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I agree with bell I was involved then.. but only because of proxy. I truly didnt care what a dam one of any of them thought anymore I went to love those I could. it was so very very diffeerent from when I was in love with the way. I can not understand why anyone would have gotten involved then. the fear was so bad for "them". I saw it alot. many were on the verge of leaving, or like me pulling people out with thereality of life. I never complied , with leadership, (in the 90's) (I thought they were miricles in the 80's) I went when I wanted how I wanted and would refuse to even open my bible at times. just stare at them. i talked crap I said my piece. alot and I was right this whole area fell apart either kicked out or left. including corps sent here to fix things. the contrast was absolutely amazing. why did I well I had gotten so many involved I wanted to talk to them about what was going on and many cut me off unless I would go. I went but my agenda was not to serve or even feel sorry for them. which is the most ironic part of the two decades. in the 80's we had the power! in the 90 everyone wanted pity. (the devil theory was so out of control) both were illusions.

Unless youwere involved and liked twi at the time I really really do not think you can understand how bad it was. at least in new york , I believe other areas had more of a cover thing and information was not disclosed but here !!! it was just incredible . a number of LC 's had found issues with LCM remeber this was BEFORE the lawsuits. that must be hard for some of you to imagine but their was trouble almost from the day vpw died .. or even before geers freak show. many just didnt want LCM as their leader .. and they generated tapes some while still working for the way.. it is true. I have some. and let me say this I was loyal to twi at the time but those who had a mission were serious . Johnny sounds like it was incredible that LCM would accuse of the ministry of INFILTRATION truth is he was right. absolutely right. but not every had ears to hear. I know some of you do not get the political mess twi got in and it was political. we were suppose to be family well DIVORCE was in the works big time. I never listend to the tapes although I still have them ( is that not a STRANGE WEIRD THING?) HOW MANY YEARS NOW? it was pick and chose who got these tapes, I got them because frankly I was one of the oldest Memebrs in my town. and I was loved by many. well it changed for many of us then. sides were drawn secrets were kept and the inner war and I personaly believe it was personal against LCM with some of the older clergy just not willing to listen to a darn thing he had to say about anything. Mrs weirwille stood with LCM , but the others had power , and say so and many followers of their own. it was the very beginning of the end. truly you had to be there and amoung those with ears to hear to believe some of the stuff that was happening WITHIN twi to get out of twi.. I know it may be hard to believe for the 90's crowd who got so controlled and dictated but before all that began we really were much more trusting and loving of one another and the reason it got so very bad for your age of follwers was because of what we did as far as causing divsion and making accusation and excuse me just free speech with no one to shut us up. it was NOT just LCM who was power hungry . after vpw died it was like an open range of who had the power and say so games. the problem was none of them agreed for very long, and hence we have the splits and the off shoots and the law suits etc. if you do not get what IM saying I understand it was a very strange weird time and areas and states did not all experience the same thing . some just floated all the way through unaware of what was in the works and what the fall out could be. new york was insane.

I have not read alll of the posts but this is "me" . that is the title of her book about her life. she has recently died I think anyone know? katherine Hepburn. I do not care if she is dead she can still play me anytime she wants. well if she is dead , then I am writing about her "essence" when she was alive. just in case . .

At the roa in either 86 or 87 they had tight security. the rock was huge back then many many people. I was wondering around the woods , and I was stopped and told to go back , I was not near the big house more near the little cabins , they did have guests in them , the security said they were mostly from other countries. we could not walk in there at night. well I couldnt . I understood it to be a matter of privacy more than anything, but many guards where in place all around the woods and cabins. I couldnt even get in the then "new" auditorium it was full . we watched on tv in the big tent. my god I was a cult head. I have changed .

We had a guy in prison for rape many rapes on children. he beged and pleaded with the state of new to cut his part off for good. he said he will certainly do it again and again . the civil liberals fought him like a dog and stopped any such action from taking place , WHY? they said the state had no say in such , as it was not a medical problem. they won . the guy wanted surgery to prevent it from ever ever happening again and the state said he had no right to have an uneeded surgery . they can not or will not be put on medicine or have surgery in NY , it is against the law .

what I would like to see is a way to identify them clearly without mistake. Like a massive tattoo on their face or something. and I would like them tracked and a clear list of where they live in every town with open easy viewing for every single person. I think we should render them completly and totaly unable to enjoy any type of sex act for the rest of their life. ( cut them or it off ) I would like sever prosecution for those who aid and help them. any parent who allows them around their children without the courts approval and restrictions would also be prosecuted. and lose their children. that would make parents think about who they are leaving the kids with, or around. I think killing them outright would not stop it , this is a behaviour we do not understand fully why or who will engage. not all victims abuse and not all abusers have been abused . killing them off would not stop it altogether. and it could lessen the reporting of it . just like the act of murder I think this crime comes in degrees and should be treated as such and yes some should die .

my kids are in their twenties and some of them by far out wit me by decades with wisdom and vision for their life. of course I am their mom. but seriously I do think this is very telling on just why got burned so much the worse by twi and others did not. why the experience varies the manner it does. esp. in the eighties. I believe it was a many facet problem, the growth was big in numbers of people vey fast and the sell was great so along came a large percent of young unprepared people who invited their friends and family who also had issues in life and it began a mess a solid mess . no on realized many of the troubles some of these people had and even if they did it was assumed God would instantly heal everything anyways so no matter. it mattered . many were very troubled and the push was so strong , for pfal to succeed . honesty about a individual issues in life went straight out the window. many kept secrets just to have family and friends protected. many were idealistic or afraid to bring up problems. if your not a grad of the advanced class of your not way corps if you never went wow you know it was a game and you just got out ranked and pushed around.

That last paragraph it the absolute TRUTH!!! take the focus off you have the most needy desperate out of control fellowship coordinators you could! like any good addict or serious co-dependant take the focus off you and surround yourself with as much drama as possible. it works .

a child who is molested often has problems with sex in their own life Bow tie, they end up having sex very young and with just about anyone.. no boudaries where taught or kept for them. ophra speaks of this often. the fact it is "dirty little old men" isnt true the persucuters often begin their own illness at a very young age on even younger victims. and it is often dismissed by parents as harmless .. no one wants to think it could be worse... I was watching tv, about a girl who was molested and she then in turn told other kids to molest other kids and forced them to comply with her wishes. of course she was on tv I doubt she would be stupid enough to admit actual molestation! on tv . but she said that is what she did with her feeling and anger. for a time of course now she is welll. should she be shot? she was also a victim of this crime and turned others into victims. is it easier because she is a girl in your thoughts? why? bow tie my answer is no. I do not think they should be killed.

yeah me to cool waters. Im glad. but I at times when I first got involved bought the spew about I was inable to understand the higher mightier more Godly spiritual things "they" knew. they were special for a while.. till I saw how miserable real life was for them.

you know I told one of my sons the same thing the other day, it freaked him out. lol it did . I think I would to, but it really isnt that easy you know, they still have families and they still have a place in our society, it is often still considered mental illness or a family issue. and left in family court. . love is involved and the rights of the child to have parents and the parents with the child. As far as these freaks on the internet oh my god a "streaming video of a small child being molested live" on the internet. have mercy have mercy , I tell ya I am getting red fists to. I really belief this problem is alot more common than most of us will ever ever know, it has a power base from somewhere and honestly I do nt think it is all just men involved. it is sick . Have any of you heard of false accusation? it does happen . a bitter break-up custody issues.. men have to be careful as well, I told my son about insane women who have so much anger in from their own abuse they get twisted in their mind. Remember that day care in the 80's where every single employee was arrested and convicted of molestation? and in jail for many many years.. fantastic stories of how five year old woul be on airplane when they were molested (while in daycare???) it went through at the time. they were convicted 6 women and about 4 males. then as the kids got older and away from those pressuring them to compy they rcanted and said NONE of it ever happened. they just wanted to make their mommys and daddys happy and for the ??? to stop!!! the charges where dropped after they had many years in prison for crimes they never did. If my son was accused I would LOOK into the story and then decide how I would procede I would not neccesarily believe every lunitic accuser in the world. false accusation does happen as well. so shoot them to?

most molesters do not “attack” they groom with shame and guilt over a period of time. the sensational news story of a rape of a minor always hits the fornt page news. Most abuse just does not happen in this manner it is often a family memeber or close friend of the family or a leader in the community at large in which you belong. Most do not get caught, many more do not get reported to the authorites for any type of criminal conviction. Why? because of the shame and denial so many do not want to deal with. What will the jones think if you acuse some one so beloved of such a thing, so the child stays silent and the adult just cant notice what is happening under their own eyes. As far as my daughter oh yes she was nasty she was loud and she was allowed to have voice even if those in charge (all adults to a child) disagreed. no it was not our business why the other child wore a diaper what is her business is she told him not to play with her and he refused to respect her choice. so she bit. WAS it ok to bite no. Is it ok to disrespect your own mind and thoughts and what you need to to feel ok and safe? A even louder NO! I refused to teach my kids tolerance. If they do not want to play with a person who smells and it makes them sick I will hear their vioce before I concede the day care most know what they are doing . compasion or empathy is not tolerance. She ended up going to a much nicer day care in which respect was the norm . for everyone and the diaper issue which is an issue when one is being potty trained(do not know how many you have trained but it is HUGE for daycare) My children were allowed to dislike who I loved. My children had loud vioces and they still do as grown people and all are in leader positions in their schools and work. . many victims are not heard, because the adults in their life cant hear what they are saying... it is to painful to think your own brother may have sexual touched your daughter so you do not hear it. or your father or your best friend or your sexy new boyfriends. and your wrong about it being sexual.. The ILLUSION of this is people think they look like some creepy guy hanging out on the corner in black clothes who never even had a girlfriend. no they are often pillars of the community often in high positions of authority with children as their professional focus. WE just had four DRs for children arested here. they have children of their own and families that hold them in regard and esteem. they have sex with their wifes and live a very perfect life beyond question. teachers, pastors, family members who are loved. ARE you still ready willing to pull the trigger to KILL them all? That is why it is so very difficult to report them for a child . or even the adults involved who may realize something is not right but wish the thought away quickly with the pretige of who they are in their life. thye must be wrong everyone loves them . so they stay silent. It is a family disease, ever wonder why some do get molested but some never will be abused? it is in the power of the voice and those who love them enough to hear it. even if you do not believe it your own self about a person YOU LOVE. can you still hear the child ? really ? how about the fight and the shame of all those you care about who think you should not hear it? hmm? you want someone to kill your dad , your brother , your husband or your boyfriend ? yeah when it is a total stranger it is easy to say kill them all , but that isnt how this crime works it is those who betray your genuine love and trust who do this type of behaviour, She was allowed to have a voice and if they (all adults) wouldnt listen it was ok to do anything she needed to do to respect her own self first , I said FIRST beyond me beyond who is who . I taught my kids to take on ownership of their bodies and their emotions, they belong to them and them only and they would never ever be invalid. ever . and speak it loud and clear so the whole world KNOWS it. . and Im glad I did . they are all wonderful people with many wonderful friends and jobs and families. they are not victims.

In the 90's my life was absolutly fantastic! all the kids were home getting old enough to find their own visions in life and fun! I had a great job and was in college full time and a wonderful town house that was beautiful. I saw my fellowship coordinators and BL Suffer and I mean in MISERY most of the time. They still had small kids had to relocate and lose jobs and of course thought God would instantly provide an imediate new job that would cater to all the twi schedule , when it didnt happen and they ended up working at a fast food joint they got discouraged. and more and more in poverty. but saving to go to another "advance class" car in shambles always begging believers to abbysit or ride them some where.. very very needy and these where my LEADERS!!! It was all the devils faught tho you know.. the corps did have it worse my God I have aksed why would anyone compromise in the manner they did then? and of course always keep up appearances. I had learned to say NO and mean and do it without guilt. so many did not have the courage to say NO and they were desperate.. and I often said I was sorry and I was but I was not going to join them either... you know I did back stab a "leader" back then by telling a friend NOT to babysit for free anymore, and I felt soo guilty . today I would not but I did then. Guess what way freak dismissed me like yesterdays old garbage, when I left or just stop going so much and the other just plain old "believer " and I am still dear friends. Like an eagle it WAS insane the hoops and riducalas guilt and needs they demanded. and unneccesary.... I would ask them why ? and they would huff and puff like the world would end if I didnt. but here is what gave me strengthe to move on completely The arrogance the high and mighty attitude the self righteous ness the attitude of the fellwship coordiantor with the broken down of crap car, rented house kids out of control and a minimum wage job. they thought God loved them more , they really believed they were better than the rest of the world on some different dimension of reality a higher and better spiritual plane of discernment you know saving the world of all the world!!! it was like they were buying Gods favor with the tasks the way gave them . I honestly believe they believed that. if they did not comply life would end. but their life so sucked from appearances anyway and their needs were so great , and I never complied hardly ever I would help if I could but I had a very happy blessed life and did my own thing. selfish ? you bet!!! better to do for my own than for them I figured. I knew they would drop me in a moment if somone "better" or had taken more classes than me said to. I was right. it was a bible class I kept a perspective always did .. they thought they were fairys wondering the earth with magic potions to fix everything . except their own life. you know how they say addicted folks have to hit rock bottom? no crap. they did and then some over and over. it was NOT fun to watch it was pathetic , but me and Jesus went along for the ride and I helped where I could and never never let them get me to the point where I "JOINED" the mess. it was a bible class people do not swell your head. hello. I was marked and avoided and I still went back like I gave a rats foot what people thought of me right? no. no shame no fear , just me and the LORD. I took many out in the 90's and went back for more.. In the eighties I brought many in .. it was strange for me as well . &$*# and gigles was the way for me... still is. yeah the way sure changed and I sure changed but I have to tell ya LIKE AN EAGLE God never ever did.

I had a very very pretty little girl . she is a beauty , and I worried alot because theywalked to school and she had brothers, and we always had people around. I worked and had things to do I know it was so possible . she is grown now , I can finaly say this.. I told her to bite .. with every tooth she had if she was upset. and to scream scram a blood curdle scream like you just got hit by a train. bad mommy I am babd bad bad. She is still very very pretty and she is tiny and the whole darn neighborhood is afriad of her she is loud and mean when she needs to be. she has always lead in her class and is now a manager at a small business. so sorry if this does not fit in with your PC world of justice for all after the fact, the solution that worked for us was teach them to bite and bite hard as very young children.. and allow them to scream practice those lungs just in case! yeah we did have one incident in which we werre asked to leave a day care.. she had biten and I asked her why she was angry that the other kid had to wear diapers and he smelled like poop and she was so potty trained and it was making her sick (she had a very weak stomach always has have) and he wanted to play with her , she said "NO" but he would not leave it had made her angry. so she bit him. yeah well everyone knows when your three your supppose to go in the potty man she was just doing the right thing he was the jerk you know, (still wore diapers) eew. so we talked about that and how the situation might have been handled a different way.. and found a day care that loved her very much and learned not to press her buttons and evryone in the room was potty trained . worked for us. I love her so much. nasty little girl she is.

oh wow ! Im sorry I was not there at the meeting. but this thread so far has given me a light bulb . s changed so sever, I up to that point really bought and sold everthing the clergy would say I respected corps and I thought we had a "family" of God thing going on. Then it started and I said the same stuff your post have said... and questioned. many may think it was all about some leaving and starting their own thing . It was not I had stayed nearly every single twig fellow ship was gone if held it turned into secret thing spoke of in wispers. for only certain few. why I was told because those who had left would go to the meetings and cause huge ruckus and disturbance . I never saw this but I saw many with alot of anger who would confront me on the street or in public about what happened etc. I think many clergy had doubts at this point but could not just not go to twi anymore they were caged into the life they had for awhile . I have walked for so many years with an extra once of suspicsion yu know and I got it from the way, my parents are very loving trusting souls who do not question authority, BUT ME i doubt alot and wonder in the quiet of my mind alot. I was speaking to clergy then and a certain leader had gotten into serious trouble by my hand, I was heart broken as to why this would happen .. you know thinking we all had a magic potion of God almighty within us and incapable of such behaviour. He said and this was a LC not a twig or a BC and his entire family was clergy.. mom and dad huge twi people, the devil wants them more. you know like the more you do for "god" the more satan will kill steal and destroy... your life and /or anyone around you. COME ON |! is that not absolutely frightening? so be your best for God , so Satan can assult you to the point you are insane really. just think about , the theory of that. I know I did . still do. the off shoots run off on the same stuff as an excuse when things do not work out well for them. the more you do for God the more Satan and his spirits and the devil will play with your life . kind of made me want to hang out with unbelievers I tell ya... it did ! and that was the arena mostly everyone who was who is who in the way clergy included looked at the folks involved with a eye of critical assesment of where they most be spiritualy. love was out of the question then it was all about something eles. yeha insanity is a good word. no brother or sister left it was like an inside war man it was all about the devil or not it was INTENSE I tell ya.

I feel the same way Socks that is why I can maintain friendships with those who still chose to be involved although i disagree with them and they me on what God wants. that hurts. but love is first. I learned a very very difficult lesson while in twi, a life long lesson and a very sad one. today I sometimes wonder what if.. but I can not look at the fence and say it must have beem greener either. life is what it is. I learned HUGE wisdom in twi, not because of the bible class, but the leaving of it all. and how that happened and the people I dealt with and how they thought.( that is why I enjoy greaspot it amazes me how people think about it. ) that was and forever will be life changing. for the good and bad of it I changed. so completly that I have no idea what life would have been and no sense in beating my head in trying to figure it out. misfortune happens in life, to everyone. everyone. without exception. I have many thank full feeling towards twi. but I would not get involved in many many ideals, orgainzations, and straight up sales pitches any more, I am not stupid concerning so much now. I think it is easier being stupid .

I think that went both ways, all the leaders had followers , OH boy and did they want to help them as well! the clergy had zero privacy, everyone knew their business as well and I felt sorry for them . It just got worse I saw moms in the 90 who would not go to take their child to the dr. unless another "believer" went with them. honestly it was straight paranonia of living for some . it broke down everyones self.

this is one of the posts I read from you in which I assumed you have regrets. Also the posts in which they told you you could not return to school and you complied prefering the tasks of twi in stead of your own goals and family and dreams. that is why I ask and I am being sincere . to have hind sight is one thing.. now . but I read while you where in you had serious doubts aand were unhappy with your life while in the corps for a long while , yet you continued. You were not the only I saw many miserable corps unhappy bitter and just plain mean because of the toll it took on their life. We all believed in the ministry.. some did suffer and do and volunteer and paid a price for it even more foolishly and scream louder on greasspot now I wonder what the hook was for you not to just get involved but to live a compromised life. again Im not speaking of doctrinal issues , where a person just doesnt want to think in the manner twi taught anymore. I understood twi was for twi most organization are, come on it was making a ton of money and people really believed they had the run of the whole world!! lol but true . but why would an indivdual compromise all that was dear to them for twi? I believed in the minstry I never went corps what made the difference for you? did you think it would get better, you could change things ? many did and just kept on going untill the illusion couldnt work for you any longer? that is why many left. Some did have the need to go into the corps and do all that you are sorry for now , I just would like to know what the sell was for you.

A little side note here. I truly believe the way corps I was with and around and hung with cared about people. I believe they loved god with their whole heart and soul.. and they thought they were doing a good thing. yes they did get beat up alot and I often believed it was uncalled for.. but I am not was not "corps" so who was I to say what they should have or not have put up with in life. As I never made that choice. the choice was theirs. many were miserable that was so clear in the 90's , and I got more confused on why they would allow their life to turn into such unhappiness and often wreckage because twi said they had to. the corps I knew KNEW twi and that it had problems many had been in many many years and seen many leave to never come back , they knew the bad and still felt it was worth it. I think some stayed to try to change things the best they could, that went around for a few years. but it didnt work. why in hell would a person compromise their own dreams and the family to do it? the whole time I just kept telling them God loves you more than twi ever will or could. God wants you happy. that is what I believe to this day. I never felt way corps where "more powerful" or more loved by God, or even clergy for that matter. I know God is no respector of people or what they do and loves us all the same. was the mighty rewards? never bought into that side show either.

Ex 10 I read in your post you would experience "grief" if you didnt comply with what the way asked you to do as volunteers in the way corps. I read it , and I saw it plenty.. for many years and as the years went on it just got worse and worse for them. with the added "grief " fo losing so many friends and often family members along the way who choose to leave the orgainzation. I saw so many many go into the way coprs and drop out and again some several times for the same reason or new and improved ones, yet they always could go back and try again come up with some more money and put themselfes through it all over again. many many single moms went through family corps here. so they got the "grief" you spoke of but they were NOT asked to leave the way. so you went through the way corps and got "grief". Why? WHY? did you not just say 'EXcuse me time for me to do this carry on with my own dreams and life and take some down time on your volunteer job time. I know corps who did not just go where they were assigned they went where they wanted to be close to family memebers I know corps who divorced corps and married clergy I had seen it all. it was a who is who game as I said. so it was done. alot at least in the eighties, in the ninties it was a horse of a different color and those poor poor souls had a beating for sure. whydid you personaly do it EVEN when you knew it was wrong for you? o the grief the grief the way corps took being leaders in the way beat all , so being "active" was no picnic either. it was your choice? why did you chose to endure? the whole time just wishing it would change for you? I didnt understand why they took the abuse then and /or why they stayed nor do I now. One note : tho if it about you changing your ideals about what twi was that is different you changed your belief system and now see things differently than then. that is a clear cut answer YOU changed your mind. like those who bought the whole body mind and spirit routine and having abortions and now claiming to be pro-life.. twi was never pro-life they still are not, in that case a person feels more enlightened or educated about the situation and makes a different choice. twi never changed or did any double talk on that . i NOT that ! not the things you feel twi did wrong and have changed your mind about.. you liked twi you chose to go into the corps , it was not making your day , why did you stay? you say your full of regret, and you had felt that way while still doing things you didnt want to do with your life, but the fear of this "grief" made you stay. it sounds like you were unhappy living the manner you were living but unable to make the choice to live another manner and reach for your dreams out of fear of what the others thought of you. is that the case? I know peopel stayed to keep their marriages together etc. which is pathetic but a personal choice to be made by the individual. but you have the answer Im looking for , please do share. If you didnt like the direction your life was going why did you feel unable to change it? and if you couldnt who could? twi permisssion or approval was needed by you to move forward to serve God and His people? I do not get that never will. I think twi chose twi over individuals as I said before but why would individuals chose twi over their own selff? that I never understood. still do not. care to educate me?

Rascal please do not make another thread about me and personal. all im saying is not everyone had the need to go into the corps and felt it was the only way to be apart of what TWI offered . those who did , I believe compromised a great deal, on that we agree. the motive is one only they can know. but it was not just to to "serve God" as those who did not join in the corps program where also SERVING GOD. It was to find honor in the twi ranks. yes there was a type of competitition on who is who in twi , common in any organziation with titles and position or education. who bought into it and or how far was their own choice . Some of us did not and never really felt the pressure to do so. It was not the end of belonging to the way in fact I found those who stayed in a particular area raised the families , had business , paid taxes etc.. enjoyed life were the sweetest people I met., while in twi. I just do not buy into the fact the people who went into the corps did not know what it meant how it was, I saw many many people go in and out repeatly.. way corps was SOLD as a means to SERVE God, often by way corpes people to those they felt should go into it,. those who "served" them well . those who wanted to get involved ususaly had many friends involved or family members and by no means where they ignorant of the comminment. in my town they(corps) were the most needy often asking people l to do this for them or that... and those who wanted to get into corps where the ones doing for them constantly. how could they then plead ignorance on what it meant once involved?

Some folks are so bitter and angry over the fact twi got sued because LCM comminted adultery . Some just sit and stew in bitterness and rage and want vengence on all that went wrong with their life because of twi. I do not think twi feels this way. I really do not, it is just a butch of christian folks trying to hold forth a worship and a church meeting (or whatever they are called these days) whether people on grease spot want to believe it or not the war is not raging on for most. twi is the same it has always been . with less people maybe. no they do not need to address your problems with what went wrong. and they do not have to. Im glad it is still going strong in new knoxville and I do wish them the best. God be glorified within the prayers and love of those who serve and love Jesus Christ. I am not going to a service, Im now paranid of "services" because of my involvement in twi. ironic isnt it? I have had several oppurtunities to "go back" and I have been marked and avoided . they do not hold grudges against all that happened in fact they really do not want to talk about the "past" alot lol . lets just hope it gets beter and better. lol

What yous say is very true Rascal. I saw good people do horrid compromise, kids , marriages , school , family . But Rascal I saw folks leave and go back alot and I mean alot. most had no money and where not very successful in life in general. I lived in an upper middle class to high income town and let me say those who had business that made alot of money, those who had careers and 6 figure incomes and 400, 00 dollar homes did not even consdier the "way corps" program. they ran classes in their homes entertained clergy when they came to town but that type of service was not even metioned in "our " group. twi wanted our income more than our sweat I think. but I watched those who did try to fix their life with twi, we all did , while in twi, and sometimes I would sponor them , who do think paid for them to go in most of them where dirt poor and uneducated. it was not presented to everyone as a needed part of belonging. NO way. the pressure was applied within the individual, they wanted the status andneeded the approval and the safety fo belonging in the capacity the way corps program was sold to them. by no means did all of us buy into the idea as worthy of God breathed or even worth the time of day. it really seemed the peoplel most driven to get involved with that was the most needy of the group.. those the most lost in life looking for an anchor and a "home". and they paid a heavy price to find out it was a lie.

I honestly saw people go in and out of the corps program for YEARS! no money. child was ill. spouse was ill. One family put their child in a group home because she/he had special needs and then left the corps when the kid got molested in the group home while they were away. and they went back. I do not know what it would be to commint to anything like that . I really do not but I saw it . I saw people get divorced about going in or not. people wanted the coprs status. bad. and yes people did compromise everything and anything to be a part of it. but I got to tell ya I am glad I didnt and the only reason I did not is because of the pain and compromise I saw folks so "comminted" to twi doing to their life. so do not tell me they didnt know the cost they did and wanted it still. to have such a dream and such a drive to succeed and then have it be smoke and mirrors and nothing to write home about anymore is a bitter pill and a sad sad disappointment in life. but if they continued in the game it would not be like that , they would still be in the game.. doing what they wanted to do for twi. but then... so the bottom line is those who went into the corps wanted something really bad, a lifetime of service to twi , and now they do not have that status or whatever they thought they were getting. they do not even have a college degree. man I am so sorry for those people. it has very little to do with serving God those of us who didnt do all the compromise by going into the corps prgram also had the honor of "serving God" I just didnt want "more" when I saw the cost twi was asking.

you bet I make judgements. It was those who assumed they knew the minds and "hearts" of twi that paid the highest costs. in many many ways. I did as well but when the cost was to high I made a judgement for my life. WE all did / do at some point. The fact people thought twi was on some type of spiritual plane higher and mightier than reality itself WAS the bigest problem and I do know I trusted and I got hurt and others got hurt by my trusting. It is a bitter pill. but excuse the reasoning away all we want the fact remains if a person wnated to go into the way corps by the mid 80's anyways It was sold as special and elite and powerful and people bought into the the idea, most knew it was what it was and they wanted it for their life. then life changed, twi changed reality struck. but the program did not in its focus . To assume any organization/job (any pledge or promise in life) will cater to an individual wishes is taking a risk, and sometimes you lose. It is and always has been a judgement call for the individual. Now did they help in making a"good choice" for YOUR life? no. Come on the focus of twi has always been and always will be twi. or it would not have suceeded in the manner it did. Most all of the folks I know that wanted to go into the corps KNEW that very very well. Twi didnt change that much it what was important to them and the comminment , it was individuals who rocked the boat with discontentment in their own position in the organization, and of course twi had the focus of "group" as opposed to individual . I judge myself worthy to be consdered Gods child instead of a slave to twi. that is exactly my point