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Pond, I'm not quite getting why you are being so antagonistic. My point was that just because abortion is legal does not force someone to choose abortion as an option. (I wasn't disagreeing with you or agreeing with you - it was a new point.) Actually you made my point with your illustration of Jesus being tempted and CHOOSING to not obey satan. Also, lots of people here have acknowledged that the Bible doesn't use the word "Abortion." But the Bible does have a lot to say about the morality that might lead one to an abortion, as well as the question of death and the taking of a life. And, correct me if I'm wrong Abi - but isn't Exodus referring to the judges in Israel and not just any old civil judge? If we are going to talk about the court system and compare it to Israel we might find ourselves comparing apples to oranges. I'm just thinking in writing here. Sometimes we all need to just get the questions out in the open. The answers sometime come from just asking the right questions.

You making Bloody Marys for breakfast dmiller?

I have always maintained that it is futile to legislate this matter. There are too many human factors to consider. Also, human nature being what it is - there will always be the people who bend the "rules" to the farthest extent. This is why the thread was supposed to be about what - if anything the Bible had to say regarding abortion and not opinion about the matter. We are not supposed to be discussing if it is legal. I think that at THE MOST Rom 13 points to telling believers to obey their governments - but I don't believe that if a government deems - oh let's say genocide (just to come up with an over-the- top example) - legal - that that decree makes genocide ok. It simply states the legality and as such no obedience is necessary. In a case like that you COULD commit genocide if you wanted to - but no one would be commanding you to do so - hence no obedience necessary. Permission does not equal a command. Now I think that T-bone had some good points as did WordWolf and VeganXTX.

Tom - Post one and then PM me about the Texas BBQ

You're just not spurt-ull enough.

OH NO! Now we've been reduced to threats!

Ok so back to the original topic........ Please !

We're in Texas. I'm Italian (and I CAN COOK!) I figure that we will make th big meal the Texas BBQ thingy (btw - Ex10's hubby wants to take care of the brisket. That leaves you and I to coordinate the "fixin's", Tom. Beer, Margaritas, Beer (LOL) Potato salad Chips chips chips Hot sauce and Hotter sauce But this is just one meal. What about a big ole pot of Minestrone and real homemade Italian bread. If you insist, I can make chili - just thought I'd do something different for a change. (Something that is easy to make for a bunch and doesn't have to be eaten "RIGHT NOW" so to speak. Then there's the now Infamous Cheesecake Contest. I'm all up for suggestions.... Tom share your ideas -you can find me in chat or PM me or pm me and I'll send you my phone number and we can really talk. Breakfast - Ideas anyone?

Pond - I may be wrong - but the logic is getting dangerously close to saying that if our government suports abortion, then so does God. And if and when our government makes abortion illegal - well then God will be against it as well. If this is what you are saying ( and I said IF) then it seems too close to the cart driving the horse. God decides what is and is not sin. We here on earth are striving to find His ways and obey them. (At least a lot of us are)

Actually, when I posted my answer, all I could see was the map and the photo of Maimi. So...Its my turn? or do I default because I was a smart alec?

Oh and SIT with each breath.

Boobs/troll Ann/Heche Hay/ Man any of these close?

CSI Miami? In which case - Tom's clue was better than Raf's

Ok here's what I'm thinking - there are about 3 meals that we need to plan for - 1. The BBQ 2. The meal before or after (depending on when we want to eat the BBQ - I'm figuring we need to have it in the evening so that everyone gets there and has time to settle in. So we need a meal to welcome people with - light and tasty. 3. Breakfast to get everyone on the road. Then theres the noshing that people love to do while they talk and chat and have a great time. Drinks! We need something t drink! Oh - George please tell The Countess that her paotato salad will be greatly appreciated as will The Strange One's "She That Must Be Obeyed's" pico de gallo. Basically, RumRunner and I are wanting to trade some recipes - so if he gets to come I'm hoping that he will help prepare the meals that Tommy Boy doesn't want to mess with. Hey! Are we gonna teach these folks the proper way to two-step?

Happy Birthday to you Flow 7!

Can you finish THIS shave before you start planning your next one?

I told her I'd dance with her but I didn't mean NOW!

You guys! Don't you need to go and get some aerobic points or something?

Tom - we need to PM each other and plan some food. I'm assuming that yu have no problem with RumRunner and I having a friendly cheesecake competition - we all win that one! Besides.... we all know I'm gonna win! - the competition is really a formality. (Dooj ducks as Rummy aims his spatula!)

I have heard one theory that for Cain to have given fruit would be like a modern day Jew to make a sacrifice of a pig. NOw, I'm not a believer in this theory - but I thought I'd throw it in the mix. The reasoning is that God commanded Adam to eat of the herbs and seeds - NOT the fruit. Fruit is just an indicator of the seed and the plant. So - roots are out (IE< carrots, potatoes, beets etc.) Tomatoes and cherries are out. In this man's eyes - and I should note that he is a Christian with Jewish roots from Spain, and a doctor that prescribes this diet to those with hight blood sugar and high blood pressure) only leafy vegetables and seeds are eaten. He has all the logic - perhaps someone else out there knows this stuff. Anyway, the point is that according to this theory, Cain's sacrifice was wrong at it's core. He never should have sacrificed any kind of fruit. I think that the word "fruit" is being interpreted too literally here - any Hebrew scholars out there?

Someone has too much time on their hands....... You need 3 or 4 kids to raise.

Ok - so counting the dozen or so from Houston (and RumRunner) we are up to about 32 - assuming that everyone comes that is a maybe. (Hey I'm and optimist!) Hopefully by early to mid-October we will have a good headcount so that we can really begin planning some food. Also - give us a good estimation of when you are arriving and leaving - so that we can know how many are there for each meal. Too exciting!

Abi - I have two girls. At TIMES I prefer one to the other - but that has more to do with whether one has ticked me off that day. (LOL) Actually, I can say that I don't have a favorite child. I have seen this tho, and it can be devastating. I have used the stories of families in the old testament to help my girls understand how siblings can truly hurt each other, how jealousy can tear a family apart, and finally, how to forgive a sibling.

David, Iffin' you come you have to bring at least one of those stringed instruments of your's.

to Dooj add - the dooj family (mr and 2 girls) Oh, and RumRunner says he's trying to work out some details - we have a cheesecake contest going if he comes. And Tom - Rummy would like to help with the food - you OK with that? Then we need to know how many there are that are already in Houston - Ex10 help us out with that - we know there's your hubby and at least one of you kiddos - who else? Or at least a headcount.