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Courage is fear that has said its prayers.

why do you use the word adonai? it is hebrew for God or LORD. do you not like using our common name? or is it to prove you know a hebrew word that many may not in the course of words and you have again the education beyond their typical understanding what is your reason to complicate knowing the LORD?

I used to have problems like this. my solution was I began going to ONE shop for everything and I mean everything. and I kept the receipts. so we built a relationship. you know how they promise a a wrranty on parts and stuff many times have i said wait you fixed that three months ago and I pull out the paper. and if it goes like alot of money i tell them I had somene eles look at it and they said it would cost... but always telling them I will stay with them. at least i know who is kiling me I guess. because if something goes wrong like your problem I can take it back to them and say Hey why didnt you notice this was wrong???? we have competition in this village and they all know one another so I metion so and so said... and i stroke the ego and say but i will always stay with you. well just an idea.

omg. you really do think your better than the rest of mankind . your so good you have to forgive so much.. because you strive to keep the multitude of sin viruses from living in you. you can be an "us" as long as your aware you are better at forgiving , and you keep your sin in check. so what does christ do for you? or for that matter anyone becuase your the one who forgives?? you need a reality check dude. your no more forgiving than the rest, your sin stinks just like the rest of mankind. fall off your self made throne of righteousness and recognize what Jesus christ commands that we love one another and HE is the only one able to forgive anyone for sin by HIS blood. again you slap Jesus and His Authority in the face with your constant competition of who HE is to all creation. All knees bow to HIM , um not you . it is by the very grace of God we can even know Jesus christ yet you write with you list of who is who and I did and he didnt just like the pharasee. you see grace was not given to you or anyone with out a price and the price is not in what you do, it was by the DEATH of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God. your not Jesus stop pretending to be, something you read in a book . He did it you just lie and claim you can to. lololololol

anything specific you want to say to me? just a general insult? yeh cult heads insult when asked to consider their view without one another, I truly get that idea. I donot have the knowledge of how to use color font here I just stick to the black and white. works for me tho . what is the problem bro?

Ham wrote me a pm so EX did you think my reply was about you? he thinks it was. it wasnt you know that right? I do not neccesarily like PMs when misunderstanding occur . so lets ALL be honest. and up front. hmm???

chapter and verse please? give me a break. this mog ideal has to go away. they show up and people turn into cock roaches . where is "YOUR STAND" now?? under their cloak of being the one who tells you how to think and do and be but never held accoutable for the same in their own life? why that would be "causing divsion" wouldnt it? so go to a web site and say it or wonder it . give me a break. such cult heads live here i love you man.

your wrong. your a sheep just like the rest of us. (by your analogy) who do you think your are exactly? some how you got a special power that can now take on your own kind ? YOUR A MAN and a sinner , and by God from reading your post you dearly NEED to be saved. your all about you and your ego by what I read. you do not need Jesus christ now? by your words your on your way by work to being HIM already!!! pretty close a few more won souls and YOU to can be the one who ALWAYS obeyed God. news flash I doubt your mommy was virgin when her and dad concieved YOU. do NOT compete with the LORD. YOU lost . YOU LIVE HERE ON EARTH , with the rest of the lost souls wainting to be with the KING in HIS kingdom. might want to read something about what a KING IS , nope no sharing of the throne in this case. no "co' nothing dear , He did it all YOU just got born into sin and USED his LOVE for you to tell others you were better than the rest of them. good luck with that. your an evil man .

how about writing a book to sell on sex and scripture by JOHN S. yeah he knows what the bible says. it doesnt matter he is divorced or has been guilty of adultery in his own life. you need to learn what the bible says not what he lives and does in life. can you say hypocrit? do as I write not as I do !! NOT A FREE BOOK! nope he has to pay for his bills in life ya know !!!! hmm

The entire bible story is about what Jesus christ did for us. every single bit of it. all this research and word knowledge comes down to this : the victory of Jesus christ over death. it is the story of men both adams making choices to obey God or not. one did one didnt . the MIRICLE of the new birth isnt in the fact YOU did anything , Christ died not you, so now you never will. If you believe He is risen and LORD and KING. you know I think people dismiss this fact all together. Christ willing to die...... dead meant DEAD, He had no proof he wouldnt be a bucket of worms in a few weeks, IT was NOT written about the new birth for all. God told them to wait for the prophet who would save them, they thought a man would come along and become a great leader and they would then be able to rise as the great nation they wanted once again. that is what people still want today looking for a leader to take the people to what they think they deserve in life as worshipers of a god better than the rest. a nation with more powerful than the rest of those who do not know God. do you not get that THEY WERE WRONG !!! and if your looking for the same ideals to happenin life your just as wrong as they who crucified the LORD were wrong??? that is not the plan as it worked out hahahahhaha no man is going to lead you into anything , other than his or her will . IT is DONE the will of God was accomplished by ONE MAN already finished YOU can not improve it or make it happen again or spin it or advertise it anymore. that is why it is such good news.

the stock you had (animals) were like money in the bank today. more sheep = more money . and money has always had its power and say so in every culture since the dawn of time. people want money. money makes the world go around. So the p;icture of the shepard LEAVING the flock to rescue one sheep gone astray show the compassion of Jesus alright He is willing to leave all HIS money (his stock ) the sheep, to SAVE JUST ONE life or one dollar (follow me?) He cares for that one dollar that one worth JUST as much as He does the whole flock!!!!!! it says something alright . it is like today we saying Im going to give you a chance to take my millions of dollars because that one dollar bill means so much to me , I love it so much , I will LOSE it all to get it back God gave up HIS MILLION dollar Son (actualy priceless to HIM ) for a people that had done nothing and indeed quite worthless as sinners. WHY??? Jesus is our shepard He came and got us out of the danger He left the flock to save just one from falling down and getting hurt. here buddy take this dollar bill, and give me a million in exchange and we will call it even. no one really loves that much , that I know , and that is the parable , Jesus is saying this isnt about HOW much your worth to me I love ya man . yes you even if I have to leave All of my flock my worth to prove it.

cows too! I grew up on a large farm and we often had one big old fat mama who would start the trail back to the barn to get milked when the time was close, and sure enough the other cows would look and say HUH??? and follow her! she must have been their leader!!!! na her boobs got full or she wanted some water or she recognized a human standing by the barn and wanted a pat on her fur. it wasnt the Same cow every day either imagine that. IM not a cow. i do not run my life by the survival and needs met. i have a spirit that is alive within me that christ can does teach and love. he loves the cows to IM sure haha

leaders???? of what? the whole concept is not Gods will we are His family, we are a group of personalities and types and kinds that have a common belief in Jesus christ being alive today, in the bible story. friends is the word Jesus uses to describe our relationship. leader is a mans term for a power play. now as far as learning and GROWING that is metioned in the bible. when i was learning how to write on paper with a pencil I struggled and my hand often hurt and it was never just right and I was discouraged with all the red lines on my page from the TEACHER!!!! today 45 years later writing is not a problem I enjoy it I use it as a skill in life and I appreciate all that time and changing of my mind I had to do to get it. I was taught it , I was not LED into it. I went to a differnt p[lace in life because i had the skill . it isnt about being led by a man or woman, it is about learning and obeying Christ as we learn we grow and become bigger to go to different places in life. If i cant read i would not hang out at a book store to much would I? If I hate old folks and think they stink I wouldnt go to a nursing home to volunteer.. we are Not led by mans say so, we are led by our won learning and growth in life. that is learning and growing and we all learn and grow as humans . how and what about determines who we are as an individual, It is written Jesus is the only teacher we need concerning spiritual matters, I believe it!. I do not suppose I am a sheep in any sense of the word either. bah bah I remember from twi a picutre of blazing a trail , of a stuggle of a war of constant difficulty. because you now consider yourself a grad of the pfal class but not a EVEN a christian who can learn and grow from others who love the bible story, a special christ follower. because of the cult mind. not a unbelieving believer what the hell is that??? it is the sense of pride and ego sety up for a CULT to follow men. no dear we do not need to be "led" anywhere to find God and His goodness on our life. Jesus christ is here with us each and every moment he will never leave or forsake you. how does what Jesus promises you compare to the rant vpw went off on about how if He was the ONLY ONE who believed it it woudl still be truth??? all about his ability to "stand". and you bought it and still are searching for the man man enough to stand with you!!! and lead you to the cult world. the greatest man I know ended up crushed and dead for me because He loves me, no the powerful l leader you want isnt in His soul He is such a lover and friend he gave all the people he loved His very LIFE to just obey and TRUST our only God our Father. He was led alright into the glory of being the ONLY man who God could lead into the glorious life He wants for ALL mankind. . He is my leader He is my LORD He is my KING. and He is no longer just a Man!!!! He is our teacher He is our only Saviour. praise God to the highest. take a chance on your leaders.. if ya get to reading the bible story take a poll will ya how many of them did more harm than good??? hmmm

they can sue for legal fee's., the fact many "settle" out of court for a sum is because the legal fee's can mount to a point no one wants to take the chance of losing the suit and paying the legal fee's of both sides of the fight. lawyers sometimes push for settlement because they want the money the have earned and realize if it goes much farther it isnt worth their time or effort to fight,Knowing no one will have the money,or the risk to great they will lose and not get paid, and will tell a client they will pull out and need payment imediately. this is WHY few law suits actualy have a ruling from the law on the books! this is why it is a corrupt system. you do not need money to sue anyone, if an attorny believes he can win the case he will take it and demand a percentage of the money they will get from the suit as payment for his work.

God has given us the bible with instructions on how to live in the manner that would please HIM for OUR benefit, not HIS. He is LOVE, He created man and has been trying to help us live in the manner He desires for us to live every since then. We do not Help God. I find that hysterical. we can have a relationship with God , we can worship we can ask for what we want . the bible says our needs are already met! what is the problem now? got one WHY? o it must be God needs us to figure it out and plan a plan and tell HIM how it all went while He sits on a cloud and says hmm good job . that sure enough is a twi mind set to the hilt! feed the ego? feel better? well better than that un believer anyways?? YOU did good or better than that guy !!! what a joke your religous mind is. At the last supper they had this same conversation and asked the LORD who will the greatest in the kingdom and He said those that are a SERVANT of the rest. love is the only answer God and His ONLY begotten Son has ever ever had. Jesus christ doesnt NEED YOU any more than YOU need anyone you love. we love because He first LOVED us. I believe God knows what He is doing and we as His people Need HIM . you play with the old stale idea of YOU to can be like God!!! or in the very least take the credit for what the LORD has accomplished by His own self. but but if you do not have an agenda what will you do? howwwill you lord over others? How will you feed your ego or stroke your guilt by a good deed or two in life. did God raised you from the dead to ? must have missed that sorry. hey now Im all for doing the right thing and a good deed or two in a life time! I just know that is not what saved your life from the fire nor will it EVER be without the sin that so easily happens to every man or woman. and that sin is why Jesus died dear it is NOT your goodness why He suffered for YOU it was your sin . so puff up and glory in your good works they are not a bad thing just not what the bible story is all about in its amazing glory of a very very LOVING Father who watched Jesus be killed BY those who thought they also where the best worshipers of God ever. it was the leaders and do gooders who hounded Jesus like a dog for His willing to LOVE beyond what they could do , with all their education and titles and law abiding they ending up trying to plot the murder and dismissal of God only Son able to obey HIM in spite of the pressure and ego driven idiots sure they had the ability to help God. the works of Jesus completed any will of God to be done . it is finished NOW we can have a kingdom without trouble or death etc... it is DONE! the fellow labor is in our own life we labor with GOD as in He is helping us on our side laboring with us to keep tryin to get life on track with HIS will for us. the labor is in Us changing and being more Like Jesus in obedience and LOVE , He labors with us . It is all about what YOU need to be blessed and happy not GOD or Jesus christ!!! again i believe they got it all over on what to d and how to be seeing as one created us and the other was handed a crown to our KING !! God doesnt need you He loves you. the fellow labor is saying He is the game with Us, He wont give up He will keep trying to help us he will labor with us. FOR US!

God is concerned with what we are doing every single second of the day and night (and any time in between we may not be aware of yet!) In fact He says we will be accountable for it on a very personal level. EP you mind ST and its board of directors business more than your won because it takes the focus OFF you and your relationship with the Lord in your life. It in fact puts them in the position of being a lord in your life. this is the ONLY part I do feel sorry for them.. people like you want and need and desire them to be so much more than they can ever be. they are men, just like you, remember the Apostle Paul saying that? what does that mean? even a apostle of the LORD said Im so screwed up I would rather die than not know Jesus. so worship these guys all you need to to focus on their flesh and what they want , but take heed to remember the man who wrote the holy scriptures said he would be better off DEAD than without Jesus. As long as you compare you own life to men you can find error and problems with them and stroke you own self into thinking YOUR not so bad after all. the standard is Jesus the Christ of all mankind not stf or its board or even the work they have done! be concerned with HIS Board of directors and it may very well be a face your not familiar with or one you cant "talk" about with any knowledge of "how they are or what they have done". Look for Christ and HIs Glory today , do not wait for the judgement day when he can tell people you NEVER EVEN KNEW me . it is the religous folks He will say that to not the unbelievers. they are men. stop making them try to be more for you, they know they are nothing more than screw ups like the rest of us, please stop putting them in a position to explain to YOU their life, you didnt save their life, and you do not grant forgivness and YOU will not be the one they will be accoutable when all is said and done. it is folks with your attitude that feed the beast, for the insanity of religous crap. WHY do you NEED stf so much? where is Jesus christ in your life. did you box HIM up in that little white building at the "home office"? I think NOT.

o for the LOVE OF GOD!!! your really a piece of work EP! #1 on my list of your wrong is I do NOT forgive you for your sins!!! NEWSFLASH AGAIN IM NOT JESUS CHRST!! this is the root of the problem al these mini jesus people running around capable of what only ONE MAN HAS ALREADY ACComplished and succeeded at! it aint YOU me or the other girl or guy. this is satan pure and simple, speaking to your mind. he has brought your mind into YOUR OWN self and what YOU HAVE DONE and built shame and guilt to the point you feel BAD about being a son of God, he has told you it is all about you and what you did or didnt do and shame shame on YOU! so now your not even good enough for your own Father who created you. and jesus weeps, and remebers his body hanging and dying for you to know HIS love. What eles can he do to help you understand HE has done it we are all ok now . if you need to change some behaviours in your life then CHANGE THEM!!!! but leave what MY LORD has to say to me to you to all of Gods creation alone.. because He simply says I love you so much I always obeyed God( it wasnt a easy ride but your so fun and my brothers and sisters) I left this earth and tok a HUGE risk thinking you would be ok and IT WORKED!!!!! yeah it is a CELEBRATION. IM alive!!! Im here with you every step of your life come what may LOOK LOOK what God Did for all of us because i obeyed till thevery end and the DEATH of me God made good on His LOVE for all oif us and NOW HE promises we can no longer DIE! do not be sad my brother, it is ok , I love you says the LORD of all . why cant it just be enough for you? why do you struggle so much? did the enemy discourage you so much that what Jesus christ has finished and now claims as a victory to be celebrated is a lie? then please do not tell me He is your LORD.

Holy Spirit is difficult to explain but easy to be entreated. When we doubt our own spirit we run into trouble, knowledge of how this spirit came about for God creation( the bible is a huge but not impossible to understand volume of the instructions of how when who etc. about a father and His ONLY begotten Son doing what needs to be done for the creation) it is finished in the sense the story is DONE. why we do not live in the kingdom NOW is a question I have had for a long time and have never found an answer for, never the less the bible has its account of past present and future. Clearly even a person new to the story of a Risen KING and a saviour of mankind, must recognize something "different" it is the holy spirit within. we are called before the foundation of the earth was built, God knows the number of hairs on our head at any given moment. Jesus says to come as a Little child. the bible story is not beyond understand and once told indeed quite simple to understand. it is about a fathers love for His children and a Mans (both adams ) choices to trust in God, or not. it is a simple choice. The PP stuff is just a complicated religous thing people spin on about , religous folks have complicated God and His love for His people since time began. God doesnt reject his children becuase we get into a mess or because we want our own way or because we refuse to trust or listen, because He loves us and Jesus does indeed understand us, He works within the prisons we SET up for OUR OWN SELF. iT DOESNT MEAN IT IS EVEN REMOTELY hiS WILL FOR OUR LIFE. Spirit is spirit and like each person personality or hair color or size it is each persons RELATIONSHIP with His LORD< a LORD who has nothing but love for HIS body , we became His body because He died for US> and God granted him such majesty. it is NOT OVER us, it is US! do you FEEL the difference?? that is the love of Christ that is the spirit within. Christ laid down HIS life for US, so now we are HIM and HE and the Father are one. these are not mystic statement we can not "get"> or that take years fo research to understand . it is simply God loves us beyond what we can carry or obey So Jesus christ took the load for us. when anyone starts telling me IM not good enough or God says blah blah blah I say go straight to hell, BECAUSE it is the primary focus of God that HIs people get saved from any trouble including DEATH> people do not want to hold that. they want the drama and excitement and power of complicated crap , because they can feel and see that stuff. and they can play at "being Jesus" YOU NOT JESUS!!!!! it is a con to the fools who wont listen and refuse to obey. Who obeys??? only one and it aint me or you!! never has been nor will it ever be. uh oh do not want to hear that do you? this is nothing new it is how we tend to be with the influence of evil and sin, Jesus is NOT complicated the story of OUR life is simply one of love. Jesus Christ is our hero. put away the cape with the pretend super powers you have had since you were a child and NEED HIM to be YOUR Father once again Need a brother who loves you and will help you and you will find the common BLOOD we all have called a spirit within, you will know the body of christ as well as you know YOU! Twi influence will say to you God needs you. makes you feel powerful doesnt it? with a purpose now? a reason to live??? special??? uhoh now we start the cycle of abuse. pfff ! God CREATED YOU ya think he can muster up the ability to save us to the uttermost? Get back to the idea that WE NEED GOD not the other way around. bottom line God loves all of US, Jesus is the only one who obeyed enough to please God, THEY are to be worshiped and praised. we are commanded just to love them and one another, it is all we can handle and for the most part we tend to fail enough just with those orders./ do not worry the story has been told plenty, and it is FINISHED. life is just a piece of cake now!

"I do not think you could handle it well". reads like : Im ok with you not being as good at enlightenment as me. one thing the off shoot folks HAVE learned and changed is how to put a spin on the arrogance that is for sure. it is now ok to be less than and unable as long as you understand they are more able and can do it. no more shunning for them eh? the beast has grown into a super beast with better knowledge on how to insult and degrade with the smile . twi didnt do pity to much, Ces has absolutely NONE, but they have a spin that SOUNDS like they might as long as your in YOUR proper place and they theirs. one up and many down of course.

i realize im talking to myself now and im answering my own post. how sad yet consider this I am also sadened about the mess this group has gotten into. but God does speak to each heart and this is what I think about it all. truth vs tradition has turned into a political agenda. it isnt that I say well the bible and its verses do not matter to me after forty years of study obviously they do matter to me. it is the fact the polictical areana they have made for themselves has now eaten them up into a very small box. i think the knowledge on that site is good, but I also think it is just knowledge , God is about his children Jesus is about loving us. when knowledge is used to hurt another it realy isnt much worth is it? how by pushing people who may not have the twi research and money and years spent at the cost of innocent people , of "research" in their history. this doesnt make them less than nor does God love them less. nor does God love these guys more(although I believe John S. thinks he is special ) and a few others. we mesh our life with what we do, and they have worked many years doing this. big deal. one sinner saved is where God rejoices. the person who finds cures for our illneses search and works many many years for what they have done, for the love of the work and the know how and the learning of new ideas. God loves them to and we do consider that noble. cult heads have a difficult time getting over the wroship of these men because the bottom line on why is we think they must know more than us they have more knowledge of God because they have had to study the word . the word and nothing but the word remember? i think many like John S and JOHN Lynn have been in a prison all of their life and no way out of it. they never took the courage to trust God to begin something eles they just kept up with all they ever know in life. no risk at all. and they didnt start anything they just took the scraping of twi and kept the pay roll going. is it bad ? probably not. but it isnt so noble either. kind of sad really. really very limited. but those of us cult heads have a need as they have a need, we were brain washed to think this is the only way to know God. crap we are all in the same boat here. please do not think they are not in a prison, the walls they built around this not only fed their ego and all what we got from the cult but also the pay check and do not fool your self in thinking they are not like everyone eles on earth who needs must be met by money. it is apowerful force. and these guys KNOW nothing eles . cough EXCEPT Mark who had his own business but still craved the power over others by playing jesus . it is a attack on many fronts and very very enticing. it is a cult mind set. they really believe as those who follow them even from a distance believe that they have special powers from God and need to tell others and make some money in the process . do not dismiss your own reason on why any other group may seem WRONG! look at why? is it really all about the doctrine then? what good is that? we often do not agree with our political leaders so we change them in our society no big deal, but with this group becuase we think God has endowed on them some special powers we do not go to that place of chance. of risk of change we do not even consider it. and we are stubborn about it, as Paul claims all the religous folks were in his day. Jesus chrisrt is about freedom, He is about loving us and us loving one another. jesus is a simple guy with a simple agenda. the complicated crap stf put out is all about them fixing the world with their super human powers... it is a cult head. i

exactly the focus is doctrine. they worship their own thinking about what they think the scripture may say beyond the love for people and the service of the people. they really began the strife and division. Jesus Christ is an able teacher, all can and will learn His way. the side tracking and wars and strife and division brought on by who is right and wrong again hits my LORD hard. God is about love . Jesus does nt say make sure the word study has every single reference and book knowledge you can think of he commands we love one another and we love God first. the idea that being right and correct and precise in this group is their mission. how does this compare to how Jesus loved and had compassion for his followers and people? He healed whores and people who wouldnt be allowed in any community because He LOVES people, not because he had a chance to teach them a new spin on a bible verse. doctrine was NEVER his focus. i the people Jesus agrued with were the leaders who thought their religous script was the ONLY way to go and they thought every one eles should be condemed if they disagreed or did different. they had it in the rightness of the words they proclaimed the doctrine was very right YET jesus didnt like them for their attitude of the doctrine coming beofre loving one another. keeping the sabbath etc. the leaders knew they had jesus onthe doctrine and jesus rebuked them because they didnt get the grace of God or the love of God He knows . it is bible worship and an idol . the idol is the study of the words BEYOND the very grace of God and the pure LOVE and mission of the Risen Christ! the spin is the focus is no longer about the fact Jesus is able and LOVES and serves but what YOU know in your head about this word or that verse or that chapter and so easily is it used as a club to beat Gods child down into a type of submission to men. a very small box indeed , but it works because in America we tend to honor those who claim a superiour knowledge of anything. we give more respect to money we think education is wisdom. it isnt. groups like twi and ces claim to be victims because the rest just do not have the knowledge of God they have attained hence they are considered a cult and a victim of those more stupid than them. it is pure arrogance. and it is the very attitude that makes the grace that Jesus Christ died for worthless. funny thing tho when they need the grace man do they now quickly claim oh oh yeah we see an error here so it is going to have to be the grace that we claim to cover for me. but untill that happens here your wrong IM right and I got this bullet of a verse I can apply to prove it to you right now! it is a cruel system of abuse and when one knows enough bible verses very effective against those just trying to love one another andworship God in the peace that Jesus p[romises us. I want you to notice these leader will not (i do think they are afraid) discuss bible beyond what they consider truth they just dismiss the idea as wrong and move on to those willing to also worship doctrine and heady knowledge. In mainstream churches YOUR right the foucs is NOT doctrine because Jesus says He will teach each one of us with our OWN HOLY Spirt within, it is about loving and caring and serving one another .. something CES leaders have HUGE issues with, why because the areana isnt all about head learning of a book (satan has been very learned in scripture as well) and they must show and DO the love of God... without thier years of trianing to take a verse and cause division or strife or one up manship and they stay far far away from that!!! that isnt their gig. they LIKE having doctrine issues . it feeds their ego of being right and so many wrong. Is this How Jesus loves us?

we are not instructed to build anything. what the heck are you talking about? It is the BODY OF CHRIST! The Christ is a SPIRIT , jesus was a man , he didnt build anything, He was murdered by those who wanted Him to, people wanted something they could see , touch, agrue about who was better and time and time again Jesus told them it was wrong thinking about the Father. You want an idol you want an idol. You can build an idol people have attempted to do so for a very long time and it has caused nothing but problems for them. God is not a man or a group he is a SPIRIT, His ways are beyond us. Jesus taught us hwo to worship and communicate with this Spirit who created men, His instruction and commandment was to love GOD and men. why do you complicate the simple love of God to reach for some work that will NEVER ever be able to SAVE anyone from death or give them eternal life? not that it hasnt been tried and attempted by many before you including those who crucified Gods only begotten Son! why do you think Jesus Christ isnt good enough to be our KING and you must somehow beef up your efforts as a man to compete with what He claims as a Victory already done ? He is a KING KING OF KINGS. stop fighting for the throne , stop thinking you can buy or work your way into the kingdom, to meet Jesus Christ or to help people Jesus DIED and God rasied Him from the dead. hello your still here and YOU need a king with eternal salvation to get you out of here, so read romans again and confess Jesus as LORD... stop trying to be a LORD your own self. or to other people. our helper is the LORD. you can not be like God... no matter what idol you attempt to make , and the only one who is even close is Jesus THE RISEN Christ and He said IT IS FINISHED! you sound like a cult . a man made idea of who is who and how to . scrapping up the gold pieces to make a calf. because you need to worship only what you made or can do. not me. God is real and is to be worship in SPIRIT and truth, Jesus is my friend and asks NOTHING of me to recieve the body ONLY HE was able to raise from the dead by HIS OWN love for us. stop telling me Jesus isnt good enough and you need to do more, you want the worship only Jesus Christ was granted by God almighty.

yep that is the attitude alright. If they can not convince you , then they dismiss you completely. and if you continue to discussion beyond thier boundaries set in stone, they will attack you on a very personal level. Even friends they have for their entire life and folks who have worked for their agenda are not spared the cut off when it messes with their attitude of self righteousness. how many organizations, or groups can honestly operate like that? nothing can get done in the real world of communication or justice with that type of bully my way or the highway attitude. why cant they understand ? because they believe they are better and closer and more in tune with a god and this gives them the super power they live off in some fantasy world they have created all for them. hello ????????????? Jesus Christ was NOT an outsider nor did he rebel against communities, He saved them and helped them and truly loved them. he NEVER dismissed anyone . but you have your own throne to sit upon that you define , that is fine do it. Just leave God who loves all of us out of it!

i think we do. people do not stay if they do not enjoy this forum. what are you saying in this statement? conflict or discussions make you uncomfortable? you want everyone to agree on everything? no i wouldnt enjoy that as much ! can you clarify your idea ? what would help you enjoy this forum?

i find it so like twi. God isnt good enough or God is not enough to deliver His people once again :people can mess up his efforts to help His creation. Because they have that much power bigger than God even. poor God what will He do now? a real loser your God . He goes about claiming to be a God but his own creation can stop him from any effort to help! how sad. and not my God or Lord Jesus christ He already won every battle even DEATH !!! what mockery you people get into you claim God is so small and unable to deliver because once again IT IS ALL ABOUT YOU!!!! and what YOU do!!! or dont. give me a break Im glad I do not know your weak and begger God so dependent on YOU. I rejoice in a Saviour that has been all and is all I will ever need to know how to worship a true loving God , His father and mine. again you slap and crucify the KING of KIngs and compete for what God has already honored HIM with on the throne of the most High. My god loves and protects me because of HIS works not yours thank you God. and as if He doest know Im a sinner it is written and YOU know what? that is exactly why he died or was murdered by those who are so afraid of His righteousness they needed some for their self to claim they had the job of saving all. keep trying to save yourself, in the mean time i worship the LORD God and grow ever so thankful for Jesus christ who pleased HIM as the ONLY begotten Son and what He has done with NO mistakes or Sin able to stop HIM!! while your god is stumbling around being wounded by the mistakes you make (even tho it was so good out of heaven hahah) My own claims a victory in Jesus Christ!!!!!