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Yes but 14 year olds don't go to college. And I'm referring to VP showing the "doggy video" to a room full of family corps, teens in tow, at a pajama party. Only to the extent that what he taught was accurate... Yes it is. In this case, the eyewitnesses were also the victims. Ask them if the word is strong enough to describe the pain they endured.

Would you continue to LOVE a dead cockaroach...? Are you positive that she feels hate? That's a lot to lay at someone's feet...

livinit, How David reacted to Saul is presented as his reaction, NOT a standard. David loved Saul. He recognized that Saul was God's annointed one. He also loved Jonathan. David's response to Saul's death is indicative of his grear respect and affection for a man. I even see how perhaps David might have felt a bit uncomfortable taking on the role of king and maybe secretly hoped that Saul would turn back to God. There's a lot to speculate on - but still no commandment to us today. Just because someone does something in the Bible, it doesn't mean that it then becomes a commandment for us today. On the other hand Ahab's remains were not treated with respect. I for one didn't love VPW. There are those that did, and they did as they saw fit with his remains. BTW - I did try to protect a MOG - holding to the idea that I wouldn't defame one of "God's annointed." The jerk took a whole branch down with his lust. I'm being king here - it was much worst...

I'm gonna' come right out and say it. I truly believe that VP's main motivation for showing THAT video at Rome City, to THAT audience (with teenaged girls in the room) was purely voyeuristic. In other words, I really believe that VPW got a kick out of seeing the various reactions in the room. Say I'm thinking evil if you want. Say I'm judging him. I don't know have any other sane reason for his actions. BTW - my reaction to the "Christian Family and Sex" class was that it was really about sex and very little about Christian Family. I wouldn't even put it in the category of sex education. I'm no prude and I wasn't a prude when I was 20. I just don't remember walking out of there feeling the class had been appropriately titled. Maybe it should have been called, "VPW does New Knoxville." <_<

If only it were accurate... This would have happened with or without VPW. (Read above.) Well, his wants are irrelevant. We can only speculate as to what he wanted. I think he would have wanted to still be alive and in control of his empire. No surprise there. The Word of God lives and abides forever VPW is a blip on the screen. It doesn't take hatred to put things in their proper perspective.

I'm quick - sometimes....

So.. by this logic I should rent XXX movies and show them to my girls... Sorry, I'm not buying that krap. Take some of the most vial stuff and show it to a bunch of young adults ( I include teens and those in their early twenties here...) so that you can "protect" them from the world - Seems like he became "the world"... That may have been the public explanation, and the story you feel most comfortable with believing. Did he want us to adopt bestiality? Probably not. That doesn't mean that his motives were purely for teaching purposes - come on, I may have been born at night, but it wasn't LAST night. <_<

It took me ten years....and then another year after my dad divorced "her."

More than likely, there would be an "accident" and Rosie would get them instead...

Uhhhh...David never laid a hand on Saul - But that doesn't mean that David didn't talk honestly about Saul. He went to Jonathan and complained heavily. Remember that David could have killed Saul while Saul was relieving himself, instead he just cut off a bit of his clothing to show Saul that he "didn't take the shot." It's not a perfect analogy, because Saul wasn't a teacher. He had prophets for that. God being the judge doesn't negate the need for me to use the brain He gave me... Like I said, there's a need for all POV's...

Although TWI ordained women, they always spouted that men were better able to lead... I think that LCM figured he had an "in" with rosie through Donna. Talk about playing both ends against the middle.... <_<

More big confessions: I don't like Oreos. When I was little, I thought that the numbers "3" and "5" looked angry. Then I found out they were just odd... ;)

Did we already discuss "sea sponges"????

Here's the rest of my story: My mom died when I was eight. She got sick with a brain tumor when I was 4. I was in college. I was talking to my aunt (sister of my Mom) and saying something to the extent of, "If Mom hadn't died things would be different..." She cut me off right there. She proceeded to tell me that some kids grew up totally orphaned. Other kids grew up with both parents - but were beaten or abused. Still others grew up in wartime... Her point was that everyone has pain. Everyone has suffering. That in my lifetime I would meet people who had it easier and had it harder than I did growing up. The she looked at me and said, "From this point on, YOU are in charge of your life. NO more blaming it on your Mom dying." That woke me up. I know of other folks that have had similiar "confrontations." I know that you can't stay stuck in your pain. I also see that while some folks need the "tough love" approach, others need people to tell their stories and hopefully guide the hurt out of their pain. So here at GSC both the Oldiesmen and the Rascals are necessary... IMHO

Jonny - there weren't any 14 year olds at Emporia for VPW to invite to the pajama party where he showed these "doggy videos." As I recall, T-Bone said that he made a point of inviting one teen girl up to the front so he could embarass her with an obsene pen... He had to pick his audience... <_<

Seems like the "legacy" lives on afterall...

I'm not sure.... I need to take some time to cry... I really have no other words at this time...

I bet we aren't the only ones....

Larry and Rascal, I have neither the time nor the patience to cut and paste the various quotes I'm about to address - but they are within the last few posts, so I trust this will still be easy to follow. I hear what Larry is saying. I also hear what Rascal is saying. I'd like to address something in the middle that comes from some personal experience, not TWI related. Concerning these two quotes from Larry: I'm sure that you're smart enough to know that people many times know the right thing to do but for some reason don't do it. I could have said, "They chose not to do the right thing," but I think that for some folks this "choice" is clouded by a lot of emotional baggage. My father remarried after my mother died (my brothers and I were very young when she died.) He wanted a mother for his children. She wanted a husband and someone to sire her children. It wasn't long before things fell apart. It became obvious that she resented us. I won't go into details here. I can say that everyday I would come home from school and look at the clock - to see how long I had before "she" came home. There's a lot to share that can illustrate how tense the living situation was - but this board and this thread is not the place for that discussion. I guess you'll have to trust me when I say it wasn't any kind of life you would chose for your children. In fact, there is my point. My father HATED the situation. BUT, he also felt obliged to stay in that marriage - because of his religious beliefs, because he didn't want to hurt her feelings, because he kept hoping that if we all kept our mouths shut long enough, the situation would change. Did he know what to do? Yes and no. He felt torn. His religion told him it was wrong to divorce. His gut told him to get us out of that situation. Okay, enough. I'm going to make some points to Larry here: I'm hoping that you might consider that although there you were able to walk, that your "faulty tools" didn't prevent you from doing the right thing, that there is the possibility that a lot of folks felt torn by the religious beliefs they held because of TWI. They "knew" what to do - but there were other things telling them that it might just all get better if they just kept their mouths shut. You can call it conjecture, I'm calling it empathy. You say that you lived through some dark times and came out of the valley of the shadow of death. I bet there are lots of stories like that here. Some of the stories would make your's look like a carousel ride, others might make your's look like some horror flick. The point is that for every person here - pain is pain. There isn't one of us here that gets to say that their pain is/was deeper or more intense than another's. I think I've made a major faux pas here and taken a major tangent. My guess is that face to face it wouldn't be so easy for you to be so quick with a quip. I could be wrong, though.

Bow - Eggplant is very - spongy (for lack of a better word.) It will absorb a lot of oil, also it can be bitter. I suspect that the milk is supposed to help both of those factors -it might even help it stay a bit firmer because of the milk sugars and proteins. Grandma always used salted water, but maybe milk works better...

We're talking about a man that keeps wanting to put pineapple on pizza - he was probably being cynical and teasing at the same time...

WordWolf beat me to it.... I wanted to repeat this point in Suda's post: There were so many good points in that paragraph that I decided to make them easier to spot.

Garth...You're such a tease...;)

With all you lesbians...finally a girl's got some choices! ;)

I go into my closet to get clothes.... I come out when I find something to wear...sometimes I come out with nothing...;) Okay, I'll admit it I too have dried my hands on my dog!