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Sorry all of you. That's what I get for eaves dropping in on a conversation. Your'e right, niKa, they wouldn't stick - but ahh the dream...if they could. Thankfully there is a God that sees all and is just. You all are to funny - I hope I can visit often.

A farmer was looking out his window one morning and saw a man spending a long time with his cow. Perplexed, he called the man over and asked what he was doing. "Oh I can talk to animals and I was having a conversation with some of your animals," replied the man. " You can talk to animal?" said the farmer with much scepticism. " Oh yes, I've already spoken to your horse. He says that his name is Rocket and that he's been with you for 4 years. He says that he likes you much better than his last owner. He says that he prefers when you add some extra oats to his feed. Overall he seems very happy." "Wow! That's amazing! what else have you heard?" "Well, I was just finishing up with your cow when you called me over. She told me her name is Bessie and that she's 6 years old. She's very happy as well, but she wishes that you would make sure not to be late to milk her on Saturday mornings after you've gone out dancing all Friday night." " MY cow told you all that?!" " Oh yes..Then earliere I was talking to the sheep..." At which point the farmer cut off the man and said, "Those sheep are lying!"

I can only look at this from both sides as I have no interest in either the poster or the fight - but it is sad.... THIS IS A POSTER! not an idol, not a tape, not a VPW look-alike doll complete with anatomical embellishments. If you don't want it - why post? Watered Garden IS A PERSON!!! not some lily pad-filled mudhole in France. I seriously doubt that anyone here would be as rude in person as you can be with the safety of anonymity here in cyberspace. On the other hand - my hubby always repeats what he heard in the military - "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it." WG if you spent anytime reading the posts on this site you really could have gathered that you would draw at least some sarcasm. I didn't see anyone treat YOU as some filthy piece of excrement - they just jabbed away the TWI poster and probably in turn at anyone who seriously would want that poster - like dmiller. And Mark - you're right, had it been Mike or oldies or anyone else they really would have been ravaged. I will repeat and repeat that the disadvantage of a public forum board is that you can't look someone in the eye and see their face and hear their voice and read their body language. If that were possible we might all be a bit kindler and gentler in how and what we write - on both sides of the coin...

I was taught thtat God's people were precious and that with the respect and trust came a great responsibility to lead with wisdom. Now, I got all that from all the teachings I heard about King Solomon in his early days, as well as from specific teachings. I do believe that there were other messages put across alongside the truth stated above. Messages such as: "Only those in the Corps are really worthy of respect." and, "Corps should marry corps." (this was stated specifically.) But for the most part I was directly taught to treat all of God's people with respect - as I would want to be treated. I was taught that I was the one who should be on alert for the adversary's trckis and that I was to be a servant to God by serving His people. I'm sure that that could be twisted into anything sinister - but I never chose to twist it.

It wasn't me - but my hubby was cured of cancer on the WOW field in Reno. It just turned out that that year was the year that the tow top oncologists in the country were at the VA hospital in Reno. He says that had he stayed home he would have died. Meanwhile, I didn't know him yet but I had met his mom and she had asked us to pray for her son - so at the time he was just a name on a prayer list - years later we met and married.....

Ditto tonto! I am so glad that we got to spend time together! I just wish that more of my work was out on display that day...guess that I better get painting! The lower lights was for me I think - Thanks David! They were those that lit up the rocks in the harbour. (The lighthouse is the beacon - like Christ - the BIG light - the lower lights were those that lit the rocks in the harbor and helped shipped navigate the details of the shore) Thats what I beleive many of us were looking top become when we signed up for the Corps.. the image still has strong meanings for me. Thanks again David!

Ya know..... I love my kids. I don't like or approve of all that they do. Even if I haven't been able to forgive them for a period of time (like maybe an hour) I still love them. I even punish these loved kids - BECAUSE I love them. ( That would be at least one consequence of "sin") Still love them. When my kids repent ( as for forgiveness) I forgive them. I do not now have to return to loving them - because I never stopped. If we being "evil" and human can love our children why does it seem so far fetched that God is capable of the same. (Jesus said something like that - remember?) I'm sure that when we sin we disappoint Him, require forgiveness, but yet all the time are still loved. Even if we were never to repent, the love would remain. However, a relationship can be strained because of guilt and wrongdoing. I suspect that if I do a heinous thing and still feel no need for forgiveness that I am far from realizing how much I have neglected the relationship in question. (This works with people and with God as well.) If I do wrong and do feel guilt I will not be open and honest in the relationship because of my own feelings and what I imagine the other is thinking.

I don't HATE anyone. I get angry often - but manage to keep it under control and deal with the person in a mature fashion. If I go MAD ( heh heh heh) well then all maturity goes out the window. I believe that I have gone mad regarding my children on occasion - ok several occasions. I still end up back in this reality and loving them. Seems to me that madness is Anger taken up a couple of notches..

If there is any way to make these cases murder cases there is not statute of limitations. i'm not sure about aggravated manslaughter and various kinds of killing of this sort. I think a very creative prosecutor could make these cases stick. I know I'm not 9th corps - i'll go back to my hole now....lol

I also remember clearing out those woods. So many of us were soooooo hungry that we brought back paw-paws and ate them in our rooms!

"I'm free I-I'm free and freedom tastes like reality..." I think both are appropriate!

What a great day that was! It truly was a time when we all felt on an even playing field. Hey Jonny - do you remember the time we roasted a whole pig? There was a game we played that had everyone riding each other on a line - kinda like a giant mosh pit.

Just makes me even happier that I left when I did. In 1997 ( I know I know that's yet ANOTHER thread!) I met some folks that had just left that year. The stories I hears were horrifying! Like women were required to keep their nails manicured ( you know the whole french nail thing - YUK!) 1988 was bad enough. I'm not quite sure how anyone put up wht twi after that... I wish I had that song, "I'm Free!" by The Who playing in the background!!!

Sounds like Joni Mitchell, carly Simon, or Cat Stevens..... But no idea... Any other hints Sharon?

Ok sorry I was so insistant. I always wonder at the way people talk about the WC as if they(we) were vpw's personal inforcers. I was corps and was never felt like I was the secret service or anything. maybe I wasn't high enough up the totem pole or something. Anyway there were some good people in the corps.. I am often saddened to see someone I went through residence with talked about badly. Many of these people were good people but they were changed, hardened. Granted perhaps they started out power hungry and chose their road - but when I knew a lot ot these folks they were fun-loving and goofy - just like the rest of us. Anyway, didn't mean to derail - carry one everyone...

So may I ask again? What was it you heard - that Texas had a mass exodus? (Ithink it did) We ceceded! And the fact that we were so far from hq's reach made TX very hard to control. I would have left no matter what - but I dont think it was so easy to replace leadership down here. Again, it would be interesting to know how y'all heard it.....LOL

AHHHHHH but - I never believed in those beings - so no bell has rung. I have no mental gymnastics to do here. ( You might say this is sad - but I'm not sad.) It's fine with me if you accept gods of the earth, leprachauns etc. - But I if you don't and are just putting them forth for the sake of the argument - then the point really is mute. I just would find it very difficult to go through life without at least a memory of God, Jesus. I wonder - is it God you dont' believe in or the organizations that have been representing Him lately? I do see the value of reevaluating - but personally I couldn't totally forget it all and go through life that way.

"Unring that bell" is a line used in courts by lawyers. Once a jury heas something it is said that even of instructed to disregard it the cannot really forget ever hearing it. And your daughter may not believe in God or gods - but she has heard of them. (Just an aside not an argumentative point.)

I was in Texas in 1989. Having received "The Letter" to the Corps, I felt that the time had come to leave. It helped that I had left the ministry about 2 years before that for about a year - so I knew that debbul spurts weren't going to decend on hy home in droves. It also helped that our whole branch was just about ready to leave. There had been a teaching where lcm had taught about "The Rock" he sad that God was the Rock - vpw had said Jesus Christ was the Rock ( or vice versa) and the teacher had said that lcm had fonally done the unforgiveable - taught that JC was God. (Mind you, a lot of us were looking for justification to leave - just because we felt that to be truly self propogating and self governing we had to leave. Shortly after that a fairly new corps grad was very upset and must have gone to some meeting because she just kept on repeating that we all swore that we would follow lcm. Someone was in the area doing damage control for twi - as I remember it it was a fairly low level tc that had found a quick way to move up the food chain. I wonder Oakie - what was the "trouble in Texas" it would be interesting to hear it from twi's point of view....

You should have found a way to sneak that hair into her refreshments - you know - hide it under the cream cheese on the celery....... EEEEWWWWWW!!!!

Oakspear, My hubby knew this back when he first said it. he felt like TWI was acting like a "nation with a belligerent foreign policy" Ther were so many terms and "letters" that meant nothing to anyone not twi. PFAL Sit retemorize (while most say "memorize") etc etc ad nauseum........ all in all it seemed like twi was inventing its own language in a way. And it did indeed prove to be extreme, chauvinistic, and belligerent. The language had the effect of separating people out like they wre in some kind of club. Just in case you thought the term was used flippantly...

My hubby always called "Way speak" jingoism. He said that with all our "S-I -T " and God bless your face from outer space" not to mention all the class acronyms we ended up shutting people out.

It has always been my opinion that people gave the most when they wee left to give from their heart. Force 10% and you'll get less - because you've shifted the standard and lowered it form the Law of Love. Fuuny how TWI lost that concept...

Having believed in God - How do you "unring that bell?" Sure there are all sorts of things that don't loose their meaning "if there is no God," but somewhere in the back of your life there was a belief in God. I'm not so sure that the same would be true had you never known or been exposed to Him. ( I know you might say that I am assuming that there is a Him to have known - but this can be circular to the extreme if we're not careful.) Giving my two cents - yet again.

Well you will be SO happy to know tht I clean my classromm tables and chairs with Clorox cleaner. Most people don't think of the backd of the chairs - but that is where little hands go - right?