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put them to work??? ok I was a supervisor in a large facility, and sometimes we were forced to hire "day labor" from agencys that had the roll from the welfare . they stole. they showed up late, they left when they wanted to, they sat all day long. and I mean sat and refused to wrok. we just couldnt have it! the employees who had to work with them refused to work with them. employees have drug tests to get the job, labor folks no way and they drank and they got high and they sat and they claimed they were one person and really another.. COME ON! no business wants to be responsible for their showing up to make the already troubled day much worse with their "labor. No way would I put them on a countyor city property to "work" they will get injured and now be able to SUE the taxpayers . free legal service for the poor (paid by the tax payers)and they cost the city millions in court fees and legal fees for ONE lawsuit alone. um NO !!! they then can sit on the system untill they win or lose the case in court which is years long... NO NO NO. WE have had two cases going to supreme court in which a woman had 8 children in foster care and now going to jail again pregnate with her 9th child. All are disabled and high needs children.. the jugde ordered her on birth control. it is going up in the courts!! the civil liberties are fighting it tooth and nail. Im glad I do not want the state to force birth control BUT what is the solution? you can not make people support their self much less the children they produce.

How do ya make someone work who doesnt want to or just will not? With children it is difficult. they can provide day care and maybe the parent will work for a minute, then they do not. poverty is NOT abuse nor is it neglect, we can not and should not take children away just because the parents are poor. even if it does turn into some form of neglect, just where and who do you think will raise and feed and care for the kids? the foster system here is worse in its abuse of finance than welfare, and the kids coming out are very ill prepared for life and have little to zero support . that ends the very day they turn 18, so a baby is a ticket to a home, again for a minute.

notawayfer is in customer service and that is everybodys issue with customer service. everyne wants something for free. I once had a guy bring a grill back in novemeber that had been used al year long and now he is telling me he wants his money back because it isnt the kind he wants. Im looking at pieces of chicken meat on the rack and seeing rust on the body and he tells me it has always been broke and welll customer service sucks. i am an awful customer now, after been in the business end of people and the problems they have. maybe notforwafer can refer the people who can not pay their taxes to some agencys for consel. a list could be compiled of agencys willing to help those in need , red cross or a salvation army or welfare # can at least calm the situation and allow them to focus on another avenue. he may have lost his job for a good reason I tell ya alot of nutty folks out there in society.

I do not like to go to work day after day week fter week year after year. But I thank God I can Who wold chose welfare? I do not believe anyone really would, granted some comunities are so poverty stricken with the crime and illness and abuse that surrounds poverty who would chose to be poor? no one. everyone wants a better life for their children. poor folks love their children as much if not more than those with income levels that meet higher standards. being poor is not abuse. they just do not know how to get out, poverty is a trap. like over eating or drinking a life long learned thing and difficult to shake. I am thankful for work, and i do not get a large pay check nor do I live in any type of comfort zone.. most families are just one or two paychecks away from homelessness. I have blamed the poor when i was ignorant or just tired of working and getting no where, but I wont now or ever again. i am thankful to go to work and try to be a part of something other than worry and frustration and all that not knowing what tommorrow will bring. IN NY we do have limits a person can only get assistance for a total of two years in a life time.

code tags??? anyways I do not understand I really do not, . they arew friends, they are christians, they want to be good decenty folks, WHY do they have to fight? Mark fired dan, John S. fired mark. what the heck kind of example are they? the bible says they are to be examples they compare their ministry to the men in the bible yet they do not set a very good example in their own life. why??

When it all goes well they do boast at the ministry they built!! when it goes to crap suddenly it is about satan , the idea of the spirit causing trouble is not a new concept, just as far as God gets the glory for all they have done that they puff up about and collect money for , maybe in the same amount satan should get the blame for the sin they perform. seems about right. This ministry claims God needs people(them) to perform their majestic takss and of course they are the ONES! WEll I submit satan as a spirit also needs people to perform his taks and they are the front line in that areana as well. funny how it couldnt work that well seems like the theory of how important one is depends on how they operate as humans only works "sometimes" when it is good for them.

yeah. It is hard to be humble when you have the correct and well researched answer for every question ever. they do, spent their entire lifes making sure they have the fix it answer for all. But you know what? Jesus christ asks us not to carry a "script" in life. He ebbs and flows with our mind our thoughts our loves and our hates.. He is HUMAN!!! and the bible says not everything is written that happened, even in the short life of Jesus. so how can these men think they know all the answers or will figure out one for sure? ego and that is what the people want they want answers to the questions life brings like why? If a man or a organization was able to provide all the answers even via the bible why would we be asked to seek the LORD? but it is nice to be a know it all( hell yeah I enjoy it myself) and idiots like to put the responsibility of the relationship Jesus wants on someone eles's say so. no pesky searching as the bible says we are to do. see they do have some truth , and it saves work for everyone who will trust their stuff, so put this verse in here and that one in there and viola answer for ya!!! again Jesus is left out there where the desk work just isnt. I think Jesus Christ is MUCH MUCH BIGGER than a man today but the coolest thing is He gets man, he gets how the temptation is to be like God. but he is successful in fighting off the temptation and the bible says He is the only one capable of always obeying the Father. when people seek men to be as God many will begin to play the role to "serve" them. I think this began with the whole Christ in you concept and men blew it way to large ,they got so close to understanding Christ and the role He plays , they began to forget He was the ONLY ONE without error or sin. and sin doesnt matter , because we know him! Jesus is not a people pleasing lover. it does matter we ALL matter. in this group the world got small, to small and easy to manipulate. Until christ in His majesty shows us all who is indeed KING of KING on a throne given by God not men.

on a good day when everything is ging alright and no one is in trouble or hurt and life is fine. I say "lets all pray, and think good thoughts together and analize the circumstance to understand we all get sad sometimes". Then Real life happens and I cant aford the prescriptions so popular to help with such a dandy mood, and I realize. crap life is difficult, those good days have turned into moments and LOTS of folks betray one another, and actualy you know what PEOPLE HURT ONE ANOTHER ON PURPOSE! so then i wait for the good day or the next relaxing pill or bottle and say let us think about why people are MF, and digest on just why they cut you to the core could it be a bad child hood??? naw not now i realize I can not change or predict what people will say or do next. But the fact remains to stay in any type of goodness i need to say the evil that OTHER people have done to me and to others. polly anna died , the rose colored glasses broke and im telling on every freaking buddy! feel sad for me ? ok your feelings belong to you and they aint changing mine . spend your life trying to figure out why a person screwed you over or someone you love, but sugar coat it and it will be fine . not my freaking world in my world i get angry . oh no ! to me being angry about the state of people and how we can and do hurt one another is worthy of speaking and not denining. why? because it is real life. to me . the fatasy world of which you speak is not one I want .

i know it can be dangerous work, when one claims to speak for God He does listen. In revelation it says if anyone changes the words of the lord they will be punished. I think it does say we can honor many different roles in life as worthy of Gods calling to us to worship HIM only. I pray I can be good use in this world, in the mean time I do what I must and keep praying.

the topic is suffering i cant communicate with you cman youmake no sense in your writing to me. try sirguessalot.

yep Jesus is King, and He will hand over His kingdom for God to rule one day when death is destroyed. In the kingdom it will be God and Jesus Christ , Jesus will be our KING then when it is over Jesus will hand the kingdom over to God. but he will still be Jesus christ our messiah . this will take some study on your part. Indeed the lord did win a ong time ago. But not all will believe it.

the Lord is Jesus Christ and God did set him on the hill in Zion as KiNG . He did appoint HIS king for the people . in fact he is "king of KINGS" Jesus Christ always does his fathers will .

it has nothing to do with feed back I think they were threatened to be sued.. if they keep promoting it from people who got damaged from it and took it on their advice. it is all about safe guarding the money.

so how did you get to know him?

God by His own rules can not Stop Satan ,today, we gave him rulership (adam did in the garden) thus we needed a Saviour from his rulership. hence Jesus christ but it is a fight Satan is a power also and while he may not be able to hurt God he did kill his only begotten Son. and we are in harms way as well so a plan is set forth with choices for us to chose whom we will fight the good fight with. today God has the limits that adam chose for mankind when he ate of the tree and jesus is trying to make a new kingdom where the enemy wont be such a problem. BOTH of these men made FREE WILL decisions to obey God the father or NOT! ?SEE?? God did and does give us all free will and honors it. no God is not responsible for satan being able to destroy his creation that was the first adams choice to allow him to influence him and we all have had the problems since. but some day if we believe God raised Jesus christ we can live in a place that does not these issues. namely the kingdom when christ returns to rule . It is the first adams choice that brought all these problem on mankind and it is the second adams redemption(jesus christ) and death that will destroy the problem and take us into a new world kingdom without these issues. God has made Jesus christ KING for now in the kingdom UNTILL satan is burned up and done with. WE need Jesus Christ to defeat this enemy , He is the only one who listened and gave up HIS LIFE in obedience to God so God allows him the safety and protection of us now. He knows how man thinks and is how life is he lived with us as a man. it was then and is today today all up to a man the shape we are in. the bible is not a short story. if you believe Jesus christ is God this can be confusing for you, i do not.

yeah and as i was telling exin a pm , this has been coming on for awhile God has been gently telling me for some time these guys are selfish and kind of mean and self serving. on one tape Mark said if you life isnt where you want it to be it is because "maybe you didnt organize it enough" i had a broken foot, lost my job ,bills were mounting up and no way to go get a drink of water unless i crawled and NOW they say my life isnt organized enough. must be why things really really sucked for me! i believed them too. i cried i really cried i was loking for some hope and found the reality that he thought it was because i wasnt orgainized. nope still not orgainized but "God is seeing me more and more everyday in spite of it all . that tape stuck with me for a long time as a ear mark of what the hell he would say off the wall , and just plain hurtful and i paid for them!!!!

I understand how people can think that and I can know it is also idol worship to think Jesus was kicked off the throne because some woman decides to cat fight with another and the men who love them freak out on the whole AFFAIR!!! it is hysterical business fold every single day and no one bats an eye yet becuase these guys peed and the wind caught them in the face everyone is sad? the one glaring thing i remember from the heart ach and it was awful for me as well , when twi shook me to the core was GOD PROVIDED! this has held me for the duration . sure as crap men will sin and God is God . is this such a bad lesson? twenty years later and loving Jesus the way I do no it has been the best lesson of all . their lesson your so used to arriving in the mail or the conference you plan on attending are NOTHING but what you make them out to be. no magic in them , no special annoiting or gift ministry, we need jesus christ and we need to PRAY to God to reveal HIS own will not that of whator whom we grew to be comfortable with. Jesus never had one group he said was his He died for ALL, how much folks limit God when we think the spirit of God is so small it must be stuck inside the twi or ces or some other spin off box. truly that thinking is fear and far removed from trusting God as the one who saves us.

God knows the choices, the options we his creations are given, and He has the Inability to kil steal and destroy even what He created. example satan. the choices we make are our own, like a human parent grieves when their child makes a mistake and doesnt listen God our father also grieves for us and our error in not listening. since his first adam chose to sin it is now OUR option, and God does not control what we do. he loves us and Jesus guides us. they do know what can happen if we play in the street and they do know a car is coming and they do know if we do not move we could die. so do we. and it is our choice to listen to HIM say go away do not do it stop!!! at a certain point people must realize God loves us so much it is up to us to love HIM now. the plan states the kingdom is not in this day and age.. Jesus is not with us in person because He is preparing a place for us to live in that will be safe and no concerns. till then as much as they do KNOW what the road may mean for god or evil it is up to each person to decide which path to take. I think God does "lock up the chemicals" for us. but in the kingdom, not now. Now we need to chose who we will worship whether we will go with the loving God and meet Jesus Christ in the kingdom , whether we will heed His voice then or now is up to each of us TODAY> when we are all safe and no harm can or will come to us it will be to late to chose what life we wanted for or aginst the true God. we can worship who we please it is a choice, today, some day All knees will bow to Jesus christ! but not today today God allows US to chose what will happen by how much we include his will in our life and by how much the enemy messes with our life.

I pray for my children. responsibility for safety for a baby would be the one who has the responsibility to protect them. God protects us , over and over . how a parent decides to protect his own child would be up to their choices. babies die, why we have death is a whole different concept. the bible clearly states death is NOT defeated yet. We are mortal humans. but the comfort is a small child not capable of chosing Jesus as Lord will be in the kingdom if his/her parents pray and believe on the LORD, for him/her. God Wishes and desires and Wants his creation to call upon in and worship him! sadly many do not and rely on other sources for rescue and help, and yet when it goes in a direction that hurts them they blame the very God who gave His ony Son who ever truly listened and worshipped and obeyed HIM to us for help!

right. depends on how you define the word. He gave man free will to chose whom men will serve. God does not know sin nor does he perform evil in any sense of the word. yet his enemy does. He is love. the other guy is not. the choice is for the worshipers to decide in any given moment in time, both are players in the field of life. that is why we needed a Saviour Jesus Christ . who knows what it is to be human and can and does help us and comfort us in the process of worship and obedience, and it is by learning Gods will for our life, the obedience of His ways and manner and rules. that is for today things will change as the promise of the kingdom comes to be the situation will change and at the end of the story line God is given the ruler of all once again by Jesus Christ but not UNTILLL Jesus Christ has his work done and destroys the choice of death for all.

really those still hanging on to this stuff since twi years because of these leaders and the attraction to that...well they wont leave now either. they will just hate grease spot consider us gossip and liars, and now have PROOF STF is from the real God because of the persecution! honestly some of these people are not going to think this is anything of their business, or will find enough warm fuzzys from the men talking to them about "what happened" they will just ignore any other source of information and consider it worthless and not godly. and keep on doing what is comfortable for them.

God does protect us! At least He has me several times! I do not believe God is a Father who forces His will on anyone. and I do believe this is a real time life not some fantasy life we are playing out in a scripted play already known of God. Jesus Asked the father to have his cup removed , Jesus was TEMPTED to make other choices on the cliff by satan. We have a choice. my God is not a dictator, He does indeeed know what the out come will be if we do not supervise our baby, even tho we may know the circumstance and really the danger we may allow that circumstance to happen and NOT protect them. YES it would be your responsibility to protect the baby even with "a teen in the house". as it is God to us but we are NOT babies we are to grow up in wisdom we are to learn the ways of the LORD we are to be accountable to God for what we do and do not do. WE are to OBEY!!! and if we do not somone can get hurt, how is that Gods problem when He is trying and trying to get us all to a kingdom where the problem (satan) is not an issue. your teen refused to be accountable and obey your loving guidance and the safety of the baby , God does not fail to see danger or protect us from it uness we Chose it, the teen put your baby in danger and you did indeed fail to protect him from the danger, by not holding the teen accoutable to obey YOU!!! God doesnt fail ever. but people fail to obey him and get hurt or in situations and blame him all the time. God knows what choices we may have but NOT what we will chose to do in any given circumstance, and the plot thickens and changes with an adversary constantly twisting and turning the plan into something that will kill steal and destroy Gods creation, Jesus is on the job and able to tell us what to do because he knows how we are feeling what we are going through with the temptations and sin, we need to seek His will to really survive everyday from a enemy who does want us to get hurt. if we listen to the source that will hurt us , just like the teen you couldnt control , our Father can only do what He can to teach us and love us He will never force us.

God didnt leave the bottles there some stupid human did . why does it have to be Gods doing when it is often mans own choice to do what they do and suffer for it?

the bible says All will bow to christ. well even moses tried to run from God the bush story and all i do not think it can happen ok ok I got the Rock thing hahahahahaha