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On the front page on the right hand listing is a "link" word, click on that , then go down to the drop down you will find several ex-way ministrys ETC. most still believe as you do. christian Education Service will redirect you to Spirit and Truth and they have listing of all the churches and fellowships they know of in your area. It also has a link to the unitarian web site that is non trinity and their churches in your area

OMG the piano , yeha it a good one how about that love scene ? WOW he is to sexy in that movie OMG. every since that movie I love austrian pigmys lolololol

the best love story of all time . "the princess bride " hands down my favorite girl flick of all time with lots of adventure and villians and true love .

In" the princess bride" when the main character is brought to Billy Crystal because he has been tortured for days and is thought dead. He said He was "mostly dead" . but true love brought him back . also in the same movie I think it is mandy Pitikan (sp) looking for the revenge of his father who says the great "prepare to DIE!" line over and over. "as you wish " to the princess as the farm boy(now a pirate) is rolling down the hill from the same movie. I love that movie Also Johny Deb in his first pirate movie when he is in a major sword fight and promised he wouldnt switch hands and then did and says "pirate " . haha . remember that?

I didnt read it all just bits and pieces. I didnt like the sound of it. He should address the fact he will probably live but the cancer will waste the function . I think that is what really is bothering him . I think that is what he should write about. <_< cancer is not a gift from God, I do not believe that but I do know lingering long standing illness happened to Gods people and many were not "healed" imediately even with the apostles praying for them night and day.

Im thankful for pfal because I learned people can sometimes let you down , hurt or abuse you, but God never will. Im thankful for twi because I can study the bible and get answers to questions.

cool chef maybe you can ask Rascal , she seems to think everyone pov should be respected without false accusation , or critical analysis (see above post for the ONLY type of proof needed) say one thing yet post another much? At least I do not change the tune in mid stream and play with lies , the problem is you can not say all is respected here out of one side of your mouth then feel as tho your personaly attacked when another disagrees.. esp. when your the majority . unless you are, hah . and they say low income housing causes gang mentality I beg to differ.

yes indeed it is the world wide web . agreed.

Well as long as the greater thans give PERMISSION to the lesser thans , it will be ok. Just remember the all alegations are proven truth, in fact the more hysterical the better, more drama means more allies and that of course means proof in and of its own self! safety in numbers fallacy works best! The goal of saving the world from dead people must be of utmost priority! If betsy said it it is correct and truth and just as it all happend I was not there no one eles heard of it if you can type it It absolutely happend but not, untill no one could defend themself or chose to because it is so ridiculas that any logic refutes it . but do NOT use common sense or logic or most important truth ! this rule is to avoid DANGER of repeated multiple personal attacks until it gets sent to the soap opera thread.. where no one can see the evil of logic or just plain common sense. If that does not work just ignore the posters and start a new thread to give them permission to carry on within your territory which speaks volume on who is really in control of this board, and who gets to say what when and just how.

not jello gelatin it is a compound made for nails , says to strengthen nails on box, might be the same crap tho I do not know. big orange box in the nail section.

they used to say gelatin would help cracked nails. yeah the gelatin in the box. also a Beauty store has this stuff you put on cracked nails to stop them from going further. near the polish.

Im saying a vow with God is between God and the person. Not where they get a paycheck. Im saying twi took vows with God to be vows with the organization . sure anyone can be ordained anyone at all . But in twi it was assumed by many the clergy because they had been or are involved in an organization twi, they no longer made a vow TO GOD. I do not believe so I think if a person is called of God to make a vow to HIM , regardless of how you employer may think of you you still made a vow before God that must be addressed before the JOB. In denominations clergy leave for various reason , a bigger church a smaller church a different location etc. they do not lose the clergy title , it is taken with them as a vow made to God not to any particular location or group of people other than Who they feel they want to serve at the time. As far as marriage goes many think "grace" will cover for the fact they now chose to not continue in a vow made before God .. it is betwen the person and God again ... what is written is indeed quite serious about divorce , do I think people should be as careless as they seem to be regarding their spirtual obligations? short answer no.

I think you make some false accusations in your post, Rascal , I have not called anyone a "basket case" nor recommend meds , and Im not sulking by a long shot. Nor do I treat other posters as children and give demands . The way you write with the name dropping sometimes appears as if you want an us or them position ,the rating posters on how well you may like them or not appears to be in your vocabulary of making a group thinking defense or opinion once again. I do not understand it that is for sure.

Jesus lived in a time when the scripture was much less adulterated I believe. So it was not as tho he had the internet and the book stores full of how to be a christian like we do today. In general I think there was much Less confusion about chapter and verse.. they had the actual scrolls White Dove what we have today is far removed from those days of learning. I have heard this idea of Jesus being a man taking to extremes as well.. He had one thing no MAN had or will ever had.. A virgin mom and a Father that is GOD ! I would say his spiritual ears had a slight more perkynes than the average man . right? That is why he died so we could have the holyness he had from his natural birth! "born again" we could be born as HE was. the comforter was sent because of his life and death. so the Jews of His day had a definate disadvantage for learning or rather to say Jesus Christ did have an advantage He chose to take . he is the Saviour of mankind not an average jo made good by God. God went all arms for HIM , just as He does for all of His children today, But then(when Jesus was on the earth) the Holyness of a man realy was on many many conditions and God really did not open the doors for learning unless He wanted to. Today we have the ability to learn and discern truth and Error much more freely because of the grace Jesus brought. Our ability to Worship God was made available BY the death and rising of the LORD> before that it was much much differnt. It really was by what God or Satan directed very little mercy . I think Jesus made critical thinking skills skills he learned from being raised by devout parents in a religous home and by having the spirit in much more capacity than any other man ever had other than the first ADAM. but it was the very voice of God He heeded , and with the days of confusion and mass knowledge we have available today I believe that is what it takes today. the comforter comforts us in confusion and pain regarding spiritaul matters . not so much a "teaching". What it really came down to for me with Jesus is who He listened to .. and what God told him was not written it was still in the stars it was Jesus mircle of loving us that took HIM to the extreme . He had to believe He was the ONE the bible was talking about and it was indeed quite an ugly story of crucifying HIM. Jesus is special. None of us will ever be asked to believe a bible verse about our death rather we get the glory of eternal life. so I would not compare how we learn or what we read or study to HIs will in life for me Jesus was about love more than chapter and VERSE and what He learned about whether it was correct or not came down to HIM knowing He was to SUFFER horrible for the doing of it. He loves not ONLY God BUT US mankind people those God created, that was his motive all along not what the scrolls said. the scrools did not say Jesus Christ YOU are the one to be murdered God told HIM that . He took the learning form the scripture and placed it in his life and said uhoh and obeyed anyway.

oh thank you I met my above POST . Not link I was thinking it was connecting to what you said "linking " or as in close conection. I do nt think of "links" in the puter sense of "links" haha cause I do not know how to do it. I should be more aware and will use differnt wording now. I met the above post was closely related to what you had just said "linked".

I will try, it seems when Rascal says posters need to "EARN"respect that somehow approval of the group is paramount to having a disscussion worthy of posting on this site.

I do not know how to post links . I have never done it . Do I say I have a link somewhere? I might refer to the above "links" that are on the first page of Greasespots, with the drop down. to go to CES whcih will redirect you to spirit and truth web site. I cant find where I said I had a link It must be a miscommunication cause I fo not know how to do that . but I think I did say something about the lnk that is on the grease spot page.. show me if you can i will try to help.

That is a very good point Rascal Respect. God is no Respector of persons, most of us know the verse what does that mean? It means a person who is the piller of the community and own a major camp for children can be hailed as a giver and a lover of all that is good.. and yet still be charged with the crime of molesting those under his care . It means sometimes people live in a secret they will never say out loud because it will hurt their reputation , what people may think or more important what they want people to think. to give respect one has to know what it is , to have respect for yourself is the only way you can truly set up any type of kudos for anyone eles. If I do not respect how I feel what I believe is right, how I chose to live , then any wind or thought or ideal of anyone who I "respect" can rob me of my own respect. A person without self respect hears pain and attack in most every thing that does not make them feel better about who they are. like a leaky pot it needs constant approval and filling to feel ok . When one is strong and healthy thinking we can listen and hear and even see things we may strongly disagree with yet still have peace and alrightness with who we are and how we think. BUT This whole "group" ideal thinking is dangerous because if you respect them as your source of self respect then when they fail or make a mistake as all people do, it can, , damage YOU the one who has placed them in such a position in your own life. you volunteer to get hurt in a sense by dismissing your own respect for the respect of him/her. this is not love or giving or sharing it is a hurtful thing that robs one of self. the pain is more seering and hurtful so it is very easy to dismiss their error or wrongness in your life and accept them regardless of how you may really feel , what your needs may be, or how or what YOU respect. Your personal testimony speaks alot of this type of thinking. YOu deny you for the sake of the leader or the group. this is how a cult really is defined and it is all about how you think about your own self and the neediness and approval from a "respected' one and then the group as a whole that feeds your own needs of feeling of not being good enough without them. Healthy people do not feel personal attack when somone disagrees with them regardless of the size or mouthyness of the one who disagrees, but those who struggle with self respect take it very personal and feel every slight of thought that may differ from them threaten who they are and that is why they need to evoke the very core of the safety of the group to feel strong enough to handle it. respect when used as an emotion , or feeling as you describe it is not "earned" anymore than any other emotion it is just a feeling and just is . I often read your posts and hear you need the approval of how other people think as a validation for how you think or feel and if you do not get the jolt or need to be ok your very threatened and you attack them personaly and use your "pain " as a tool for evoking sympathy and its gets quite a bit all about your emotions. That makes for a difficult discussion .

My above link is related to your most recent input white dove. Leaving a organization like twi is easy enough , it is the dealing with the behaviours and attitudes and shame that you may carry for a life time, that is the tough work of healing and moving on with goodness and grace in life. I believe Greasespot may be place of "practice" of starting and living a new and differnt "way" of life where in one can read his/her own self and decide what it all may mean. Many here do recognize the trouble we have had in the real world adjusting , and sorting out truth from error, that is the beauty of it. Some just changed their chairs and stayed the same . some grow and some go away. Honesty is paramount in any type of positive change and TWI had a room full of Liars.. and those who worshiped them... some things will not change until people "get honest" and look to a differnt way to live other than the group and its approval. God does indeed still love us all.

When people get married they make a vow before God. When people get ordained they also make a vow before God. When yourmarried you begin to have more responsibility in the marriage , family bills etc.. a shared life. some in twi married TWI, and everything eles was second or nothing at all . Well that is a personal choice I think between the vows one made with God and the person. It is not wrong In my opinion to put a marriage vow before a "job". if God ordained these guys for service with Jesus , Jesus can travel to an new organization , ya know. but Divorce is a different story in the bible altogether. Both John Lynn and John S. got divorced when they left soo what does that say? about what you claim LCM said?

I used to see this . In the off shoots and in churches . The I took home the fact I can not change anyone but me, and I began to see me differently . I got rid of the shame some of the past has instilled in me . a sinner for some means your not good enough .. and it stuck, within me like a shame base church would teach. Now when I meet peopel IM convinced Im as good as they are , IM just convinced. I have no shame in my life. do I make mistakes? sure but God says everyone does and has and will. Everyone. so since IM the only one I can be I look at myself and I like me! so I assume everyone eles must as well.. and if they do not I ask them why what is the issue. and then I confront the issue, and hold respect for me and the other person and work out the differnces of the problem. I do not engage in battles of the flesh because I really believe God loves each of us . Academia or knowledge is a frustrating thing , many in Spirit and Truth such as Mark and John and JOHN really do have a lot of bibcal answers. they have spent a life time learning what this is or isnt according to the bible, they are confident and really should be . Sometimes people with less confidence feel "put down" or less than when talking to them . That is not their problem It is the one who is feeling less than. how do ya fix this, by being confident myself by knowing Im a good and worthy person with maybe a question about a topic they know much about. I do not think they get big heads knowing what they know. it is a tough job to teach people . A bottom line they are better at knowing what the bible may say. But I do not take that as I am less rather it is an honor to be part of what Christ wants us to be a body a family a loving connection to one another who need and cares for one another. but it has to come from your own inside these "feelings" I can not tell you to feel good about who you are . most who feel less than about themself will call other names or accuse them of being arrogant or stuck up or elite.

I have zero agenda out this is a nice forum. Unlike the twi fashion it isnt just for the inner circle of those who want to call the shots for anothers life and/or bully another into complice with the staus norm. thank God.

Allan It is part of the group think mentality and the co-dependence that twi fed into. Being a christian to me means having a relationship with Jesus Christ and loving His body of those who believe he is Lord and being kiind to mankind in generlal as Gods creation. In twi I believe folks set up a world to live in that didnt allow openess or trust to grow or become a part of your life. It is very difficult to live a full life while involved in twi , they took alot of time and resource and replaced real honest vision for your life and replaced it a group of people in the same game . some people as they have said came into the group with more needs and personal isues, these factors played into and how they reacted to twi and got involved and or hurt. some of these same issues play into people today and may forever be the need they are searching to fill. a family, true love, and even a God like feeling of worship in their at one time was filled by twi.. and they left for what ever reason, and still search and have found some of the same type of relationships here. It is a real need amoung humanity to be accepted and loved and understood. sure it is dysfunction and not something folks able to have those needs met in life in typical fashion can understand. But as you read the posts you will read the urgency the true searching and need and then you will understand for some they do not know how and this is it and of course if it is the only connection you have and it feels like a loving relationship most would fight to protect and keep it . twi really instilled a fear of those not involved(unbelievers)for people with co-dependcy issues , taught in child hood these types of relationships learned are very serious and loving and loyal . if you look at GS it can be a haven for co-dependacy and those are issues in life one must address outside of twi and its issues ... yes twi fed into the pattern of abuse , but the dysfunction is a life long search to feel a part of something . As long as the need is fed some will not seek any farther in life.

great and he is shiny to all that red and yellow what contrast ! I think he is real to ! wow thanks