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That's it!

I'm curious... When you "look at scripture and see truth" do you see it the same way you would have seen it PRE-twi? Or do the words of the collaterals ring in your inner ears as you read the Bible? If this is the case, then you have submitted to a mediated experience. It's not "truth" you hear or read, it's what you've been told is truth. Again, just how true to sound doctrine was vp, lcm, rfr, dm, cg et al, if what they believed was evidenced in such an unsound example?

I've avoided the Doctrinal Forum for a long time... long story. But this thread keeps calling to me. I'm not sure I really have much to add - just my thoughts as I read. I think that every belief has an 'inner work" that needs to happen before any real "outreach" (I hate to use that word, but I can't think of another that fits) even can be possible. When you truly believe something- you act accordingly. No one really has to tell you what to do or say and you don't necessarily need to 'witness' (ouch! again) for your beliefs to be evident. Maybe it's a sign of maturity when a person doesn't feel the desperate need to have everyone believe as he or she does. I'm sure that there are as many different "religions" as there are people- because every person has their way in which they have internalized their beliefs into a "working theory." At some point in time there is no more need for a "club." The man or woman may choose to hang out with people who have similar beliefs- but the inner demand for a carbon copy of each and every precept is no longer there. The sense of "us against them" is gone. The "war" has subsided. Now discussion is possible. Now the haughty "let me teach you!" element is gone. Hope this makes sense...of course it really has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

That's the point! When the example used to "support" the teaching is tainted- the whole teaching is tainted. The doctrine is contaminated.

Take a look at the links I provided on the Wyeths. I am partial to NC Wyeth... maybe because there's an almost theatric quality to his work. His color always grabs me - even when it's subdued.

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I promised to post some of NC Wyeth'sand Jamie Wyeth's works: NC was the father of Andrew. He was basically an illustrator. I always love his work when I see it: Here is the cover illustration to the Last of the Mohicans : He handled space, and color so well. Jamie's work is similar to his father, Andrew's:

Hope you'll still be in Texas. The BBQ wouldn't be quite the same without you and the Countess. Best wishes to you no matter where you land.

Leona Lewis - "Bleeding Love"

I must say - it's well done. I couldn't live with it. It makes me feel like doing some crunches and sit-ups. I read the article. I always admire works that are life-sized and push the envelope a bit. But - this image does nothing for me.

Twinky- there is also lecithin in liquid form - about 1/4 tsp twice a day on their food - wet or dry - will work.

"All Summer Long" (Lots of us will relate to this song!)

It's not a quote. I posted late and I mistakenly put it on quotes. The thread is about vague and sometimes clever descriptions of movies.

OMFG! I just had an epiphany! Now I know what I was doing wrong all those years ago. I thought "renewing my mind" meant that I was supposed to be changing my thinking to line up with the Bible. How could I miss it? "Renewing one's mind" was really code for being a pig. <_<

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Thanks for that Shellon.

I believe DWBH's premise was something different altogether: Beyond the morality issue, had Einstein, Oppehheimer and others NOT cared enough about the "immoral, evil, "actions" of those nazis," ....They would have remained in Germany where they either would have become Nazis themselves (ie - drank "der Koolaide") or they would at the very least would have been controlled by the Nazi's. These men certainly could have looked at the situation in a very cold and calculating way and said, "Hey - scientific findings are scientific findings - I don't care who helps me get them." Instead they saw the moral depravity of those who would seek to use them as scientists and researchers and abuse their research to gain more power and do even more destruction. They saw that their intellects could be exploited to further a cause they found deplorable - so they left Germany. The actions of these men show that they believed that Hitler and his Nazi regime was wrong. The actions of The Victoid and Co. nullify their teachings because their actions expose their true beliefs. They talked out of both sides of their mouth. They said one thing but believed another and acted on what they truly believed and in turn those actions served to teach others.

Well? Where are these stories? But did these people who found cures for diseases also teach that God had taught them science as it had not been known since The First Century Alchemists? Did they then proceed to teach a class on alchemy and then teach their students that they were so blessed with knowledge that they had some secret no one else could handle unless duly enlightened? (I"ve found the secret to changing lead into gold. But the process is expensive so I'll need $5,000.00 in gold bullion to continue my work.)) You keep building these straw men and they keep burning up. Perhaps you should stop bringing them to the bonfire.

every one (every belief) Your point was that scriptural truth was not mentioned it was as a belief he just did not list every one specifically he included all beliefs in the word beliefs . My point was: Similarly, the actions of sexual misconduct stemmed from a belief. The judge merely separated the belief from the act. He never condoned those beliefs - he merely stated that the court could not review them. The state only had jurisdiction over the act. You keep wanting to change the words so you can promote your agenda. Actions point very accurately what a person believes.

Everyone? Whom are you referring to? every one (every belief) Your point was that scriptural truth was not mentioned it was as a belief he just did not list every one specifically he included all beliefs in the word beliefs . So we have the right to decide what we believe.... so what? BFD. The point is that actions not only follow beliefs, they also teach how to use said beliefs. They don't always do so sometimes we believe one thing and do another we are human Actions always show what a person's true beliefs are. A person may say he believes something - but he will always act on what he truly - deep inside - believes. ******************************************* Did you just decide to ignore the more cogent statements made in the previous posts? So you just pick and choose the easy points and hope no one will notice? ******************************************* Didn't you ever hear that poem about seeing a sermon instead of hearing one? "Actions speak louder than words."

Everyone? Whom are you referring to? So we have the right to decide what we believe.... so what? BFD. The point is that actions not only follow beliefs, they also teach how to use said beliefs. Did you just decide to ignore the more cogent statements made in the previous posts? So you just pick and choose the easy points and hope no one will notice? So a sexual predator can teach correct doctrine.. Let's say that sexual predator is teaching your young teenage kids Sex Ed. in Health class? Are you really trying to tell me that his vices aren't going to color what he teaches? Suppose that teacher is a great guy, a coach, beloved by all the students and he's even taught 99% of the information correctly - but with a slight slant in favor of his POV. It's a nearly imperceptible difference and most people wouldn't catch it. Then suppose he takes a boy aside and says, "Hey, I teach this stuff, I wouldn't lie to you. Come on up to my apt and I'll give you a private lesson." He's used the accurate information to help gain trust. He's used his reputation to gain access. He's still lying and ultimately is trying to promote his lusts through his teaching. He's going to put forth that his actions are correct and he's going to justify it with words that have nothing to do with truth. Didn't you ever hear that poem about seeing a sermon instead of hearing one? "Actions speak louder than words."

"Asteroids! Two of 'em coming this way! We're all gonna die!"

That's about how I felt Linda Z. I saw that page and read less than a few sentences before I had to shut it down. Icky!

"Thelma and Louise"?

I took a look at the site and found this page in "Snapshots" The first article alone is disturbing enough for me.