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We should spare these fine folks a repeat of the cheesecake wars... for now. I think there should be some Jethro Tull and Moody Blues played as well.

Moi? I'm way too short to get uppity. Bow - I know southerners... and I'm no southerner. I don't suspect George will get uppity. Let's just say we make some mighty fine music. We both cook - and it's ALL delicious. I feel like I'm 19 again. Thank you all for the well wishes.

I don't know J and HR - they may be fine folks. Even not so fine folks know how to throw a party - so if they truly are fine folks - well raise a glass in toast. Glad you and Hope had a blast. I presume you have good times with many people. Once again - yay for you! GS is indeed about twi. However... While I'm not obsessed, that site does have to do with a part of my life - almost a third to be exact. I chose to join and I chose to leave. Mostly because it wasn't much fun and it was filled with the same type of clique-ishness that marked all things wc and twi. Too many layers of bs on too many pages. How do you know what percentage of GSers here were wrongly treated by WC? Or on the other hand, how do you know what percentage of GSers would like to contact a WC person and thank them for decent treatment. Or are you saying that just because you had a good time with these fine folks on more than one occasion that you can vouch for 100% of their actions and motives along with the actions and motives of every person not only on the WC site but also on this site as well. My main objection to the wc site is that it needs (for whatever reason - be it well-intentioned or not) to be exclusive. That exclusivity causes a feeling that the "elitist thought" is still in existence. Like I said before, lack of accountability is what has long been a trademark of the wc and twi adherents. (Meaning those folks who still think they were right and good in all they did because gawd-awlmighty called them to be wc and told them what to do all the time by all nine.) Let me ask you something. Just how many wc folks would have joined using their real name if they knew that it wouldn't just be wc? (Or at least mostly wc with a few folks dropping in to give their "bless you's") Don't you think that the reason there are over 1400 wc members on that site is because of the insulation granted by the exclusivity? Now some of my friends who are still members have told me that posts on their own blogs have been deleted if they say anything negative about twi. So how much of JR's energy does it take to keep up appearances? And just who is being protected and served? Isn't it a bit too much like mind control? Granted, JR might indeed be a fine man - but that doesn't make this action fine. Unless he's Jeezus...

Of course it is. I just wanted to see what little tidbit in history could cause such histrionics.

I was bored, so I typed the words, "Haiti's deal with the devil" into a Google search box. I found this article: Haiti's deal I don't know anything about the site - whether it's conservative, liberal, or if the writer is smarter than a fifth grader. I don't hold any credence on the "deal with the Devil" because if you read the article, the first coup took place with 500,000 slaves fighting 26,000 French and 30,000 affranchis of mixed ancestry. Those kind of odds didn't need any 'ole black magic. Anyway - I thought I'd add to all this bru ha ha.

Every bad thing? Really? EVERY? Hmmmmm... I don't read Jeff blaming others very often. Presumably he's got his fair share of BS that occurs to all of us everyday: a-holes cutting us off on the freeway, milk spoiled, twisted an ankle - name your "bad thing." He doesn't mention any of it. You can't even say he blames others for "most" bad things in his life. Heck, other than loosing his wife and son through a messy divorce, I haven't even seen Jeff complain very much about (careful here - the word looks similar to "everything" but with a subtle twist) ANYTHING. Have you lost anything equally precious in a similar way? If not then I doubt you can stand in judgment. May I make a couple of suggestions? 1 - get some manners 2 - let people tell their story and vent if they need to 3 - get a good dictionary and use it I suspect there is more to this interaction than meets the eye. Perhaps you should take a breather before you hang all your stuff out there in public.

I thought he was involved with the S.O.W.E.R.S. ...Perhaps you can find a link and send him an email through that group.

"Ship of Fools" seems appropriate... but it sure would be a waste of a good song.

Today I heard one reviewer refer to it as "Dances With Wolves" done in CGI - in the future... Haven't seen it, but my kids liked it.

No problems. I just think that the more precise the wording of our posts, the more likely they are to help someone.

In Lecturn he was the broken mint and the glass of drambuie. In Kool Shorties he was the butt.

And another thing... We were actually taught to be afraid of... . . . . . . . . . . . wait for it... . . . . . . . .. . wait for it... . . . . . . .. . .FEAR! :wacko:

Has anyone ever stopped to consider that a "ministry" that prided itself in Biblical research and teaching found a way to systematically teach how to break all ten of the ten commandments? Consider how much inner conflict that would create for someone who really sat down and thought about what was going on around them?

"Attention to detail" isn't in and of itself a bad thing. If you met an artisan, officer of the law, or even a firefighter you'd agree that attention to detail is why they are successful in what they do. Surely twi took things to an extreme, but it's always necessary to separate the motive from the action. WE?...WE?? Who's "we" kemosabe? many of us- maybe even most of us made our own decision to LEAVE early on. I don't know anyone personally who became unable to make his or her own decisions. I'd say that GSC is full of folks who made their own decision to leave. These broad stroke claims are a disgrace. Sure, twi was phrucked up - and manipulating - but I refuse to give them credit they don't deserve. I've read plenty of posts where people have said that they knew something was off - and they were waiting for the opportunity to leave. Yes it was a complicated decision - but it was a decision all the same. A decision many if not most of us made on our own. Just who is "we" here"? I never experienced this nail-biting and waiting for some ghost from Christmas future. I didn't know anyone else who did either. You would do better to speak in much less general terms. It's not honest to do otherwise. You can certainly speak for yourself. You can even say that there are others like you. But to say "we" like it's all the posters at GSC who acted and felt the same way is almost arrogantly presumptuous. BTW - I am not awaiting death - I am enjoying watching my children mature and grow - and OH BTW - I never did wait for "the adversary" to come for me and I never agonized over such a thought set. The day after I left twi, I got up, fed my family, went to work, came home and made dinner - then cleaned up and slept very well. Maybe I should post something like "we all got up, fed our families, went to work, came home and made dinner - then cleaned up and slept very well." Oh wait... I can't do that - because then I wouldn't be speaking just for myself- I'd be projecting my situation on EVERYBODY ELSE. Now that wouldn't be honest, would it?

If JAL (AKA "The Mouth") had really learned anything at all from the past he would have written a much different letter. He would have stated plainly that he was as much to blame for the error and sin in both organizations as those he accused. After all, didn't he also partake in the adultery game in TWI? Didn't he also listen to the "prophecies" about Elizabeth? He divorced her because of those prophecies! Oh but he was so-o-o spiritual...(*roll eyes*) that now he can look back and blame others for the very same lies he followed and propounded. If he were honest about his life and track record, he would ask for forgiveness and continue to live a quiet life - far from the need for glory and recognition that comes with the addiction to "starting a ministry." Say John, just pay your taxes and make money with a job - it's not so bad. John,you made a mistake back in the seventies and chose not to work for some big corp like your daddy did. Admit that and at least start living honestly. As I recall, Paul kept up his ministry under house arrest - no fanfare, no meetings, no begging for allegiance - just living and loving. I hope the whole house of cards falls apart - for JAL and STFI. Let it topple to the ground and get trampled beyond repair. *spit* JAL has always been guilty of talking just to hear his head rattle. Can't wait for the phone calls to begin... "_____________ how are you? Remember the great times we had in (name a city or state)? "You never even talked to me or knew I existed , John." "Oh but I always loved you!" This guy has more masks than a Mardi Gras Parade.

He wasn't "just another dirty old man." He was THE "Dirty Old Man of Gawd For Our Day and Time and Hour." DOMOGFODATAH or DOMOG for short creepy, slimy SOB...

"Get on the bus, Gus Make a new plan, Sam You don't need to discuss much Just set yourself free....." There must be fifty ways to leave your cult.... Has a nice ring to it

An all seeing eye... Like Eye in the Sky?

"Mac Arthur Park" not sure of the artist.

Ex10... you know

You know you're in a screwed up cult when you... Invade the website designed to speak against said cult instead of spending time doing the things that are supposedly the "things of Gawdawlmighty."

..."But what's troubling you is the nature of my game" (whoo whoo) Life is so different now... we have dishwashers!

Brainfixed, I'm not sure if you'll ever read this - but you have totally misread my comments. Totally gotten me wrong. I'm not sure how or why - but you seem to have the distinct knack to come up with an interpretation of my words that is 180 degrees different from what I mean, and you do so consistently. I don't know what to say or do to make myself much clearer - but you should consider how frustrated you get when people misinterpret your words and realize that you do the same. While you may be working through your life, please remember that there are others here that are also working through their own stuff. I hope you find what you're searching for...

Point taken RR. I agree. I guess I was trying to say that the rules here at GSC aren't in the category of being controlling.

Well maybe if we post a recipe or two there may be a stop in the kitchen ;)