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Krys - Thank you so much for sharing this. It certainly can't be easy to relate something so horrible. To think that folks were afraid for their lives! This just smacks of prisoner of war thinking to me. Your kids were in a hotel room but afraid that Lind#r &Co. could cut them off from everything. For what? Leaving a "Christian training program? One day your DIL was mistress to the President and MOG- the next she was put out like garbage. For what? Leaving a "Christian" training program? !!!! It sounds more like Hotel California to me...

Wow! Go to work and a thread gains new life! These "two cents" might be old - but I gotta say it anyway.

Mstar - There's a page from Microsoft that says I have to download a license to listen to it.

Can we get another hint?

Maybe that car should be the new Fleet car at HQ

IIRC he's working in the desert on a video. Is he also working on tour?

If you read that letter carefully, OM - you'll see that JAL counted on it finding it's way to the Cafe. He may have a right to his opinion. But he's still being arrogant.

Mark - Little things...but big things really. Speaking in terms of solutions instead of problems. When a child spills something, instead of calling them "stupid" or "clumsy" or yelling "You always do that!" I learned to say, "Okay, you spilled it. Get a sponge and clean it up." Acknowledge their feelings. "Scratches can hurt." instead of "Stop crying. It's only a scratch." Give alternate solutions "Walls are not for writing on. Paper is for writing on." (Art on walls is a whole other thing! ;)) Basically using language to build self-esteem and encourage responsibility. ************* "T-Bone and the Toxic Tangents" - hehehehhe

maybe Thanks for withdrawing OM. I'll make one point though. Sanctioning a practice doesn't have to be limited to "written doctrine." By NOT speaking out against such practices, twi allowed it to happen. They were mighty quick to jump on something like the distribution of ABS- why not on this subject? Add to this how they chose to hide and protect known pedophiles by moving them.

I'm gonna take it one step further... How dare JAL look down his nose towards anyone that doesn't want to return to "the good old days." He had no problem defaming twi when he left. Now he wants to pontificate and ruminate? This reminds me of the phrase, "a dog returning to it's vomit." Ever watch a dog do that? They sniff it and sniff it and sniff it, checking and double checking (This had GOT to be edible- ewwwww NOT) But they DON'T EAT THE STUFF! ....Unless they're desperate and starving.

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We're gonna need some proof of that gig in the desert WD said he's off to. Let's see... what will we need... Photos. An autographed cigarette butt. A sound file in which Bob Dylan makes a special mention of the Cafe. A second cigarette butt so we can get DNA confirmed. What else?

I think the thing reads like one of his promos. I wouldn't be surprised if he dictated it in his "teaching mode" and had someone transcribe it. I bet he practiced in front of a mirror, too...

There's a right way and a wrong way to do everything. "Sometimes" is an understatement - but you most likely wouldn't realize that unless you have raised children.

Oldies - do you have kids? Did you have kids while in TWI?

How ironic that twi promoted the idea that "adultery" was symbolic and really referred to "spiritual adultery/idolotry," while it took the idea of "the rod of correction" and made it literal.

That man has a mighty big rooster...

Mark - There are lots of theories out there for using a spoon. I've even heard the rationalization that it's better to hit a child with a spoon than a hand because the spoon was not attached to your body and you would have to think about getting it. (Then again there were those parents that put their child's name on a spoon and kept it tucked in their belt. - UGH!) We used to joke about them wanting to invent a "switchblade wooden spoon." There was also the gal who told me that it was confusing to the child to be hit with a hand because the hand was used to comfort and soothe. In theory the explanation of "you only use the rod to get their attention" sounds fine and dandy. But - the reality of raising children is that they can drive you up a wall. Having a potential weapon in your hands when you're angry and/or frustrated is not a good thing. For the most part, folks were always saying to me, "You're trying to reason with a FOUR YEAR OLD!" Yea.. and? How else will they learn to reason if you don't allow them to try with you? My thinking was that kids need to understand that you love and respect them and were willing to listen to them - even if in the end your decision would stand "just cuz you said so." Once I was in the middle of cooking I had a wooden spoon in my hand while talking to my oldest who was being her stubborn self (the way I like it BTW.) I used the spoon for emphasis while speaking and hit the counter - and it broke! It startled both of us. (It scared the sh(t outta me!) After that I spoke to a friend who was a child psychologist married to a child psychiatrist and she recommended some techniques that were much more calm and productive than corporal punishment and threats.

Holy crap Abi! What arrogant anal orifices! The thing that irked me were the leaders who had no kids but thought they were experts because someone taught them how to wield a wooden spoon and justify it with some barely understood verses.

Cake- I'm also sorry for what you endured. Your story reminded me of what I saw while I was on my interim year. I was in Houston at a meeting for Twig Coordinators. (They still called it that.) J#rry C^gle was leading the meeting and announced that there would be a special meeting with Fr^nklin Sm(th (the then Limb Coordinator) and he was going to teach on (AHEM!) finances. J#rry said that he wanted both husbands and wives to attend, that there would be no accommodations for children, and parents should either find a babysitter or bring them to the meeting. What he then went on to describe was horrifying. He said, "If you people would learn to use the rod properly and consistently, you wouldn't have a problem bringing your kids. Here's how you do it." "The child talks and you tell him to be quiet. If he disobeys you swat him with the spoon and set him down with a coloring book. If he starts talking again, you swat him again. If he starts to scream you take him outside and swat him. You repeat this until he obeys. Eventually he'll get the message and he'll be quiet." (I believe he did say that you don't use a rod on a child younger than 3.) That sounds so sanitized. Anyone that has ever raised a child knows that it's never that simple - never mind that you're still basically beating your child into submission. Add to that frustration and emotions. The mentality of "I'm missing important stuff." and of course - the mothers had to do most of this. I wasn't married or a parent but I understood the complete guilt that moms felt because they had to miss a teaching. Add all this together and you've got a recipe for some real child abuse. Sick huh? I made it a habit to NEVER "reprove" a child in this manner - not the children of others and not my own. I do remember yelling at one mom for verbally abusing her daughter. Her reply was, "She's MY daughter!" I replied, "She's not your's forever! Now stop it!"

A big bubba and his tiny bride on their wedding night were getting ready for bed. He took off his pants and threw them at her. "Put these on!" he demanded. "I can't wear these. They're too big," she replied. "And don't you forget it!" he retorted. She quietly proceeded to take off her panties and threw them to him. "Put these on," she said. "I can't get into these," he answered. She looked at him, and calmly stated: "Yes. And you won't either if you don't change your attitude"

I agree that his behavior towards those telling their stories has been reprehensible. For the record - I posted a link to a post when he admitted he was spouse corps because he was playing games with Rascal and implying that she knew some things by second hand knowledge. I wasn't replying to Belle, Mark or anyone else. I was letting WD's own post speak for him. I saw it as a way of making him eat his words.

I wasn't aware that he claimed to ever had had any special qualifications or that he had special knowledge allowing him to refute personal testimonies. He's been belligerent on the point of wanting statements to be proven - but I have not seen any claim of superiority. Perhaps I missed that. He was asked three questions. He challenged a poster on her answers, asking if she got that information from him or someone else. I merely supplied a post where he did indeed say that he was Spouse Corps. Besides, what difference does it make? It's already been shown repeatedly that his demands for proof are nothing more than harassment. Maybe I'm missing something here, but what's the purpose of this?

I keep wanting to hear, "Hi-Ho, Hi-ho it's off to work we go" song in the background everytime the subject of v2p2 comes up.