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Perhaps a clarification is in order. Oldiesman hardly ever really *calls* anyone LIARS and VICTIMS. BUT stick around a while and you will see heavy implications. I'll dig up a thread from a year ago and PM it to you. Back to our regularly scheduled topic.....;)

John wrote: I actually heard something to this effect twenty years ago. BUT, it was followed by saying that by the time most women initiated the divorce, the problems in the marriage had gone on for so long that for the most part the women felt that divorce was the only solution. I have to question the words in bold type. It really is not how Dr. Brothers spoke, though it may be a bad paraphrase of what she really did say. Then Jean quoted Groucho and then wrote: Honestly, I didn't see Groucho sticking his nose in your marriage. I DID see him giving his opinion regarding the phrase "tie-breaker." Perhaps its just a matter of semantics, perhaps it's that Groucho and Oakspear are the rare type of men that actually LIKE to talk things out. (This is a place where folks give their opinion and perspective. If you don't want something discussed, don't post it.) Jean, for the record, I think that the situation you described with John's mother is possibly the most emotional situation that a couple can face. From my perpective, YOU DID COMPROMISE - BUT you did it so that the reality of the situation would make itself known to John. There is nothing wrong with that, from my point of view. (Not that you need my approval here.) John didn't really "win" an argument, he simply "won" an opportunity to see that what he thought he wanted wasn't best for either his family or his mother. I'm glad that he wasn't prideful in the situation. He could have forced the issue - it seems that he saw things for what they were and made the appropriate changes to the benefit of all involved. Could it have been done another way? Well, in an emotionally charged situation like the one you and John described, I doubt it.

Congrats to Ryan. He deserves it! Brag on!

Something occured to me today... I remember hearing all the time how a woman had to be strong in the Lord, and able to make decisions. I can't tell you how many dang Womens' Fellowships I attended as a single woman where Proverbs 31 was discussed. "Be good with money. Be able to make decisions on your own. Blah, blah, blah...." (After you hear anything that many times it all becomes a dull drone.) Then of course there were the infamous words of vpw: "Women, You have to be an angel in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom." What a set-up! There was a bait-and-switch that went on there. IF you were strong - well you were "HEADstrong." (AKA- possessed.) IF you were good with money - you were usurping your husband's authority as the head of the household (AKA - possessed.) IF you were able to make decisions on your own -well you weren't meek - you guessed it folks - Possessed. Angels in the kitchen were appreciated....as were the whores. The only trouble is that the angel frequently became just another short order cook and a whore is never treated well or respected - she's a object. (Oh - and she's probably possessed....) I realize that a lot of men treated their wives with respect and dignity. But one has to take note how that teaching strained many a relationship.

Larry - I would suggest that you read a LOT of Oldiesman's posts. As you well know, sometimes in a forum there is a history that follows someone. I am neither confirming nor denying that Oldiesman has done what he is accused of - because I really don't want to get into this fight - but I think that you will see where WW and other posters are coming from if you do as I suggest.

I'm chiming in here - cautiously... Relationships - real, honest relationships are born out of mutual respect, compromise, and lots of discussion. Both parties have to be willing to be wrong and be vulnerable. Regarding a "woman who wants to be heard 24/7" (paraphrased); there is something worst than being yelled at and treated disrespectfully - that is being ignored. At least if you are being yelled at an emotion is evoked. I have seen it time and time again: a woman has been kicked to the curb emotionally for months, perhaps years, and so she begins to start arguments regularly - just to evoke any emotion at all. Sometimes negative attention is better than no attention at all. I'm NOT saying this is a healthy response. Nor am I saying it is an excuse. I'm just saying that this happens. IF a woman is never acknowleged, never asked for input, never given the respect of being "necessary," that woman WILL find a way to be heard. Granted, this is not the usual case - but I saw it way too often in TWI. AND - I want to emphasize that I in no way, shape or form believe that this is a healthy response. I would advise that couple to seek NON-TWI counseling. Somehow some form of mutual respect and honest communication would need to be restored for that relationship to take a healthy turn. If the relationship could not be healed, I would advise walking away - for the emotional health of both parties.

So, someone may have already answered this, but what's going to happen to that Carnegie Library?

Carry on without me until August. My internet access won't be complete at home until then. :( I hope I get to share a bit sometime tho.....

Did I miss the shot??? I was moving....I'll here now and I can be here on Sunday evening if anyone still wants to listen. Let me know...

For you, Out There: hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia: The fear of long words.....;)

Raf - May your wedding day be not only joyous, (as we know it will be ;)) but also filled with memories (the good kind!) that will last you the rest of your lives.

Works for me.

Larry, I'm just looking for clarification here. Who were you referring to when you said back in post #30: It appears like you were talking to Raf - who does indeed publish his work. And I saw no question when Groucho wrote, "He does...." But then later the subject turns to Mike (of course not by your hand.) No argument here - just looking for what's going on... +

I have seen a similiar cake done in a large,. new. clean terra cotta pot You use chocolate cake crumbs over the pudding cake and then bury the gummy worms. For girls just add artificial flowers, For boys - I'd use plastic greenery and plastic frogs... Have fun! ;)

Gremlin! That's about right.....

Can you just see a squirrel with the munchies...?????? :wacko: :wacko:

A Bounce House....

Eh?

That was the sub-basement....

John Waite - "Missing You"

And the thread begins the decent into the Doctrinal basement........ Third floor...Liars, pimps, theives, Second floor....Plagerism, pimps, thieves....

Caution - there is strong language at the very end....

In life there will always be folks you get along with and others that rub you the wrong way. In TWI many of us learned to fake it. We were told to just renew our minds and get along with our brother or sister in Christ. Sound advice - unless that brother or sister is abusing the grace and mercy that is extended to them. Again, here at GSC we have the opportunity to learn some new habits and develop some new skills.

OK - more exciting news! My work will be represented in a desk calendar for the local artists here in my city! It's going to be one of those nice spiral bound calendars - kinda like the kind you can find at Barnes and Noble. I'm still looking into the prices of giclee prints... The hardest part of this is deciding which image to print first. I'm also going to talk with the owner of the Gallery that represents me. I've gotten so many wonderful PM's from folks! You guys are just so supportive and terrific!

Paw - I would LOVE to do that - but I won't be online until the following Sunday --7/8/07 at the earliest. Can I make a date for then???