like" him ... when I was there, about 21 had. Not I.

"i despised jenkinson and how he made that beautiful ranch so horrible" Amen to that, Excie! I know someone who is still in the Way who was traumatized by him there, as I was. It took me YEARS to get over the four months I spent there because of his hateful abuse.

Interestingly, VPW played that tape for us when I took the Advanced Class at HQ in 1973. I remember to this day Oral saying, "If you don't bow, you won't burn" over and over in that exposition of the record in Daniel of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Very powerful teaching.

When someone has asked me the question about what makes Christianity different, I have responded that it is the only belief system (or so-called religion) in which the main person in the religion claims to (and indeed has) risen from the dead. The resurrection is what makes the difference.

Chockfull, I've found it very helpful to recommend THE SUBTLE POWER OF SPIRITUAL ABUSE to people who have left TWI, especially recently. Even folks who left a long time ago have also found it helpful. You would swear the two authors had been in The Way, but they were not ... it's just that quite a few churches and ministries have similar sorts of subtle spiritual abuse. This book shows another example that "there is nothing new under the sun," as it says in Ecclesiastes.

Good to hear from you, DWBH ... hope you are doing well...greetings from the Tarheel State!

Twinky, I remember Pat Lynn telling us (when she and then-husband, John, were Way Corps Coordinators at Emporia) that she had been a member of the Zero Corps...hope that helps answer at least part of your question ... I have never heard anyone else say that they were in that Zero Corps that got dismissed.

I agree with Socks ... I first met her in 1973 or 1974 in North Carolina at the East Carolina University Way Home when she had come up from New Bern as a then-new believer, and she looked matronly even then ...

Thanks, Folks, for all the posts ... they are well-put and certainly remind me why Moneyhands and others have not left....so sad for them all ... how much better life would be if they didn't let fear control their lives.

People in der Way used "spiritual anger" as an excuse to cover their unGodly behavior, plain and simple.

It seems well established online that the current president of TWI knew about and helped arrange the sexual liaisons for Craig when he was president, and others have thought that RFR was doing that to have Donna to herself, and that they currently have a lesbian relationship and have had for many years. RFR openly let a lesbian couple live in the basement of her home and this was after they were allowed to sleep together in a double bed in the Corps Chalet. While the rank and file may not know this, some of the leadership that visit this forum do know. They also know what Romans 1 has to say about these folks ... that they are reprobate, devoid of sound judgment. Yet they continue on in the Way, sure it is "God's Household" -- one particular couple comes to my mind as I write this, and in their case I suspect their current assignment is rather a bribe to keep them quiet about what they know, but still keeps them from being able to spend time with their only son and his wife and children. Why can they not see and respond to what is happening? How can they think what they are doing is Godly? Answers, Moneyhands? And others?

EEEEK! Deja vu ....

Even though both Donnie and Del are no longer living, the good they did, the Word they taught,and the love they shared lives on. They have quite a legacy, whether TWI ever recognizes it or not. God keeps score, not the lesbian in charge of TWI and her minions.

Congratulations for having the determination and fortitude to go back to college! Interesting comparisons you make there ...

Didn't happen of course .. no man knows the time or season. There is an enterprising "unbeliever" who has set up a post-rapture pet service. For a set fee payable ahead of time, of course, they take care of your pets and find them good homes after you are gathered together. Gotta appreciate their ingenuity ....

That sounds like a great idea, Linda ... I wish someone WOULD do that!

I remember reading on here that Br!an Moneyhands had been relieved of his position at Way HQ and was to find a job out on the field by the late fall of 2010. Anyone know whatever became of that?

Yep .. Rick Panyard.

Thomas Bumgarner commented: I thought the Advanced Class was on revelation, discerning of spirits, healing and miracles. Something VPW, LCM, and RR never had a clue about. It used to be in the 1970s, 80s, and perhaps even early 90s. I went to an Advanced Class Special in probably 94 or 95 at The Way HQ and the whole thing was pretty much how to "discern" devil spirits and those born of the wrong seed by secular means -- basically Craig ranting and raving and giving exanples. I took lots of notes, but I'm not sure I still have them -- they are mostly his opinion, very little Bible. When I first took the Advanced Class in 1973, it was divided into sections on revelation, discerning of spirits, miracles and healing, but also interspersed with some odd tapes. The ones I remember are "Bitten by Devils", "If You Don't Bow, You Won't Burn" (an expository teaching on Daniel 3, from Oral Roberts at the height of his ministry - later "sold out to the Methodist Church," according to VPW), and a "winner" called "Hypnotism, Communism, and the Beatles." There were others, but these are the ones I remember. Took it in-residence at both Emporia and Gunnison in 1983 and 1985. Don't remember much about the Gunnison one. The one at Emporia had lots of the auxiliary tapes like the ones mentioned above, plus there was a live speaker who talked on music. There was also a Corps person who talked about being taken for psychic surgery in Central America when she was a child, but didn't end up having it. Members of her family did -- turns out they "paid" for their healing with lots of devilish stuff. Could probably remember more details if I thought about it, but I try not to think about it.