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That's it! Now kiss and make up... (((((((rascal))))))) ((((((((Jonny Lingo))))))) well - how else do you show a hug? And the rest of you - get in line! LOL dooj

What! No kiss??!!!

Ya' know.... I'm on the fence here. I see Jonny's point. I see rascal's point. I just don't see why a man that had stirred so much angst durng his life is still able to do so from beyond the grave. Jonny L is a decent guy! Rascal - you're a decent gal. The two of you (along with a host of others) disagree about VPW. Yea....and..... The problem is not the divergence of opinions. As I see it, it is how we treat each other as we talk of out our differing points of view. If you believe that VPW was of the devil - well then why give him a moment of your thought. Isn't that allowing him some place in your life that shouldn't belong to him? If you believe that VPW was a good man gone bad. Then you still are stuck with the notion that his bad actions hurt many. That isn't easy to deal with on anyone's part. Still, make sure that you in turn don't hurt others by defending your opinion. Jonny and rascal - I am not singling you out. You're just the two last names in disagreement in this thread. (Actually I'm thinking of others here more than you two.) The problem is universal here at GSC. I wish we could all get along and agree to disagree sometimes..... This isn't my best post - I can't seem to find the words that I know should be said... sigh..... :unsure:

CK, .......... AHHHH forget it - you're just not worth the effort anymore. Have a nice life. You have so much to learn - the problem is that: YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU DON"T KNOW! Think about it..

"Batter up!, George!"

Ck You quoted Paul Simon all over the GreaseSpot - in at least 3 places including Chat. You didn't mind getting off topic, did you? You used this line when you thought it would serve your purposes. NOW you complain? Why couldn't you find any scripture to answer with? Oh and You brought an old testament reference in - then you complained that others were talking about the OT and not the New. If you look up "Straw man argument" well don't be surprised if your picture is there. And I DID make many references to 1Cor 13:13. ANNNNDDDD....I also made references and suggestions as to how to work the Word on your own just to be able to verify what you get taught along the way. BTW did you look up that greek word?

Jonny, Folks feel what they feel. Your voice is welcomed - at least by me. When I get too over the top, you offer another side of the story and you make me say, "Hmmmmmmmm........." Now, that's a good thing! Please don't stop speaking up. just remember that old military addage, "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it." You're one of the good ones! Mwah!

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I thought that Ck used his Paul Simon quote here too, and I want to make sure he gets this message when he checks on on us..... QUOTE QUOTE(ckmkeon @ Apr 12 2006, 06:19 PM) I will let you in on a little piece of info .. Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. The saddest little piece of info here is that you do not know how to keep things in context. Even sadder is that this was one of the GOOD, CORRECT, things that VPW taught. And you can't even seem to grasp the basics of his teachings. You are speaking from ignorance. You came here looking for only what you wanted to find, not the truth. SAD. Very, very SAD. Here are the lyrics to the opening lines form "the Boxer" by Paul Simon - which you have been so fond of quoting. I am just a poor boy, though my story's seldom told. I have squandered my resistance, For a pocketful of mumbles, such are promises. All lies and jest. Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. The person in this song says that he "SQUANDERED his resistance for a pocketful of promises - all lies and jest...yadda, yadda, yadda.. So the song you are so fond of quoting actually makes OUR point for us better than it serves you. We are talking about the fact that at one time WE DID hear what we wanted to hear - and disregarded the rest. We only heard the "promises of a more abundant life," and we tried to look past the evils we saw. So what are YOUR pocketful of promises that you are disregarding the rest for????? Have to think about that. don't ya'?

The saddest little piece of info here is that you do not know how to keep things in context. Even sadder is that this was one of the GOOD, CORRECT, things that VPW taught. And you can't even seem to grasp the basics of his teachings. You are speaking from ignorance. You came here looking for only what you wanted to find, not the truth. SAD. Very, very SAD. Here are the lyrics to the opening lines form "the Boxer" by Paul Simon - which you have been so fond of quoting. I am just a poor boy, though my story's seldom told. I have squandered my resistance, For a pocketful of mumbles, such are promises. All lies and jest. Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. The person in this song says that he "SQUANDERED his resistance for a pocketful of promises - all lies and jest...yadda, yadda, yadda.. So the song you are so fond of quoting actually makes OUR point for us better than it serves you. We are talking about the fact that at one time WE DID hear what we wanted to hear - and disregarded the rest. We only heard the "promises of a more abundant life," and we tried to look past the evils we saw. So what are YOUR pocketful of promises that you are disregarding the rest for????? Have to think about that. don't ya'?

Mist Tick Drain???? OK a SWAG here ( Scientific Wild A$$ Guess) Mystic River???? I know that's a drain - but I don't think there's a movie called "mystic Drain." Then there's "Mystic Pizza...."

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Here is the link I promised on Maxwell Edison Maxwell's Silver Hammer Just wanted to keep a promise.... dooj

Miss Pipes, You write in poetry what I've been setting to prose - only I'm not a writer by trade - as you well know. Maybe we should collaborate with poetry and illustrations... dooj

Mark - Just a suggestion - but why not have a pic of VPW pushing Jesus Christ off his throne?

YES! George gets it!

yes - WHICH opera house? begins with an "M" In NYC..... got it?

This is an opera house.

Tom, for this one you'll need the specific location that the first pic is from. I'll give more hints if you guys need it - but I suspect since you are all so quick to join in the choir, you will get this one soon.

Chatty Kathy = Maxwell's Silver Hammer is historical. I'll get the link for you later. There really was a Maxwell Edson majoring in medicine. he did kill people with a hammer. He was up for parole a few years back in merry ole England. BC 31 refers to the detective that went to the first crime scene ( i think - if memory serves me right,) Now how do I know this? my teenager told me and we looked it up together. Paul Mc Cartney wanted to do a campy littel song about the trial - hence the line, "Rose and Valerie screaming from the gallery, "Maxwell must go free.."

If you look up all my posts to you, you will see that I have said much, much, much, much, much, much, more to you than anything referring to your age. I have gently recommended that you go to your dad and ask for help in learning how to do a word study. I have asked you, for your own good to use a spell checker. I have told you what the word says. You only see what you want to see and disregard the rest. Actually CK I don't really talk about your age all that much, but when I do, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt because I am trying to believe you to be young and full of "I know it all." That isn't necessarily a bad thing - but it is a common denomination with youth that most of here have lived through. Actually youth can be a very good thing - if there is wisdom. You are just coming out all full of pi$$ and vinegar. I dont' see you trying to learn. I see you trying to stir the pot, to make a flurry just so you can watch the show. You see, I was just 2 years older than you when I took that class. (That is, IF your are who you say you are.) I ate it up. I knew it backwards and forwards within one year. You are here arguing without having even the most basic fundamentals down. You are defending a man that you don't even know. You are trying to match the glory of a good memory by YOUR PARENT'S standards against our OWN EXPERIENCES! Now your parents may have had only good experiences - but you are trying to live them out by proxy (look it up.) I remember lots and lots of good times. Lots and lots of great people. I took a pile of classes. I learned Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. I am greatful for the good things that I got from twi. That does not leave me ignorant to the harm that was done by the very same people that taught those classes. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I really don't believe you are who you say you are. There are people here from the 9th Family Corps - do they know your parents? So to repeat - I mentioned your age because I think that IF you are really 19 that you should be given some latitude (look it up.) I also believe that IF you are 19, you should know that the cockiness that you display right now will fade as you live life. You should read the parts of the Word that refer to mercy. (Yes there are a lot of them in the old testament - but the WHOLE Bible is for our learning. (If you really were a student of PFAL and vpw you would know that.) You should show some compassion. You should grow up. While you're deep in your studies, look up the Greek word, idios.

Why are you comparing VPW and Jesus Christ. I never said that VPW was Jesus. CK Because we are supposed to follow Jesus. Because as a leader VPW was to be held to a high standard. You want to have it both ways - you want us to follow all that the word says (which you barely understand yourself.) But you'll let VPW off the hook at a moment's notice. Now, You get angry if someone used the OT to refer to a verse in the NT - but you use the ole"wink at sin' form the old testament whenever you feel like you're backed into a corner. If you're going to learn the Bible - LEARN IT! Quit playing around. I get the feeling that you really aren't defending yourself, or VPW. You come across as though you are defending what your parents told you. We have no problem with the fact that your parents had good experiences while in TWI. I think the problem we have here is that you insist on picking fights without even the most basic knowlege of what you are talking about. You know - I'm done. Read some C.S. Lewis. Learn how to write, learn how to spell, learn how to argue intelligently, learn the scriptures, LEARN HOW TO THINK FOR YOURSELF! - then come back and we'll talk. BTW - VPW used to quote - Bullinger I think it was , " Most people don't really know how to think - they just think they know how to think.) FOOL! (Look that up in Proverbs you'll see yourself there. Oh and BTW - the OT has a purpose - to tell us that which has come before and to teach us what the NT does not - God has no need to re-teach things that are still true.)

Ck, believe me, it is sooooooo easy to say what you think you'll do when you're 19 and havent' had anything like any of these experiences touch your life. You might not believe this, but I have forgiven VPW, LCM and the guy who tried to rape me - as he was taught by VPW. Now, having forgiven them doesn't mean that I'm not still a bit well - peeved about it. It doesn't mean that I would trust either of the two that are still alive - that trust would have to earned over a very long period of time. It is possible to forgive someone and still feel the need to talk about it. Forgive does not mean forget. WE all share some experiences that you simply are not privvy to. You weren't around when VPW was alive so you never saw the hatred in his eyes when he was totally pi ssed off. You never had LCM tell you you weren't worth the gunpowder it would take to blow you up. Many of us here share that - we talk about it to get it out and begin to get it into perpesctive. You can't possibly know how that feels. - You'll also notice that we also have some great times we talk about with each other. Look around and you'll find them - if you haven't found them its because you haven't looked. That would indicate that you are looking to find fault in us. Remember the old saying (I'm not sure yu have heard it though) To truly know a man (or woman) you must walk a mile in his (or her)shoes. Live another 19 years and then tell me how it feels to have someone betray your trust. Until then -

What the Hey: All keys are tools Not all tools are keys. The key gets a specific job done. The wrong tool can be used for a job - but that doesnt' make a keey any less a tool. I can use a Screwdriver handle to sink a nail - but that doesn't change the fact that the screwdriver is a tool as is the HAMMER I should be using. PFAL sets forth keys - these keys are tools. Now, the tools have been set forth. People HAVE used them. Mike seems to want us to use them differently than they are meant to be used. (AHHH - now we again have the misuse of a tool.) Are we done yet?