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It was almost ten years that I did go back after I was marked and avoided. The Lord put me in it once again, and the victory was so real. I learned deep that God works with ordinary people. I was not shattered , I was not disappointed I learned to praise His almighty Love that lives and abides in each humble soul seeking a chance at knowing a better life now and all eternity withe Jesus as a Mighty christ that lives within . The burden and conflicts were gone, all I saw was people that god loved deply involved in a complex system that often hurt them. keep it simple is my only advice to anyone. God has my hairs numbered, why worry?

Imagination unrestricted by reality defines fantasy. Imagination- the ability to deal resourcefully with unusual problems. Reality is all of your experiences that determine how things appear to you. One reason I was involved was my youth in and of itself my experiences had been that bible class was a good thing for me. What I "fell for" was the chance at love. Now ask me if love is a fantasy or not and we can have another thread. A life time thread for me.

This is like the Personal prophecy that spirit and truth got into to. To me it dismisses Gods Power. I think I have grown in this area. or changed or something dam middle age but anyway.. I have seen the power of christ in folks and been assured within my own spirit that itwas a holy voice I was listening to but not considered it revelation. It is like their better and best idea .. wrong at its root the concpet is about controling another and being like God. The bible is revelation yet how much confusion arises out of what does that verse really mean etc... it can be confusing to me I can understand how one just says well they have known the Lord longer or taking the class more etc and just trust the wrong source. Many coming away from twi hadtrust issues for this reason and and many badly burned souls with real hurt hearts. God give revelation.. who can stop God even if Im not listening will he just give up? I remember the teaching about Mary being the mother of jesus and she was the only one willing to believe in the conception that god had to wait till she was willing to concieve Jesus christ... I do not believe it . But im not searching for the definite answer on how God works like twi did either I think it come to the trust and faith God aks us to live within. I believe God can make anything happen if it is good for his children. I think God knows His own as does the Lord even better as he lived and breathed as a man. I have made mistakes i have not listened and suffered and hurt others.... so has my own children. Such is the path of a life that needs forgivness. God cares about our spirit life and our soul life. But like us withour own grown children I make my own choices to walk my own call or path. revelation is NOT needed to live life. it isnt plently do just fine without it. Twi said it was needed to live I do not believe that. It is great to have and part of the wonder of God like beautiful nature . If i think God is telling me some fact I should know I know now to question to the nith degree why? Because God is all powerful and Im not. Satan can and does play hard in the areanan of life and is also aware of how I may think . deception and lies come easy to the god of this world. He can work in the same manner as the Power from on high. For me it is really the bible that makes the difference, If I know the bible says I should not or I should I cling to that fact first and far most and believe god will answer that. Not all is written and the Lord has metioned this to me plently of times but what is written and understood IS for me. it is all I got other than to trust in what man can say or do to me which is a lesser option. I am tempted on a daily bases by good christian folks to sway from what I believe to be truth and it is a difficult path at times. Seek the lord and all these things will be added unto you. It can befrightening at times to think I missed revelation and folks from twi got beat to death by this notion. Stop and know god is better than what we may think . I try to stay humble and love one another and pray a great deal to increase my trust in God.

yes amen and yes again and sadly it took from some the ability to recognize who can and will save us from that lost feeling in life the Lord Jesus christ, I just can not believe my Lord is as frail as any human is , the idea of "power from on HIGH to me is it is from ON HIGH not thatperson directing another or "leading them into anything. the source of comfort was gone and replaced with people spewing bible verses as bullets with the means to control another. that is not love that is not who Jesus christ is to me. but I say that is what twi sold.

this isnt about my boss really it is how wi related to people when good was never enough, so they will show us a better way. Twi had a system much the same the untouchables had the power of God supposly that we wanted to learn. Leaders in twi had power or knowledge of God, and could prove it with the class they took, who they fellowshipped with etc... How many folks in twi had families and real jobs and responsibilities yet continued to meet the exspectations of twi ON top of real life. real life was not not in the big picture, the focus was twi only. then when things happened when it wasnt possible to meet demand, what was wrong? not twi and its warped sense of how it should be done but the folks actualy striving to find Gods will in life. I think so many focused on how Twi programmed the idea of what was "best" that it actualy stopped the progress of goodness and turned many into stressful hateful people with the competition being within one another instead of with the Lord Jesus Christ .

yes socks. The idea of "christ in you the hope of glory" and the whole "As he is" ideals is the bedrock of how the pwoer of Christ was seen felt and heard in twi. YET One must consider the stages and awareness and vast diversity twi attracted within its people and the fact to "know self" can not be assumed amoung all in twi ranks. PFAL was instruction and like all instruction people learn at their own pace , I believe it did lead to folks being born again , but having holy spirit is NOT the cure fro the illness of mankind today. it is a comfort and a help only. people had/have luggage in life. we all have stuff to deal with and with Christ alive on throne I believe we all can be true to authenic self it is a process indeed life itself. I was 24 when I took pfal I am not 24 I think differently about life. Twi kind of over took the process of growing up fro some the process of becoming a self . twi replaced genuine reflection and thought with a preprocessed set of how we should be. and when it failed to lead many to the longing of their authenic self and real relationship with God many felt angry and betrayed. Not to metion those who bought the package hook line and sinker only to be told they were not good enough for it. So to start the process of growth whether within the confines of bible study and instruction or even life itself it was a challenge. and scary .

My boss will come in and show us all how it is done. It is perfect, no errors no possible complaints and he swells his chest and says often, " It not only has to be done it has to be done right!". yeah ok , he comes in and does it in four times the amount of time we are given to complete a task one time only . It isnt the same thing. I want to say to him , work under the pressure, work like YOUR JOB DEPENDED ON IT GETTING DONE TODAY . Now do it five days a week. I have to believe good enough is good enough to meet the dead lines, he doesnt . In twi everyone "knew the word" and the thng that killed me it was not about people it was "the word" and like my employer, that is well and good when you do not have the relationship with the people the love and concern God asks us to have for one another. Come on in throw some verses out there and say see your wrong Im right and call it a ministry of God people. I do not think so I think God invested in us loving one another before He wants the "word" used as a bullet to attack one another. Yes it has to be "done right" the word of god is the standard , but the higher law of loving one another from Jesus got erased with the pride and competittion of being the best or better.

bow I said one is unable to change another learned behaviour or how one thinks... indeed the peron her/his self can change or learn. co-dependents need victims to love. It is a learned behaviour. Bother as in stop life from moving forward Bow.

how we think varies , what we think varies this is exactly why we have judgement. Judgement varies as much as any individual would . a small child thinks it is ok to put his hand in a hot fire. Is he brain washed ? no he is ignorant of the danger . Gods children are also Ignorant of satan ability to hurt us. Hence we need A father to protect and a Lord to instruct us. I think the idea that human fraility as protrayed by science is anything new under the sun. A person who knows danger and makes the choice to ignore their own safety is common. We all do it to some degree every single day. it is a mistake. if your talking about a developmental disability which is what is detailed in your links well then that is why we have safety checks for those UNABLE to function as "normal" adults. my question to you Dot is why do you need to analize nonfunctioning people behaviours to understand your own self? I would say many in twi were functioning and in fact those who would not meet the mustard dismissed. the quality of life is a judgement isnt it? to each his own in life, If one wants an answer to why they have made the choices they made in Life SELF analysis is the topic for disclosure of truth .

Does a diagnosing and analizing another help you? I think twi had more than its fair share of c0-dependents, as society itself does. Yet how does telling or knowing what one thoughst on how another thinks help anyone? Noone can change another esp. a learned behaviour or "how one thinks". I think we should have diversity in our process of information and this in itself speaks to me of minstrys and the body working together. Typicly theses "issues" will not bother anyone until a situation occurs in which a answer is demanded to satisfy the outrage . It does not prove anything really . I also believe incorrect "judgement happens to every person granted some more than others and is often highlighted when a tragic effet occurs. It is very easy to hunt down somone to blame after a problem isnt it? Jesus forgave he didnt analize so much did he?

From the way you describe your organization the boundaries are well set and no one is gonna be asked to do more than any other. that being said I think people are afraid of" going the extra mile " because it turns into a hike from hell. If you know what I mean. Your saying it seems as it is just a few willing to do any extra work and most just want the minamal requirment to get the job done. well maybe it is because most know what it feels like to have to be overwhelmed and do not want it again to "be blamed" or take responsibility is often sadly the same thing . My boss is excellent. I will give you an example he wanted a certain area in our work to be better organized, we each have to order supplies every week , he took pictures of every area in which our "stuff" was organized, and then held a meeting in which a slide show was presented! Now does it matter anyone that this is gonna happen? a trivial part of the work week really . My boss gave me new shelves and evrything I needed to "make it happen". It is a wonder to behold! Guess who has to maintain it? guess who takes responsibility for it ? My patners now find they can complain if one little hair is out of place! When before it was a total wreck! so much for taking responsibility! because I am the one who began this "project" I am the one who has to maintain it !!! If I do not it goes back to the previous issues. No extra pay or time to do this nothing but the glory of it hmmm loses its appeal after awhile I tell ya! In fact they will complain if I get help even when I spend a half shift 'orgainizing the area! why does she get extra help? come on! I do not know if this kind of explains the why people do not want to step up and assume responsibility . Ever hear of the saying the more ya do the more they will want? I think most have experienced it. Also one has to be willing to make decisions and that means the possibility of failure and consequences OH NO better be the other guy that has done that ... something to talk about it . human nature. My boss has made lots of mistakes in his eadership and we suffer for it and heknows it he is the first to say well that turned into a diseaster. many we have to live with for a very long time. But I respect him more for the trying of new ideas and seeing what wont work than keeping the same old same old and complaining. he is willing to take the heat which most of my co-workers give with the finger wagging at him . most only want to live within their own confort zone.

That is the perfect title tricks with treats. Dot I think I know exactly what your speaking about. This man I know everyone calls "bible man" preacher etc. he often speaks of the hope of the return and God etc. he is a nice man kind . and I was wondering why many many folks do nt want him anywhere near them at certain work sites and he has benn outcast many times . He claims it is persecution because of his standing in christ. now almost a year later I have seen why and it AINT that but he does in fact use that to get out of the mess he makes with co-workers. he is a tricky guy with treats, he will tell the boss to forgive them and he isnt upset at anyone and no problem and do extra work for someone, when they complain about him . I didnt get it I mean he appeared so nice and hard working.... and he often tell his woes in life and shares intimate details of everything that is going on in his life . marriage car problems money everything like he is your best friend. then I saw it he considers everyone his best friend you know and loves everyone and loves God. tries to get information from me and the most i give is I have a fat cat. but it is hard to not engage with him . I saw a woman scream at the boss she will NOT have him sub for her when she is out or ELES! his work is better than most. i saw it the angry mean words on more than one occasion about his friends at work. but you know we all vent sometimes. then he assumed I must want him and consider him a friend and I told him no your not your a co-worker. soemthing in my gut told me this was not right he was up to something ... cant find the words to pin point what im saying. and then he will up the cost and do alot of my work and come to me and ask again and again i told him no . NOW I know he is trashing me to the boss. and checking my work to find errors all the while telling me my work is perfect and he wants to help. the boos loves him and I mean loves him my boss is very lazy and if he can get any info without leaving his chair even if it isnt accurate he is happy and my boss got his job by demotion several times. to me he is a tare.

On my job I was talking to a guy who said he will not ever become a christian because he was told they can not play lotto which is the states numbers game here. he worships budha I seriously do not know how to spell his gods name but the fat dude you know. so i asked him why he so strongly believes in budda (who is dead ) it is because in his country( which is vietnaum) he saw the foot print of budda in the ground that is longer than a man and deeper than up to his elbows. ok then good enough so he asked me what is this holiday for christins and i told him we believe our God raised a man from the dead and he asked he is a king now I said yes our KING . he said that it? I said thats it. they get to be reincarnated for many many lifes and every life they are to be better people he said good people . it was an awesome conversation Sunday is their new year. he is most impressed with budda power which he really believes. i thought for a moment geez they have many many lifes reincarnated and one life raised must seem like nothing to them and the way he said it like thatis it???? it was funny but i think since it was Jesus Christ one life will be enough, I do so hope.

yeah my "kitties were "free" 19 years ago , all I can say is did ya read my motivation in the morning post? so cute? with beagle size turds and a life full of luxury yeah they are cute alright. just one word of advice do not I repeat do not allow animals on the bed EVER! When my youngest daughter moved out is when this mess began up till then they ran from me if I came in the room .. as it should be , then the first night she was gone he sat at her door and cried and cried like a baby and I felt bad for him .. next night at my door then the floor of my room and NOW on the bed both of them hogging all the pillows. how does this happen ? do not do not allow cats on the bed EVER. good luck with the sign and the kitties do it now before you kind of miss the warm place they have in your heart and bed. how does the fur on the sheets no longer matter ? it is so difficult to explain how this happened embarrassing really . <_<

For me it is a progression. step 1 a sweet tap from a soft paw which i can ignore. step 2 head butt which involves bone on bone crashing and loud purring . I can cover most of my body to lessen the blows. step 3 wait for it wait for it she will come out of there for air sometime.. and the cold wet nose gets slimed on any visable skin while purring obnoxiously . step four is the danger zone now fully awake and angry they will begin a row a fight a down and dirty claw on claw teeth on teeth on top of me . this almost always works with the first or second growl. Im up. he is overwieght and she will poo in the tub if the box isnt clean. my life and what motivates me. everyday. talk amoung yourselfs. see picture on left to view one of the reasons in full glory. I refuse to figure how my life got to this stage it is what it is.

Cant find one? just one testimony frrom anyone? all you smart folks who claim to be learned can not come up with one snip from one post claiming VPW raped them. Not a distraction I promise I thought that was is the point of greasespot to tell the horror of the vpw and how he raped and molested. all you smart folks and no one can do it? speaks volunes in and of itself action louder than words and all . lol

Prove your point just find ONE just one testimony in which a victim says VPW raped me. not had sex but raped them Remember it can not be a title just the name vpw no fear of slander he is dead . can you do it ? i really do want to see it, I think everyone does.

I read your snip waysider so were does it say it was vpw?

you do not have a hard time sorting thru my posts you like to twist what I say . ex said she had regrettable sex with vpw . She is the only one on this board only testimony that says his name and tells her story . she doesnt claim rape as far as I hear it she claims eeeewww and I do not blame her . she was not a minor child nor was she attacked and forced by her account. yes i read of certain titles (the one waysider snip in this post ) that some woman say they had sex with, i see no one eles name vpw. . or use any names at all. the man is dead good point so why not say his name clearly? you say "regular bases" but Show me just one other please. sexual misconduct is not rape nor is it child molestation . just because many years after having sex with a guy you decide that was astupid idea and I was used as a pawn doesnt make it illegal. or even the next day. wrong maybe but not illegal. just one that names vpw as a man who raped them . can you do that? clear enough ? never the less you do not have a hard time sorting thru my posts you like to twist what I say . ex said she had regrettable sex with vpw . She is the only one on this board only testimony that says his name and tells her story . she doesnt claim rape as far as I hear it she claims eeeewww and I do not blame her . she was not a minor child nor was she attacked and forced by her account. yes i read of certain titles (the one waysider snip in this post ) that some woman say they had sex with, i see no one eles name vpw. . or use any names at all. the man is dead good point so why not say his name clearly? you say "regular bases" but Show me just one other please. sexual misconduct is not rape nor is it child molestation . just because many years after having sex with a guy you decide that was astupid idea and I was used as a pawn doesnt make it illegal. or even the next day. wrong maybe but not illegal. just one that names vpw as a man who raped them . can you do that? clear enough ? never the less yeah ok I tried to edit some lol.

you do not have a hard time sorting thru my posts you like to twist what I say . ex said she had regrettable sex with vpw . She is the only one on this board only testimony that says his name and tells her story . she doesnt claim rape as far as I hear it she claims eeeewww and I do not blame her . yes i read of certain titles (the one waysider snip in this post ) that some woman say they had sex with, i see no one eles name vpw. . you say that but Show me just one other please. sexual misconduct is not rape nor is it child molestation . just because many years after having sex with a guy you decide that was astupid idea and I was used as a pawn doesnt make it illegal. or even the next day. wrong maybe but not illegal. just one that names vpw as a man who raped them . can you do that? clear enough ? never the less

potato I do not have to remember a thing vpw and I are not to many years apart in age . my situation was many many years ago . and I never said anyone had weakness of character ????? I said today they can name names today as in if you say vpw raped you say it ...they can but they do not . and they can make police reports today . if the person is still alive . specificly i was referring to the snip waysider posted.. in which only the word region leader is written rather vague. one I do not even think that is vpw he was never called that and two why not press charges now? show a police report. as I said before whether the DA would prosecute is one thing but you can always report a crime . that is how the catholic church got busted after years of past reporting . did ya read it? Ex! where have you been? helllo I remember crying that day like it was the end of my life, now so many years later with grand babys and a full house i think everytime one of my children really are being to emotional rmember the day you cried about that! I used to think they would come into my house when I was at court, maybe they did twi made me paranoid it did those days right after vpw death were a TRIP! and greaspot is the only place i talk about it.

Indeed troubled youth from dysfunctional families seek shelter, to belong, to be safe. One of the most difficult jobs of a loving parent is to direct our youth into positive paths. I see so very many situation and groups that want to lead young minds searching for idenity away from a positive constructive life. it is a scary time for all. In gangs some asume it is all young people calling the shots NO many gang member have been in for 40 or 50 years and sometimes run their orders and "love" from prison itself. Parents belong grandparents belong it is a community we had a woman who went to prison she is a famous "community leader" for using money from drugs to build her mutimillion home. She knew her grandson never had a job yet accepted money from him for the house she is 80 years old and gonna die in prison now. Yes I think people like to control other people life for some gain folks do not do anything unless they get something from it. and so many are searching for love with single parents amass and people unemployed and all the ill of society eveyone wants to belong to something that will give them hope for a better life.

Getting involved with the way was not a popular thing for many. it was a cult then too. I was M/A i do not know about you rascal butwhen the branch leader tells you you can no longer speak to any believer go to fellowhsip or associate with anyone in the way it kind of has a way of helping one dismiss the importance of what the group was or is. But I do not blame the way any more than I could blame pawtucket for what people say and do on this forum. I am not defending any man or woman, i do defend truth tho. always will . My relation with the Lord Jesus christ didnt begin with twi nor did it end with them

yeah uh waysider I already said that for myself in the post ! snip and clip but do read what is written !

Can you show me who or what thread said VPW gave them a drink.... I thought she said it was a region leader do you just assume it must be VPW although no names are given? you think each and every post here is the gospel truth then. what are your standards of accountability Rascal ? clearly every post you write is on a personal level nearly always directed at what you personly think about a poster , sooo Rascal what standard is it that gives you accountbility to any of theses posters... also how do you know who is the evil one when no names are given in the testimony ? thank you for your time Pond Can you show me who or what thread said VPW gave them a drink.... I thought she said it was a region leader do you just assume it must be VPW although no names are given? you think each and every post here is the gospel truth then. what are your standards of accountability Rascal ? clearly every post you write is on a personal level nearly always directed at what you personly think about a poster , sooo Rascal what standard is it that gives you accountbility to any of theses posters... also how do you know who is the evil one when no names are given in the testimony ? thank you for your time Pond