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He killed them? as in murdered them? now that would be a good reason to leave the way if I ever heard one! wow that is sensational, details please!

to rent a home or an apartment her it is common to have them run your score . I do not have a problem with it although I do see how some could be discriminated against. but maybe they should be. I also use easy pay and the thing is if I make an additional payment in the month of ANY amount the easy payment will not go through and again they can get me with finanace fees and late charges! I am in debt the average american is over 2000 in debt that is alot when you figure in how many do not even have any credit card, this is only credit card debt. mine is over that now i was out of work for a yer and lived on my card, try not to do that! i am determined to use credit only for emergencies i can not afford now like a car repair etc. I will not "go shopping" and pay later. many family memebers have gone bankrupt my nephew is only 21 and just filed, i do not know it seems stupid to do that extremem measure but these days it is so common he even put his electric bill for the enitre year in the bankrupt notice. i hate using cash it seems i never have enough with me. I never thought it would be this much of a challenge to go to the bank get bills and pay for stuff, but im trying to do just that. previously i ONLY used my card for everything.

We have authorities, animal control and they act in the cause of animals and are granted LEGAL rights for the animals. they are sworn in by the town and state to act in authority and yes absolutely NO warranty is needed to remove an animal. here it happens all the time. sometimes they give a ticket or a warning and then the owner has to go to court and the judge decides but mostly they can and do remove all and every animal in the household not just the one being neglected or abused. we have winter and if a animal does not have a certain amount of outside protection and it is a LEGAL amount of shelter or if the water is frozen they will and do commonly be taken without notice. also in the summer. for heat same thing if the animal does not have water and /or food they are taken out and the person given a ticket to go to court to face the charges. we have the news say when we can not allow the animals outside. my friends dog bit her roomates boyfriend as he was beating her in defense and the dog was put up for adoption. In her own home by a man who was beating a women. it all happened in less than a month she had no chance of getting him back without lots of money. the police took the dog and the man he got his charges dropped but the dog is gone now. she could of fought it But the jail cost over a hundred a day not to metion the court costs . serious stuff here.

yep and if you do the class you can now feel better and not have to deal with the pesky guilt or condemation you may very well deserve. your all better, in fact better than the rest! another reward for you!

people do very hurtful behaviours and never does another recognize what he does, lie, cheat stealing is so very common place in our world. these are "sins" or serious problems no one can point a finger at and say hey they are this or that and different or even wrong. some live their whole life without any degree of accountability to God or their fellow man. I dare say many and only a "few" humble before the Lord and at least try to live in a fashion that will LOVE instead of hurt. so in the judgement who will be called on to explain a person born into a body that is promised to be whole and healed in the kingdom or those who knew different , never "got caught" and now stand before the Lord? I think those who chose to live in a manner contary to the LORD better check their own life and its worth, before they judge another for how it may appear today. All knees will bow, and some of these folks have a surprise on what the LORD knows as all truth . we may not know the facts of why this or that TODAY but the LORD does and the day of grace will be over one day , hmm i better look in my own yard .

In NY animal abuse/neglect is a felony charge. We also have the law of the death penalty, if you get three felonies you can be sentenced to death. I would guess a large farm with many counts of abuse convincted would be up for the death penalty if prosecuted as such! so yes the life of an animal is more important than a human life in NY.

the kingdom of God is not here yet and is not in any sense of the bible there for the taking. Do you just make stuffup that make you feel self righteous? the kingdom is Future , Jesus is still preparing it for us and the Hope of His return is to get rid of all the trouble and probems we now deal with. your arrogant and pompus attitude has never worked for any man or woman, it cant change a thing or any circumstance. what bible do you read? you do not do you? if your going to play at least know what the heck your talking about. that just makes you look like an idiot who spews made up phrases .

your question "did I abandon God and his household?" I pray to God to serve and I work in human service , But I also think I am not doing enough. it had a plan for us , twi did , dear God did it have a plan .. it is so much easier than thinking and deciding for our self with the LORD to trust isnt it?

it is like parents who live off the fact their children made the fourth grade honor role . God love isnt conditional like people can be. He is love. the fact the bible metions how someone looks remember in class how vpw said he got dressed properly and cleaned up to meet the man of God??? um no I think it is just the guy dressed and had little to do with who he was meeting. how do they inject what they think and blow it up to worship men? little ways. like that. now every one has to clena up and dress in competition with the rest. the fact the bible talks about a person stature is interesting.. some small some big some this or that... and many not at all perfect.... I think it shows God recognizes we are a people with differnt looks and abilities.. and i to think a real tragic even in my life changed it for the better. no I wouldnt wish my drama on anyone BUT I would not go back and NOT have it happen if I could now and most would freak out with what happened to me. God lves us right where we are at in life mentaly physicly and in every way possible. all these teaching teach how to worship man in his own image.

I think it has to do with dealing with failure. I bought an idea that it could change the world and make me super duper better than the rest "believer". well it did make me a believer, but what I took so seriously was all about me and what I could do. It made Jesus christ so small even God was told what to do in twi. I do not have regrets because I grew more in many ways of who the spirit is in my life because I no Longer have the people pleasing and polictical agenda of a group. but I do have wishes unfullfilled, I wish the fantasy of what these groups try to make happen could happen now. but it can not. the third heaven and earth , the hope of the returning christ to rule it, all of the FUTURE stuff I have learned is where I now am. it isnt going to happen today not until we get rid of all this world offers in the context of sin and death etc. We want a better life the life Jesus christ was raised to have us live in. but we cant make it happen now no matter how much we try to work it... it just isnt available.. heh heh. we want love we want acceptance we want basic needs of all flesh, and we think the magic formula is in these groups. it isnt it is truly in the HOPE of a better place and life. To turn our eyes onto what Jesus has in sight means we have to lose sight of what is here with us each and every day, and it is difficult to say the least. it is a great loss of a dream, and of course compassionate people will feel grief i think that is normal. to be a part of something so BIG so Special So powerful is the lie.. we bought it , and then found out by the very grace of God at the end of the day we are no different than the rest of humanity hoping for a differnt life that is not filled with the issues we ALL face. the idea of seperateness is one I think that hurt people involved in these groups folks begin to sperate so much from life and living on its terms in their mind it takes the "leaders sin to slap them into the reality I too can have problems that are serious and hurtful!! it makes people afriad when the leaders are the ones they have thought they should live up to as examples. it makes us doubt our own ability to make it through life. to find out your just a normal joe is no big revelation (truth is always on the inside) but when the leaders can no longer hold onto the fantasy life it gets frightening . Our risen Saviour hung alone , and knows the aloneness of obeying God. he did fix the situation just not yet . till then I love when ever I can and pray a great deal for all of us here waiting for a better day. the spiritual life is a personal thing that is on the inside and so exciting we want to share it. and we can , but we must remember it has its own life not one we dictate or wish for.

word wolf can write better than me. it is a good thing. Ep what would happen if STF fell off the face of the earth no more of them around they didnt happen? God doesnt live here EP. sorry bro but countless men through the ages have tried to work their way into the very Grace Jesus FREELY GAVE US as a gift from his love for us. end of discussion. it makes money to run programs generate tapes and hold seminars you get to live tax free and accountable to only those they chose to be. just like you live. in REALITY world God is our God and even if we have to live in a desert for forty years He is still ABLE> but they wanted to go back to EGYPT . WHY?? because it was safe there it was what they knew as home it was where they had relationships and life was easier than believing God would indeed send His blessing every single day. go back to EGYPT all you want it doesnt change the fact I am living in the promised land of deliverence from men who play jesus and hurt Gods beloved.

Let us remember the loyalty and integrity of JOHN L. and JOHN S. after they were fired from twi , talk about kicking a man when they were down hahahaha I have a tape that John S. confesses his adultery and sexual sin want to hear it??? paper on adultery talk about hypocrits!!! they gossiped and rode that train for all its worth!!! you jumped on didnt you? one cult to another.. they slashed all of twi and now you want integrity and compassion??? hahaha looking for a job or what? hear tell they have openings! your agenda or hopes of condeming one for speaking the truth about your buddies fail because what you ACCUSE is EXACTLY the very foundation of how CES BEGAN!!! hahahaha

cool send a movie link I want to see this!!!

yeah sorry I cant resist EP What would the holy God who created the heaven and earth do without you to clarify all the mixing up, people get into?? hahaha "over a long time" yeah your buddies, cant kick them when they are down you all need one another to stand up much??? defines a cult dear. haha no one really believes after all hmm? haha just your circle of what you think and who you think you know. you pick and chose what fits into your agenda clearly like STF. and the atitude bro the attitude has to go. love who YOU chose is good enough, and quickly dismiss all others(no not me I could care less what you think) keep your checking in.. bro.. just in case . hahaha you really believe they are THE most high for God and dare I say ONLY ones who have the truth still dont you? lol the real world is fun to. not nearly so drama ridden tho sorry. hahaha

haha it doesnt make any sense either, Moses took the people to the new land and who PROVIDED? they didnt stock pile anything for 40 years... Every day God would provide the food and water. it was a every day thing they didnt "prepare" at all. the woman with the son who fed the prophet her last food was provided for.. not because she went nuts storing up food , the food was gone and none was available. When jo and the king stocked piled up for the years of lean God provided YEARS of good to do it with!!! some on this site still think they have these magical powers to save the world. I find it hysterical .

i do not need to forgive you. nor do I seek your forgivness, it is an internet forum hello. why is that important to you you seek others forgivness? cant say i pray for to many forum users tho sorry. I like people and the Lord myself. all and all and everything sounds like you do not have much room left over for relationships with folks you can see, feel and understand and youknow agrue with or something. Is it is easier to love fantasy ? ex what the heck is that exactly? is it a link? didnt work.

I think when it comes to a handicapped child or an illness that is long lasting , twi made promises they couldnt keep. I know of a family that wanted so badly to believe their child was going to be "normal" and twi had the stock answers that fed their own denial of the situation. times have changed regarding the handicapped I think society as a whole is becoming more accepting of the fact we need to do more, but in the 80's it was still not common to have a dr. say a quick do not have any hope type of answer and that was that. people needed to hear hope and twi gave it to them thinking or believing they would be healed. and then i saw people leave those who were more needy maybe sick or handicapped in some way and tiw gave them the righteous Godly reason to walk out because they had a higher purpose now . that always shook me up. if your had an illness they LOOKED for something you did wrong and it often ended up in you giving more money or giving up a pet or a job, a spouse, they decided it was the cause of the symtoms with the devils. and something eles happened that still frightens me to this day and christian groups in general: the forgivness part of it just didnt matter what happened in the past not at all your now a son of God with all power , do not speak of the past your good and basicly we do not ask just come into my home and my life and my fmaily and be considered ok as long as your running classes and doingthe busy bee for twi. it attracted peopel with serious mental health issues peoplewho had NO where eles to go.. people who had comminted crimes and had problems that they needed to feel guilty about. twi made a home for them alright, and the bible said they were healed ,and no one would confess any different about them, esp. if they had in with the LC and they often did because they would work for free and be available. they even believed they were ok no matter what the type of hell they were playing out amoung the people and families, continuing in dangerous and nasty things it didnt matter cause God said they were great and forgiven ..so no metion of THAT problem. it got to be dangerous.

is he embarrassed about the spider hanging from his nose? he looks a little flushed.

maybe they have been sued. the fact is if they have a waiver they are thinking something could go wrong and they could be blamed, in a court of law. and it weeds out those who do not want to comply from the get go . not suppose to have issues with leaders ya know. and even if you do well hell no they cant be held accountable to anyone or thing for YOUR issues. they are right your are wrong and do not show up if you think any different.

ok I do not do many "topics" please say something if you wnat to look.

I do not think illness is sin. It isnt Gods will for our Life but that doesnt make it sin.. we are made of dust, it is written our time is short here on this earth. why would God make such a big deal of the HOPE of the kingdom to come if He didnt recognize our suffering here and now? why would we need new bodies etc. God knows we suffer. and He has made a great deal of promises for the days when we will no longer suffer and when those who have died will be alive again. our bodies are limited today and the love and compassion of God is very close when we suffer with the death and dying of our flesh. the hOPE of better days is what is the focus of Gods heart NOT the condemation of those who love Him. rascal I hate it to.

so you cant answer the ? hmm. not surprised now start insulting and degrading. and dismiss all together. stale man very stale been done by cult heads for years hasnt it? I really cant wait till the end of the class.

Actualy it is from the bible . not pp. I do not do pp. what does the bible say about all men? does Jesus say he EVER trusted them? um nope. see the problem is you cant just use the bible for when it works for your agenda. it is truth or it isnt. stop twisting it. God view is soemthing about the state of man and it aint good. in fact He says we are evil , and Jesus will never trust a man. LOVE oh yeah baby but never trust your insight or works or anything you say. and once again for you guys it is all about people pleasing and who is who... your right I do not know anyone on this forum.. I just know what they write and that is what I address. for you if you know them you can and will and do make excuses on just why they must be "special" better or more than the rest of mankind God speaks about.. yeah that is typical cult thinking and group crap once again. cant live without can ya?

so what happens when a person doesnt obey you? or doesnt agree with you? oooo I know I know they get insulted and dismissed. kind of a stale routine by now isnt it? try answering a question first o not that must be dismissed because YOU refuse to deal with those lesser thans and so easily dismiss them. where is all that famous forgivness you boasted about right now?

This might be in the wrong forum thread. I was looking at the internet and all it has availabel for a person to do "research" . word studies back in twi day met I had to buy these huge books with very small print and work my head till it hurt. today we have the internet and it is so great with this type of study, and much soft ware has been made to help with what the bible may say. we didnt have this in twi . If a person really wants to study the bible we can now learn what that word really really means... do you think this will make the groups like CES and twi less able to sell the stuff they generate and maybe Mark had the right idea when he thought it should go to a church model? I mean for the money sake alone it would make sense. fewer people will need to know now, if you really want to know it is only a click or two away and no need to join in one of these groups, so the appeal must be more and better to keep selling right? what do you think?