DogLover

It is simple to be born again ... it is synonymous with the word "saved" as used in the Bible. See Romans 10:9 ... "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Nope .. ROA 1975 was in LIMA ... rained the whole week of WOW/College WOW training and of course, Rock of Ages also ... muddiest, muckiest experience I ever went through ... 1972, 73, 74, 76 were at the Sidney Fairgrounds....

Yeah, he's right ... I went out WOW to Chicago in 1980-81, and it was the year of the Outreach Cities, with Takit coming around. The 40th Anniversary was on October 3, 1982, and so "4,000 for the Fortieth" was the theme. In May-August of 1983, I was assigned as my in-residence Corps job to work with the WOW Coordinator ... as I recall, there were actually about 3,200 WOWs that went that year of 1982-83.... DogLover

Nowgrown, Welcome to GreaseSpot! :)

I was chuckling as I remember the many WOW-mobiles seen in the 1970s and early 1980s Rock of Ages parking lot ... they barely made it to the Rock ... perhaps all this over-planning is an outgrowth of the reaction to not enough planning years ago ... or perhaps a reflection of the times ... but it STILL takes all the fun out of it to have every little detail planned ... where's the spontaneity? Where's the FUN? I would say fun is seriously lacking in the current Corps ... I was in the Corps from 1982-85 and we had FUN ... and my very first "road trip" with the elder Corps in my Twig ... whew! Nobody ever taught THAT crew how to prepare ... car broke down twice, no money to fix it, people in the car majorly out of whack ... and we did end up getting major reproof (yet it was really loving) from Way Corps Area Coordination Br**e N*yl*r ... but ya know, he was right ... but I digress.... Where is the FUN? Where is the real life application? Don't they have anything more to coordinate than a trip, for goodness sake? I guess not ...

I agree .. they treated her horribly. I ordered this book on ebay from the Belizean BRC after reading about it on this thread ... and although it is edited to leave out some things she would have otherwise said (and the dedication is awash with promised land of the prevailing Word cr*p), I have found it a delightful read ... you get a sense of what life was like in the early days of the Way ... and yes, I agree there is much that is left out, as Linda Z said, but I found it a book well worth the money ... she was a neat lady, and even through the editing, you get a great sense of her love for Ermal and for God. The pictures are neat, too! You get a sense that the reason she could have stayed around for so long is that she remembered daily what it had cost her to have the Word ... and sadly, because she had nowhere else to go. TWI may not have remembered her and done its duty toward her, but I suspect she will have rewards aplenty for her faithfulness at the time rewards are handed out ... DogLover

Thanks to a private message I received (and the White Pages of msn.com), I was able to find an address and phone number for them in Richmond, Virginia.

The last time I saw them was in 1995 at the last ROA ... they were in the Family Corps. Their assignment was somewhere in the vicinity of West Virginia/Ohio ... does anyone know whether they are in, or if out, how I might get in touch with them? Thanks.

Kitten's real first name was Elaine, and that's what she was going by when I last saw her in the mid 1990s ... oddly enough, Bagpipes, she was living in western NC, as I remember...somewhere west of Asheville, I think ... DL

How about wearing a long dress TWO TIMES A DAY FOR TWO WEEKS out of a tent? That's what Living Victorious (1982) was like for me and some friends ... fortunately, several of my buddies had managed to buy a ten-person-you-can-stand-up-in-it tent for $50 (at a NC yard sale) that we used for Way stuff for over 10 years till it finally rotted ... but geez! How inconsiderate of the top dogs to not consider the conditions under which people had to get ready? Yes, we did it ... but we took those long dresses off just as soon as the thing was over and put on shorts ... and wore the same dresses over and over for two weeks... Dog Lover But no lover of tents .... PUP or otherwise!

The first time I ever heard that teaching was in 1973 ... by Walter Cummins. When he taught it, the SNS Teaching Tape was called "Your Critical Christian Decision." He covered the three aspects of evil, those three words used for it, then ended with the comment (which I remember because I typed those particular notes up and have kept them all these years) that our critical Christian decision is whether or not we will choose to overcome evil with good....Good teaching. As most teachings of the "early years," it was twisted and subject to the private interpretation of LCM and his wannabes to put people into religious bondage.

He's such a self-centered, egotistical jerk....how dare he think he has the power/authority to tell someone where/how they are going to give birth?

Yeah, I like "Doc," too ... and it's nice to see Billy Ray Cyrus with a somewhat more normal haircut in place of the infamous mullet he wore when "Achy Breaky Heart" was popular.

That sure is who it sounds like to me, too ... although when I worked with JM in Housekeeping (my interim year at HQ 83-84) and she was NOT the big dog, we laughed and laughed and laughed ... worked with Mary Kathy P**de who always kept us laughing ... I think MK was the reason for most of the laughing, though ... she had a light heart and didn't let JM get her down ... JM was never particularly nice to me, though, always seemed to treat me as if my salvation were not as good as hers because I had not been involved in the "gross sins of the flesh."

I once had a friend (former TWI-er also) who saw the movie, "The Truman Show," and it reminded her a lot of her experience with TWI. I agree with the post, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times." The highest and lowest moments of my life came during my association with TWI ... and I am thankful for what I learned, and for the relationship I have with God, but honestly, most of that came AFTER I LEFT from other Christians (yes, are mostly TWI, but not in a "spinoff," as folks call it) ...

Hey, I LIKED High Country Caravan ... I was at HQ my interim year and got to see several of the productions live at the renovated church in New Bremen ... it was a lot of fun ... But then again ... I also really like Alan Jackson, Toby Keith, Loretta Lynn, etc. And yeah, I really AM college educated ... Masters Degree, even. Just because we TALK slower in the South doesn't mean we THINK slower ... DAWG Lover

Mr. Pipes said: "As food for thought, I wonder if God's foregiveness only covers our sins against Him while our sins against others must be addressed by us to those we've wronged in order to have them foregiven prior to the Bema or judgements." If Jesus Christ is a complete Savior (and he is), then when we do Romans 10:9 first, then I John 1:9, then "he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness." God has forgiven you .. but it certainly does wonders for us when we "clear the air" with those we have wronged ... which would indeed, take LCM a long time. Hope this helps, Mr. Pipes. DL

Safari...I was wondering what was so "off" about the comment about Brian Moneyhands myself ... and the only thing I can think of is that he may be in a position to inherit some money from his grandparents (Dottie's parents) that might be substantial ... but that, in my humble opinion, may be very unlikely because she has a disabled sister (injured in a car accident as a teen) who has required/requires large sums of money for medical care, and she also has another sister, who left TWI a long time back, who would also inherit (and who, by the way, is a lovely person ... I went to college with her for two of my years at UNC) ... but back to my main point ... if the reason the person above thinks that statement is off base, it may be because they either know or suppose that Brian M is set to inherit money when Grandpa Walker dies. DL

Well put, Mr. Pipes, well put! Those of you who are in and still lurking ... be aware that Rosa-lie and the BoD care not one whit about whether the doctrine is pure or impure. They care about the money you give and those of us who were in for years gave ... which Rosalie and Donna (and her children) now live off of comfortably ... with nice shopping trips and vacations and the like ... while you live without a house of your own and a decent car, etc. They DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU or about God ... do not believe the women behind the curtain!

Thanks, Paw ... what you said needed saying.

I feel sure the Way's "wonderful Research Department" will come out with a book soon that indicates that only 5,999,999 Jews were annihiliated. That's the kind of "groundbreaking" research I expect from them these days ...

Your question: Does anyone have anything good to say about Geer? My answer: I trow not. (that is...NO)

There is a book called THE DOCTOR OF THE DAMNED that What the Hey should read ... I will not lower myself to nitpick about numbers ... but this is the EYEWITNESS account of a doctor who lived through it. It is captivating reading ....

What does it mean to "get over" something? That's something I (as others) have battled with for many years. I think, biblically, it has to do with declaring something null and void of its ability to hurt you. A wise person once shared that with me years ago, and then again today, as being the way to understand the verse in Philippians that says "forgetting those things which are behind..." We as humans cannot forget unless there is some sort of accident that causes long-term amnesia ... so that's a bad translation. But we can declare something or someone null and void in its ability to hurt you ... and that takes time, the Word of God, the spirit of God working in a person, and often, it takes kind and caring believers that let you talk it out and work it out. As wonderful as GreaseSpot is for some categories, for me it took talking my pain out with a kind and caring believer face to face, someone I could trust, before I could declare certain things null and void of their ability to hurt me in my life. Do I still get angry with the person(s) at the center of the hurt? Yes, sometimes. But do I have nightmares that awaken me in a cold sweat? No. Everyone "gets over" things in their own time. I think it's callous and hard-hearted for people to say, "Why don't you just get over it and move on?" Can't really see any place in Scripture where God says it/sees it that way .. that you should just "get over it." His compassions are new every morning ... so we must need them every morning. Back into lurkdom.

I got an advertisement in the mail the other day for a book you may want to order and read if you are still in bondage to tithing (as opposed to free-will giving, which IS a Biblical concept) ... it is called: TITHING: LOW-REALM, OBSOLETE, & DEFUNCT ... available by calling 1-800-228-2665 or by going online to www.seedsowers.com ... I ordered a copy ...