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Shellon Find the poster (I think it is in that closet) then go to the picture of the elephant and get a small screw then go to the door and put the poster under it and put the screw in the key hole and unlock the door. you go into another room with a key pad and then another room with a c64 puter. I got the stick pin but now IM stuck and cant find anything eles or a way out.... any help? I need help

Want to know how I feel about would have could have should have or IF only??? I say FCK IT! why because it changes nothing. i have done the right thing all my life never played dirty took my responsibilitiies and paid my way and nevr messed up. and i see everydy somone who had 1000,00 in lotery .... it away on booze and drugs in less than a year and i see bad bad people who have hurt others have alot going for them in my eyes. but I look at me and I got nothing and I have been used and abused and I have been a fool and i have been hurt. I do not deserve it. then one day I said who does really? is that at all God will? that we get to play out justice today in our time? that we get to see the wrongs given justice ? do our good deed need to be rewarded? today??? well here is the thing as Righteous as God is we would ALL be toast burnt alive . and the rewards are coming I believe that. so i keep going on moving up the staircase of life and I do not judge. I see amazing grace today adn i try to abide within it. not because Im in NEED of it because everyone is . and i know that it is everyone. so today i can have alot of choices.. yesterday or the ability to change it of it isnt one of the choices. we can have alot of wishful thinking about the past to. it iis what it is. even without twi.. or that car accident or the drug abuse the list is endless... how different would it have been? are you abosolutely sure of that? what eles could have should have or might have happened? see? so the magic thinking your involved in now of what could have been is no more than a fairy tale really. it is what it is. today is the only difference you can make for tommorrow. but then something might happen ...... and what happened today will seem a total waste of your life. when we know better we do better.

I do believe we need to have loss . lose all to Christ. many examples of laying down all to follow HIM. it is a real loss and it is real pain. What may help you is to figure out exactly what it is your missing. Is it the daily routine of going to a fellowship and study the bible verses? Is it friendship|? Is having a goal and mission that is now gone. Is it the fact you feel betrayed and cant trust a new chance to do anything eles? Is it fear you do not trust you know how? You a thinker pipes . Now is the time to think. and write and figure out what is bothering you. You can fill it up again Jesus will help you. Trust HIM to know what you truly love in life He is your friend and will always care for you. change is just change and change always involves losing some type of thought process or relationship or routine of what life was. to reach new higher places to find the sun you have move which means leaving where your at. and it is always a loss. that is life. and that is why we need a God.

Did you ever learn one darn thing from the experience because you out of many on this forum act just like so many did in twi. just run off anyone who does not understand. It is about loving one another . Bull it is about control and having it all be what you want it to be your way . you can be the queen trust me . how about believing that first hand testimony?

Emotions mean one would risk the pain of responsibility and accountability. so groups like twi just make it so emotions or attachments are ungoldy and wrong. In hospice or long term care medical training you will learn to not form attachemnts and to always check your emotions at the professional door . YOU KNW what?? most good dr. and nurses and others who work in the humanities of suffereing (and we all suffer) shun this approach because it just doesnt work. it is against human nature all together. but it is easier to not get involved to look at any situation with people as a job to be done and focus only on a goal of the procedure . which is how twi operates.. everything is a spiritual procedure and if it doesnt work no resposibility or acccountability is needed: it is not about people or how we feel. Bull .... Love is not like that. we are icky soft and we get hurt if we ever really want to live or love at all. or we are not we can just do the procedure follow the rules and read the instructions and never ever love or live at all.

Everyone is anonymous on greaspot Linda Z . I hope your idea is taken better than mine was. it doesnt sound that different to me. I was not forcing anyone to do anything I just thought if people do not want to relive as pawtucket says a little testimony of sorts written some where would help. well if you read this you might know what i had as an idea. no need to make me satan in the flesh at all . But then some here are not nice and think everyone eles must not be nice or have an idea of evil intent. Im not saying those who want to tell their story .. those who dare ask or question are the ones being accussed of evil intent.. you know again it is a double standard. But I find it ironic it the very ones who are so adamant on making sure the story is told seem to be the most vile towards any person asking of it. frankly I do not get that. that is the stitch why is it the players who do not claim to be victims being the meanest and trying to frighten away any inquiry ? how can one "force" anyone to do anything on a public forum anyways? they cant and the whole thing is it is NOT the victims who are being forced or pressered or told anything .. it is other people trying to shame a person for the asking . it isnt right. no not you ex..

I was so very thankful to get out of the situation I was because of my involvement with twi. I said that prayer If you get me out of this I will never deny you again God. he did and I have not. i have remanined thankful. good days and bad days. this happens to be a bad year altogether. the idea of a hope a life after this one is nice , i read alot about it and it sounds like a good deal for merely believing a man named Jesus christ did something for us and His Father God. like die without ever sinning. pretty big concept in that. but i do not sit here and think about who God will zap and how far for that little angry episode I might have had with them. I do think God is a loving God and only hope one day life can be all He promises . Twi was a competitive gang to me it , i got the feeling they were so in the game plan of being the only ones that they also got very angry and discontent with our first gift and that being the one of life. life was dismissed by twi. think about anything other than what they were thinking should be and well you were the enemy then. no wonder so many are still filled with such a lack of peace. i do not know what life is suppose to be i enjoy life, no one will ask me to write a book and plenty often want to agrue and strife. but I keep moving hoping that this moment in time could be worth the effect of all of humanity . and i do believe God is still in it.

my neighbor has a bird it is yellow and loud and when he works nights they put him in their driveway and he screams all day long at the outside free birds. I just couldnt live with a bird if they make so much noise... i think but i live with a cat that bites like a lion.. so we love our pets . I love you days are getting blurry for me now im on alot of meds for the pain and im all messed up from the surgery.. I remeber i had the turismo tho that was breakfast either today or yesterday. it was yummy. do you have a recipe i bought this at the store it was expensive.

yeah could be it is simple I have never "searched" or used the tools here. But it seems to me the threads are very long and often full of stuff that makes little sense like personal attacks and name calling so it was only an idea. tom just to satify you I did PM excath and i do not think she feels pressure from me to comply . she would certainly say so if she did I trust. I know she knows how I feel for her at least I have atempted to say so. ealier in the day of course. and no one is under any compulsion to say or do anything on this forum of course. it just seems the band wagon gets icky and Im not one to place blame but if the threads with the actual discussion s are anything like this one I would find it difficult to navitgate as a new person to greasspot. it was only an idea. man I really do not get the opposing side at all on this. Some sound as if this is very important news to them and why they continue to post on greas spot , so I thought it was a help not anything eles.

Well maybe those who know how to work this forum it is easy. But mostly it happens as a question by somone who wants to knw something and a thread like this begins and it is lengthy and side tracked and full of attacks personal and name calling. alot to find out an answwer to one question. I do not know how to "look up topics", if you do not know the names of those who discussed it what area would you go to and it is difficult. I think . you have alot of information tom strange and your familiar with the forum and its people . so for you it would be easy . a person who is not would have to ask a simple question like the person who began this thread .. and look how it went. looks like alot of garbage now and not much help for the question posed . a testimony would be simple and no one would get "hurt" .or have to repeat their story. Raf I do think it is common , doesnt make it right but it does happen alot im sure of it .

those chinchillas are a cute animal . this is a nice slow chat room . as a kid we had a house cat and a bird they got along so well never had a problem untill ten years later one day honest go God the cat just up and ate the bird and left her feathers on the floor for us to see! go figure . never can tell.

Dmiller is like a main stay at greaspot . Im glad you love it.

aaw that is nice you gave away your new dog to a friend who needs him more . Will you get another? a dog could not find a better home than you . a grey hound is a nice dog wafer not many In NYCity own them . because they make a fine pet for small apartments or a person who has little space. they do not like to excersize and require very little walking and play time. My friend takes in some that are retired from the track here he describes them as cats in a dogs body. He has 8 of them . I know I know many think a grey hound must need to run no they do not they are a lazy dog with little needs , esp if you get one retired out of the track they are really nice . and cute and they do not shed much. I always wanted one myself . you did a nice thing wafer not and the next dog that comes home with you will love you so much IM sure.

to me ex your alot more than what you say about your history with vpw. I would not put a label on you . to me your funny and kind and a poster who is fun in many ways and manners. maybe your saying you do not want to be labeled as the victim of abuse at greasspot . I understand that ex. I really do. and I do not think of you in such a manner , and I do understand how you may think others would. But it is important to you to let others know your truth. and you do end up having to get involved whether someone posts a link or whatever... in my thinking I just thought it would be eaiser to just reference that and not have to engage in the negative stuff for YOU . because you do add alot of nice ness and joy to greas spot. and that is how I think of you . not black or white. just a suggestin .

but EX if someone is writing and using your story as an example of sexual abuse by vpw. and the thread got crazy I think you would want to chime in like now in this thread. with a written testimony you wouldnt have to you could just reference the questions about your experience to that and not have to rehash it all over again. no one would have to defend or misquote or read anything to understand and you could answer question if you chose in a private PM or soemthing to those you wanted to. you wouldnt have to read it you know what it would say. and you wouldnt have to answer any querys . I would think it would be easier.

So what your saying is you feel a need to have a testimony.. it is important to you YET you do not want to reread and be held accoutable to what you wrote . yeah ok . cool waters to each their own . you would not have to reread your testimony or have to engage in any type of discusssion if it was just written down for all to see(and you feel it is something you want to share of course) you could ignore what you wrote and never read it again and not engage in threads that would be difficult for you to engage in. seems like a solution to your trouble with writing it and your need to share the story .

of course they do not. and frankly I do not blame them. but to feel as though it "should be told" as many do , it would be easier , than trying to sort through all what others may think or feel or chose, to say about their experience. I have often gotten the impression that those who want to write of their experience do so because they feel it should be told and feel strongly about warning others of the type of danger they felt hurt them. Many claim that is why they post on greaspot to warn others , or for those still involved or those thinking about getting involved. to educate to share what happened to them. What is this idea of "spoon fed" I thought it was a mission or the reason for some to post. why not make it as plain as possible and mostly for the one who is sharing so they do not have to rehash or be asked the same thing over and over.

how is writing and answering threads as they come up any easier? at least with it all written down a poster would not have to answer question or engage in a further discussion if the chose not to. catcup has done a nice thing with her testimonies and she is busy often away from posting for a length of time yet her story adds much to the mission of grease spot. Because of the types of threads these questions generate and how one another tends to react to them is the painful part I would think and when one doesnt have to engage and still get their testimony read i believe it would be a great service to grease spot, and allow them to not have to be a "scape goat" , your word not mine.

Cool water you do not have to use such drama. My thinking was it would make it easier for the victims, as they would be able to tell their story one time only.. and then not have to engage in any threads that would be difficult for them to speak on. their testimony would be writen down and they would not have to defend or explain it ever again. seems to me that would be eaiser for those who want to know what these testimonies have to say, and for those who want to share it.

Tom I believe the point of the scripture you use as examples was to confront the person to effect change and to allow the church members know what was going on. I believe it was a teaching about how to deal with issues within the church. I think it applies to the church today as well. the difference is no one can confront vpw now nor can any confrontation effect change or speak knowledge of an incident , why because frankly the man is dead, and no one can go to the meeting even with two or three witness and speak of anything. a vital part of those instructions is the fact the one being accused is involved in the procedure. I believe the point was to allow problems to be dealt with without gossip or any question of what was being said about another. it can not be done now people can accuse all they want But it is not going to be done from a point of reference of that scripture as he is dead. Ex says in her post she told her wow sister and the behaviour was taken as normal for a MOG or to that reasoning.. I also saw much put off that was wrong and hurt people ,cover ups and lies and accusation was common. so at that point the church was not functioning at bible stnadards, and I often doubt twi ever did hold to bible standards of accountability . twi did not deal with situation in a biblical manner, many times, they claimed they did but warped verses to meet their own agendas. I think like and eagle is right this should be front page news. Maybe it would help those who feel they need to share their accounts of being victimized by writng a report of sorts and compliling a record and then it can be easily linked to as their own first hand testimony. then these ugly threads of who is who and who isnt would not have any question of :what happened to individuals., and what they themselves have to say about it. It would not have to be "rehashed at all." you could just go to the article or testimony and read it first hand from the victim . I do not think any poster should write about anything they do not chose to but frankly these posters have spoken at Greaspot about their issue and it is alot easier to just write it one time for the record (like catcups stuff and her experience as a reference on the front page) that type of organization would make it easier to access the information that posters feel strongly about sharing, without the need for this she said he said and I feel and and I think and all the other controversy whenever these type of questions are asked.

i know i felt it was the greatest ego thing to work for God and you know SAVE the entire world by taking the pfal class. honest to God I fell for the story bad . but now I do not think it is my job to save the world .. with anything.. Jesus christ already has and to HIM goes all the Glory for it.

I took cfs in 1984 it was a live class taught by the Branch leader. Some other speakers from the area as well . Not vpw and they did not show that movie I would have remembered that for sure . I think he was trying to be hip and cool and get along with the "kids" and I think he thought way to much of himself and I think that movie had no reason in a christian or anyones life. he was possessed with the thought of people being possessed . but is that proof his idea of sexual boundaries are wrong or proof he had sex with his followers?

tom the bible verses you metion are saying go to the person you accuse and then with two or three witness.. vpw is dead been dead for a long while no one accused him while alive or if they have it was never been documented, unless something comes up on this thread . he can not deny or defend being dust now. your reference is out of context. the verses you use are talking about taking care of issues in the church with the other believers and how do address it face to face. The point being to AVOID FAlse accusation and cheap talk amoung the members about one another which was hurting the group as a whole. cant be done with vpw. his face is long gone by now . i do not believe those verses address dead people and what people may say about them at all.

sharing an experience is not "proof" . this is an open public forum in which anyone can write anything they want about anyone. and they do . whether a person believes what another poster may say is up to them . proof to me is alot more than what an internet forum may say about another person. every poster draws their own conclusion.. evidence that given facts everyone would agree on the conclusion, is how I define proof. such as the DNA on the blue dress. Many at greasespot conclude a posters account and their own personal relationship with them is enough proof for them to believe the accusations. because of this different process of how "proof" is defined , posters such as Rascals above post assume I may be calling these personal testimony a liar or saying they are being "blamed". I am not I am merely stating my defination of what 'proof" is different than their own. so I am also looking for "proof".. how one defines that would be up to the individual wouldnt it? Maybe you could define exactly what your looking for as "proof". being as he has been dead for several decades now and as far as I know never was charged or even accussed while alive I do suppose it would be a difficult thing to come to a absolute truth about. good luck eagle , Im glad you asked the question.

? maybe I should change my name . :blink: