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Prison Rock?

OK - so I"m wanting some recipes for both Gumbo and Jumbalaya.... Okra - well I'll ignore that slimy veggie as much as I possibly can. OOOOhhhhh - Etoufee! OK - y'all got the assignments - start typing please.....

Ropes/steel/ Roots/ swamp ????

Good observation, Mark. Just to clarify - because all sorts of things get read into words like this - THIS STATEMENT DOES NOT SAY that you are accusing WhiteDove of anything. I know this - but I can just see how this can become a powder keg even though you had no intention of causing a firestorm.... I can just see how this can explode ,,

Kit - You're right! Go ahead

Thank you WW - (I took the liberty of fixing my typos after reading my last post.)

Dove - just an observation here - Wouldn't you agree that abusive people thrive when they have no consequences for their abusive behavior? I seem to remember a quote: "The only thing necessary for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing." Perhaps at first the doctrine was sound and there were a few incidences of practical error. BUT, once leaders started to cover for other leders, or fail to take action, then the doctrine changed because it was then widespread practical error. Yes, this may be after your time - but isn't it even remotely possible that the practical error began with some who came from your time? Just trying to see all the angles here.....

Nope

Mental abuse and manipulation are powerful. The TWI I knew in the '70's was a LOT different than the TWI of the '90's and later. From what I hear, the changes were somewhat gradual. Think about the frog sitting in water that is slowly coming to a boil - by the time it realizes what's happening, its way too late - the damage is done. Hope this explains that I see both sides of this issue. Hey folks! We are people! - Supposed to be somewhat concerned for other human beings....Doesn't it say that if one member of the body is hurt that we all suffer? Anyone can clearly see that there is a lot of hurt on these pages.

Potato, I apparently didn't say what I meant clearly. I was trying to say that I see both your side and Dove's side of the matter. I agree - sometimes a person truly is a victim of violence, cohersion, abuse, etc. The trick is always to move up and out of that to being a person in control of your life again. I sympathize with you ( I had some bad things happen to me) and I applaud your efforts to move ahead with your life.

it was battery powered Koolaide

Ok I'm weighing in here - just a little bit....... When you have a ministry of thousands that spans years there will be lots of differences in what people see, do, and have happen to them. I'm all for taking responsibility for my actions - Keeps me from being a victim. In fact, I have even asked for forgiveness even when I knew I wasn't wrong - because it brought about healing faster and I could take that kind of "hit." Many people made bad decisions based on misinformation - call it manipulation, or cohersion, call it spiritual blindness - no matter. AT THE TIME some of these folks thought they were doing the right thing - others knew they were in the wrong - only each person can say where they were in that equation. I know some bad things I did and said because I was acting on "an order" or a mandate. I still did it and I still have asked for forgiveness in as many situations as I have been given opportunity. I never saw any of the wrongs in TWI - or else I would have spoken out. When I did finally see some of the garbage that some clergy were doing - I stood up to them. I have this way of thinking now....I do my best, own up to stuff regularly and let folks know when they are wrong. Mental abuse and manipulation are powerful. The TWI I knew in the '70's was a LOT different than the TWI of the '90's and later. From what I hear, the changes were somewhat gradual. Think about the frog sitting in water that is slowly coming to a boil - by the time it realizes what's happening, its way too late - the damage is done. There are things in the "latter" TWI that I find unbelievable and intolerable because I got in in the late '70's and out in '89. Anyone who got in later was already getting in in that more legal atmosphere - so they got in once the water was already on the stove for a long long time - and I got worst from there. Not saying that there weren't major wrongs in the '70's - there were - but the "loving" feeling of the '60's was still around - and we were all just wanting to be a bunch of kids bucking the religious system. Ok - beat me up - I can take it.....

But, but, but........what if we did BOTH!!!!!

Kit is correct!

Starman?

Correctamundo...

Hassidic Jew/ orthodox Leah Thompson Julia? (Not even sure that was a show!)

Sara! Two Nuns for Sister Sara! WHAT IS THAT GUY'S NAME?

Will somebody please publically insult me in a really damaging way so that I can sue you and put my kids through college on your dollar? PS - I'll even give you some back! Ok Ok maybe I'm being too crass here...... Is this horse dead yet?

Dang! I know the first half - but I can't think of the Name! Two Mules for: nuns/ sister(s) Notre Dame, fighting Irish/ I don't know that guy and I can't remember the movie title to guess it...

GSG - I thought it was Thoroughly Ma(Kettle) (laura)Dern(pepper)Mill Lee(Merriweather) LOLOLOLOL I now see how tired I was when I posted that the last four pic were one word! They were of course two words.

Mother of 2 This place is good to vent. You'll have lots of ears. I'd say you should also find a thread or two that is fun. It is so easy to stay in that mode where you are angry all the time. If you talk about being angry too much - well, it just makes you angrier.....LOL So, while you're venting and learning, also take some time in the Prayer Thread to see who you can help. Take time to be thanful that you weren't raised in TWI - so although these relatives are mean and ornery - they aren't your parents! Pray for them - if you can yet. Many of us are willing to help - Godspeed your journey to healing!